Andy Y Posted July 4, 2015 Share Posted July 4, 2015 It was nice to get an acknowledgement in said BRM article, having had a bit of correspondence with the boss over the 43s and preproduction shots of the models. There will be a RMweb resource on class 43 details including livery timelines according to the article. I've seen the livery Gannt chart - it's very good - and accurate as far as I'm concerned. I'm guessing Andy will post that in a separate thread. Neil Thanks Neil and thanks for your kind help! I've linked to the chart here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/?p=1943122 Stovepipe, I did a lot of trawling to look for 43s on various branches and I only recorded the lines which seemed to have significant or regular usage at some point in their lives. I could have included Exeter to Waterloo on the basis that they occasionally appeared (along with occasional freight workings onto S.London metals) but that could have been a touch misleading as they were more remarkable for their comparative absence on such routes regularly worked by Class 42s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted July 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) I can see the difficulty in what to include and what not to - most photos were taken at large stations, and comparatively few at the extremities. But there are enough photos out there, to convince me at least, that the Devon and Cornwall summer trains were NBL worked reasonably often. I completely agree about excluding W'loo - Exeter though, and other outposts like East Usk, Barry Docks and Hither Green. The livery chart is very good by the way. https://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffsimages/8155662878/ Edit: this shot might help with getting all that roof detail on. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lombardstown/12526372154/ Edited July 4, 2015 by stovepipe 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) Thanks Neil and thanks for your kind help! I've linked to the chart here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/?p=1943122 Stovepipe, I did a lot of trawling to look for 43s on various branches and I only recorded the lines which seemed to have significant or regular usage at some point in their lives. I could have included Exeter to Waterloo on the basis that they occasionally appeared (along with occasional freight workings onto S.London metals) but that could have been a touch misleading as they were more remarkable for their comparative absence on such routes regularly worked by Class 42s. I have been told that the Southern Region had the good sense to forbid their drivers from passing out on any diesels built by North British! They were certainly rare birds through Axminster and I'm guessing that any appearances were accidental and driven by WR men. John Edited July 5, 2015 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2015 D840 is useless - D840 is useless ....... Being D865 I pre-ordered D835 as well but now I see these locos look D849 so despite being D861 my D846 resolve is D838ly crumbling and I can feel a D850 and D839 D853 of a finger hovering above the "pay" button. An order D845 placed means D842 shall arrive in D855 as D857 I go on to D844 times ahead due to the D839 growth in my collection of these D836 locos ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2015 Your eulogy reaches a Powerful climax. (Down "Bristolian",14.10. 1960 ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 I can see the difficulty in what to include and what not to - most photos were taken at large stations, and comparatively few at the extremities. But there are enough photos out there, to convince me at least, that the Devon and Cornwall summer trains were NBL worked reasonably often. I completely agree about excluding W'loo - Exeter though, and other outposts like East Usk, Barry Docks and Hither Green. The livery chart is very good by the way. https://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffsimages/8155662878/ Edit: this shot might help with getting all that roof detail on. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lombardstown/12526372154/ That picture of D853 at Canton, looks like it as a Bachmann driver ,in the cab. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 5, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2015 D840 is useless - D840 is useless ....... Being D865 I pre-ordered D835 as well but now I see these locos look D849 so despite being D861 my D846 resolve is D838ly crumbling and I can feel a D850 and D839 D853 of a finger hovering above the "pay" button. An order D845 placed means D842 shall arrive in D855 as D857 I go on to D844 times ahead due to the D839 growth in my collection of these D836 locos ! That's name dropping!!! Hee hee Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 5, 2015 I have been told that the Southern Region had the good sense to forbid their drivers from passing out on any diesels built by North British! They were certainly rare birds through Axminster and I'm guessing that any appearances were accidental and driven by WR men. John The "Voiths" were not signed by Salisbury nor SR London area men meaning they should never have turned up on the LSWR main line unless west of Salisbury and driven by an Exeter crew (or possibly Newton Abbot if they signed that road). They did however make very rare appearances at Basingstoke from the Reading direction so have graced SR metals from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 6, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Anticipation rises - but there was always going to be an issue.....hopefully this is the only small one! Scrutinising the BRM image of 842 in the area of the nameplate and barbed wire Jimbo and I noticed something isn't quite spot on - are both the nameplate and double arrows over sized? Look at the margin around the actual name on the plate on the model and the line on which the top of the name itself finishes compared to the pinterest picture of the same loco And the barbed wire isn't symmetrically placed on the body side between name plate and solebar as it appears on the model - its off centre towards the name plate. