Mike at C&M Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Do they need an orange cantrail adding. The answer strictly speaking should be yes, but it will be hardly discernible in 'N' The picture is a detail from a picture by Dennis Taylor, licenced to us for advertising purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The answer strictly speaking should be yes, but it will be hardly discernible in 'N' These look really good, and despite being a million miles (well, several hundred) from my main modelling interests, I'm very tempted to get some - I've always had a soft spot for this livery! However, I really would say you do need to insist on the cantrail lining on this. The lining features on all the other Dapol mk.3 releases I've seen so far, so not only would I say it is not "hardly discernible", it is in fact conspicuous by its absence! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 However, I really would say you do need to insist on the cantrail lining on this. The lining features on all the other Dapol mk.3 releases I've seen so far, so not only would I say it is not "hardly discernible", it is in fact conspicuous by its absence! A certain gentleman who has been involved with this project through its' development has contacted me to say that despite the narrowness of the line, it can easily be done, if I mention this to his former employer when I report on the amendments I require to the livery samples. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Better to have the cant rail than not , I think, Regards, Stu in OAKN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I too am impressedThe Dark Executive Grey looks to be correct, as the earlier (darker) shade was usedNone of the ScotRail livery coaches ever had the later (lighter) falcon grey that was applied to those in INTERCITY liveryAn easier comparison would be with the Dapol InterCity 125 HST power car or InterCity125 coachAs for the cantrail stripe, I have checked numerous photos and it is only slightly visible when coaches were cleanHowever, most were not clearly visible due to the levels of dirtMy only concern is the ScotRail map in the toilet windowsIt is too plain and as a result is more noticeable as missing the mapEqually, these were applied as stickers on the outside of the windowsPerhaps this would be a better option as a transfer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbandlmrg Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 All the photo's I have show the Scotrail livery coaches with Orange cantrail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Superb so far - order now placed for 2 sets......... But, how easy would it be for the manufacturer to change the plastic they use for the glazing from clear to a slight tint? i can perhaps predict problems in that the door droplights werent not from memory tinted and i dont think the glazing would be in say 3 parts ie; two ends in clear and the main central section in tint so as a compromise i could live with the whole coach being tinted given that the tinted windows are in the majority. that would really set em off for little if no extra cost.....same mouldings just different raw mats. unlike the cant rail referred to earlier, the tinted windows are only too obvious in those proto pics. the silver surrounds would contrast nicely too. i take it the roof variances have been discussed elsewhere at length ie; Dapol only make tooling for the HST cars not loco hauled? Edited October 2, 2013 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
valeofyork Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 i take it the roof variances have been discussed elsewhere at length ie; Dapol only make tooling for the HST cars not loco hauled? Yes, you are correct (and it has been discussed at length elsewhere - not financially viable to do the loco-hauled roof design, apparently) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1985 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 But, how easy would it be for the manufacturer to change the plastic they use for the glazing from clear to a slight tint? i can perhaps predict problems in that the door droplights werent not from memory tinted and i dont think the glazing would be in say 3 parts ie; two ends in clear and the main central section in tint so as a compromise i could live with the whole coach being tinted given that the tinted windows are in the majority. I wonder if anyone has tried removing the window moulding on a Dapol Mk.3 and airbrushing it with Tamiya "smoke" paint, which is designed for the tint on aircraft glazing? Don't know if this would work better on the inside face (safer) or the outside (more realistic)? I tried this on the inside of an old Poole Farish clear Mk.2 to get it to match the later BachFar Mk2s that were made from tinted plastic - the result was OK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted October 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 3, 2013 Do mark 3s have a noticeable tint? Surely it's nothing like that on the air-conditioned mark 2s which is definitely worth modelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Hi All, Put my ( future) money where my mouth is and pre-ordered a set today... Mike..did you get the e-mail??? Later, Stu in OAKN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Do mark 3s have a noticeable tint? Surely it's nothing like that on the air-conditioned mark 2s which is definitely worth modelling. Noticeable? Hmm thats very subjective but to my eyes the tint however slight would be conspicuous by its absence if they went with a completely clear window. a quick look at the photo in post#101 a few posts up will reveal a pretty conclusive answer........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruff Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I think the cantrail stripe is a must. The tinted windows would be nice, all IMHO of course! I must get round to pre ordering mine!! Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) The final specification has been agreed: The orange cantrail will be put on. Tinted windows will not be done The colour/finish of the dark grey window band is to be checked. Over the weekend, I was at a dinner attended by Chris Greene,, the head of ScotRail at the time these coaches ran. He too was impressed with models. Nice to get some approval from the top! Edited October 17, 2013 by 87029 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 shame about the windows but good news with the cant rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Dapol have advised me that the ScotRail Mark 3 coach sets should arrive with us at the end of February/beginning of March. Last call for advance orders....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Equally, shame about the update on the Farish 47/7 and DBSO, and looking like a complete rake won't be possible until late 2015Looks like my older 47/7s and Electra concerted DBSO will need to soldier on for a further yearEqually, my two HSTs are still sitting incomplete, awaiting TGS and TRFM / TRSBLooks like one of these rakes will have to compromise with a TRSB instead of TRFM, and hopefully at some point the TGSI had hoped to have all this in place ready for the winter of 2014On the plus side this will release the planned funds (sorry C&M Models) for immediate repainting of the other locos until the Farish items arriveThat just leaves the revised Farish 37/4, which should arrive around the same time as these Dapol ScotRail coaches... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Equally, shame about the update on the Farish 47/7 and DBSO, and looking like a complete rake won't be possible until late 2015 To clarify: the Graham Farish 47/7 is not expected until the end of 2014, whilst the DBSO is a 2015 release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Dapol have advised me that the ScotRail Mark 3 coach sets should arrive with us at the end of February/beginning of March. Last call for advance orders....... Your website says you are shut until the 27th. Have you seen a completed sample? Given the elementry mistakes Dapol have made with the IC executive Mk3s and the Virgin TRSB I am getting a bit twitchy! If this goes OK how about a box set of ICE named Mk3b Pullmans? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 If this goes OK how about a box set of ICE named Mk3b Pullmans? not the craziest idea in the world what with the new farish 87s being released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Have you seen a completed sample? See Post #90 on page 4 for some pictures of the livery samples. The only change will be the addition of the very thin orange cantrail band. We are doing some photographic work on Saturday for adverts, so I shall try and get further pictures posted soon after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thats handy Mike, I will be working back and forth between Glasgow and Sheffield at the beginning of March So I'll probably break my journey and pop in one day to collect, and possibly exercise the card that little bit further. Ive been very restrained these last few months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Currently experimenting with a Dapol Mk3 to tint the main windows. Looking at the above photo of the ScotRail Mk3 the tint looks quite dark in comparison but I think in scale terms if you went that dark in N gauge you would not be able to see into the coach. Will post a photo once all the windows are done but I think its looking quite a lot better for it. On this particular model I am sure the no smoking decals should be higher up on the windows. Edited January 24, 2014 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Currently experimenting with a Dapol Mk3 to tint the main windows. Looking at the above photo of the ScotRail Mk3 the tint looks quite dark in comparison but I think in scale terms if you went that dark in N gauge you would not be able to see into the coach. Will post a photo once all the windows are done but I think its looking quite a lot better for it. On this particular model I am sure the no smoking decals should be higher up on the windows. I think you're right that going darker wouldn't look as good. I think this photo compares quite well to the tinting level you've achieved: 40754 St Pancras by Banbury Bob, on Flickr Edited January 24, 2014 by BR(S) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
valeofyork Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 With regard to modifying the interior of the CO so that it has half first and half standard class seating, has anyone actually managed to dismantle a Dapol Mk3 down to the level of removing the seating without damaging anything? I've just tried and haven't managed it! The roof comes off without problem, but I couldn't get the glazing out - it's in several sections with bars across the top (and part of the same moulding as the windows) holding it in place, and the sections seem to be so tightly wedged in that they wouldn't come out without using a lot of force - I gave up because any more force than I tried would probably have broken them. Admittedly I'm hardly the most skilled at this sort of thing, but has anyone else managed it successfully? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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