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/68861278@N03/8548527936/in/photolist-e2prwG-4yntoV-4wTPPJ-85hcam-dByFfc Of all issues this will be easy to correct and certainly not a major problem for those of us indulging in renumbering and renamimg Are etched plates supplied Andy? Phil Edited July 6, 2015 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I can see where you're coming from Phil although it didn't strike me too much when photoing the real thing. Are etched plates supplied Andy? Sadly not, I know it would have added a few quid but it'll be a visit to the Shawplan stand when I find the right loco to change it to (in a ratty state of blue - the 43s seemed to fare better in this respect; less visits to Laira?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 6, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Yes I rather think Mr Hanson will be doing some very good business with these. Thanks for that additional shot Andy - it confirms what we thought, pass the Model strip. Many will be happy to live with it am sure, its certainly not the end of the world. As for the better preserved state of the 43's paintwork perhaps all the oil down the bodysides helped! Phil Edited July 6, 2015 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2015 Interesting. I've already bought "Royal Oak" Extreme Etchings plates from Shawplan as I'm not fussed about renumbering, but will they fit over the top or will the printed nameplate still be visible? I had this problem with several Bachmann 42s, most recently 32-050DC 809 Champion so don't want to fall into this trap again. So if the printed nameplate will still be visible on 842, I'll wait and see if 865 in maroon is any better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2015 We have just shared your D809 problems as we have put etched plates on one for someone else. And yes I am afraid you will have the same issues - havent had chance to look at the D865 maroon version yet Having said that dont be afraid of modelstrip - it really is - to quote Alexander Orloff - simples! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2015 We have just shared your D809 problems as we have put etched plates on one for someone else. And yes I am afraid you will have the same issues - havent had chance to look at the D865 maroon version yet Having said that dont be afraid of modelstrip - it really is - to quote Alexander Orloff - simples! Phil Thanks, but won't modelstrip remove the blue too? That's what I want to avoid. Happy to varnish but not touch up the blue round the outside of the etched plates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRUNFOS Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Thanks, but won't modelstrip remove the blue too? That's what I want to avoid. Happy to varnish but not touch up the blue round the outside of the etched plates. Gentle rubbing with a dry cotton bud works a treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hi Andrew It doesnt! Is an alkaline paste and as long as you only leave for a short time - say 1 hr - it will selectively remove the tampo printed detail without touching the base colour This is the one http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=model+strip+paint+remover&qpvt=model+strip+paint+remover&qpvt=model+strip+paint+remover&FORM=IQFRML#view=detail&id=718BCA2F33F78C03D4E3A4BD4AF9F90FB86F0D6F&selectedIndex=2 Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted July 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hi Andrew It doesnt! Is an alkaline paste and as long as you only leave for a short time - say 1 hr - it will selectively remove the tampo printed detail without touching the base colour This is the one http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=model+strip+paint+remover&qpvt=model+strip+paint+remover&qpvt=model+strip+paint+remover&FORM=IQFRML#view=detail&id=718BCA2F33F78C03D4E3A4BD4AF9F90FB86F0D6F&selectedIndex=2 Cheers Phil Hmmm.... Have you looked at some of the images that link brings up !!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hmmm.... Have you looked at some of the images that link brings up !!!!!!!!!! The thing that surprised me is that the vast majority involved products intended for removing paint............... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben04uk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Anticipation rises - but there was always going to be an issue.....hopefully this is the only small one! Scrutinising the BRM image of 842 in the area of the nameplate and barbed wire Jimbo and I noticed something isn't quite spot on - are both the nameplate and double arrows over sized? Look at the margin around the actual name on the plate on the model and the line on which the top of the name itself finishes compared to the pinterest picture of the same loco And the barbed wire isn't symmetrically placed on the body side between name plate and solebar as it appears on the model - its off centre towards the name plate. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/68861278@N03/8548527936/in/photolist-e2prwG-4yntoV-4wTPPJ-85hcam-dByFfc Of all issues this will be easy to correct and certainly not a major problem for those of us indulging in renumbering and renamimg Are etched plates supplied Andy? Phil Which numbers are suitable for use on the BR Blue model for those of use who intend to renumber, which would be prototypical for this particular version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Do you mean which locos or which tranfers? For the earlier blue locos with the seriffed numbers we use Fox transfers number sets http://fox-transfers.co.uk/warship-class-locomotive-running-numbersets-58847- For locos before 835 you want the A set, for locos after 834 the B set There are no number sets I am aware of for the later sans serif numbers - again Fox do individual numbers http://fox-transfers.co.uk/pre-tops-d-prefixes-numbering-detailingas do railtec, who also do both the early style shedcode stencils and also the later oblong stickers. Have suggested to both Fox and Steve at Railtec that number sets in sans serif font would also be very useful - Steve will make up any set you want to order however. Which loco? Use Andy Y's very useful livery gant chart and pinterest gallery links in post 2 in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/ What to watch out for? Fan grilles rule out 862. Otherwise its the ventilation holes in the headcode boxes, the rainstrip immediately over the drivers door and position of OHLE flashes that distinguish different locos. MU cables changed with time although were largely absent in blue days - and then theres headboard clips t check too Any idea which name you might fancy? Extreme etchings (Brian Hanson) plates are superb - and if you change the headcodes Precision Labels headcode characters are the dogs whatsits No connection with any of the products mentioned other than satisfied user! Phil Edited July 7, 2015 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben04uk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Do you mean which locos or which tranfers? For the earlier blue locos with the seriffed numbers we use Fox transfers number sets http://fox-transfers.co.uk/warship-class-locomotive-running-numbersets-58847- For locos before 835 you want the A set, for locos after 834 the B set There are no number sets I am aware of for the later sans serif numbers - again Fox do individual numbers http://fox-transfers.co.uk/pre-tops-d-prefixes-numbering-detailingas do railtec, who also do both the early style shedcode stencils and also the later oblong stickers. Have suggested to both Fox and Steve at Railtec that number sets in sans serif font would also be very useful - Steve will make up any set you want to order however. Which loco? Use Andy Y's very useful livery gant chart and pinterest gallery links in post 2 in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100805-brm-august-dvd-detailing-kit/ What to watch out for? Fan grilles rule out 862. Otherwise its the ventilation holes in the headcode boxes, the rainstrip immediately over the drivers door and position of OHLE flashes that distinguish different locos. MU cables changed with time although were largely absent in blue days - and then theres headboard clips t check too Any idea which name you might fancy? Extreme etchings (Brian Hanson) plates are superb - and if you change the headcodes Precision Labels headcode characters are the dogs whatsits No connection with any of the products mentioned other than satisfied user! Phil Thanks for the reply - I mean which locos would be suitable. I too prefer Fox Transfers. You've ruled out 862 but what numbers is the Bachmann variation suitable for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted July 7, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2015 Was trying to encourage you to do your own research there Ben! 840 & 848 are out too as they went for scrap in maroon but all the others were blue Are you prepared to go back to the early blue livery with 4 arrows, one under each cab? That's another factor Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG 7305 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 One more to add to the never blue group, 838 Rapid withdrawn in maroon with FYE, one of my favourites at the time. Note to Bachmann, please make this one of the next batch. Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Thanks for the reply - I mean which locos would be suitable. I too prefer Fox Transfers. You've ruled out 862 but what numbers is the Bachmann variation suitable for? Use the chart as Phil has said (that's why I did it for people); it's easy enough to look up what locos carried which specific livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb860 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Hmmm.... Have you looked at some of the images that link brings up !!!!!!!!!! Quite liked the look of the mud strip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now