bennyboy Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hi Gang, Saw the Blue/Grey set in a local shop the other day.... Decision made.....sorry Dapol...your printing is awful on this one....might look ok next to 56070. Memo to Dapol management...please seek a modern livery expert...there are many within the hobby/industry who would be willing to help for very little recognition or recompense.... Later, Stu from EGDL. They don't even need an expert, just someone who can look at a photograph and knows how to play spot the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted April 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2014 They don't even need an expert, just someone who can look at a photograph and knows how to play spot the difference. Hi bennyboy, In theory you're right, but I know from experience in drawing up and checking (with assistance) livery samples for the NGS snowploughs, QM brakevans, LMS Inspection saloons and Collett BGs that it's incredibly easy to miss things, or get typefaces wrong, or position lettering in the wrong place, if it's not an era you're familiar with. I could see at a glance that the BR double arrow on the first release 58s was wrongly proportioned (they've got it right since) but I would not be able to confidently say whether a GW roundel was too heavy, too light or just right. Just playing "spot the difference" may not be possible if you cannot find a good quality photograph of your chosen prototype. Sometimes you do need to use deduction and intuition, especially with older vehicles, though I accept that isn't the case with Mk3 coaches which are recent enough for there to be plenty of photographic evidence, and living experts still with us! cheers Ben A. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Hi bennyboy, In theory you're right, but I know from experience in drawing up and checking (with assistance) livery samples for the NGS snowploughs, QM brakevans, LMS Inspection saloons and Collett BGs that it's incredibly easy to miss things, or get typefaces wrong, or position lettering in the wrong place, if it's not an era you're familiar with. I could see at a glance that the BR double arrow on the first release 58s was wrongly proportioned (they've got it right since) but I would not be able to confidently say whether a GW roundel was too heavy, too light or just right. Just playing "spot the difference" may not be possible if you cannot find a good quality photograph of your chosen prototype. Sometimes you do need to use deduction and intuition, especially with older vehicles, though I accept that isn't the case with Mk3 coaches which are recent enough for there to be plenty of photographic evidence, and living experts still with us! cheers Ben A. Getting something wrong on a model of an obscure 1940s prototype is understandable, but making a mistake that could have been spotted with a sixty second search on Google is just incompetence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60006 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just received my C&M Mk3's. They're lovely models indeed. The 47 and DBSO should make it an impressive line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted April 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 22, 2014 Getting something wrong on a model of an obscure 1940s prototype is understandable, but making a mistake that could have been spotted with a sixty second search on Google is just incompetence. Hi bennyboy, Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. It's not just obscure prototypes (though of course, obscure can be very different things to different people) but checking anything is surprisingly difficult, as I know from experience. You can correct a dozen mistakes but miss the 13th and then, when it's pointed out, you will find it impossible to believe that you missed it! No one wants these errors to creep in but they do. And I think "incompetence" is a little unfair. Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Apart from the 47/7's. Did any other loco's work these coaches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted April 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2014 Hi Not in a push pull sort of way, but 37/0, 37/4 47/4 and 55 recorded at the helm on no E+G duties. I also expect the Mcrats made a showing but cannot instantly recall. The 37s hauled them on Ediburgh - Oban excursions as did the Deltic - perhaps only once or twice. 47/4 hauled to Inverness and Aberdeen. I cannot recall any southern Scotland work in my little memory ! - but more than willing to be proved wrong. Mind you when transfered south back to WCML duties I guess they left hauled by AC stock- again I cannot recall a picture. Rule one can also apply on your model! Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
porkie Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Thanks Robert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 2 sets left in perfect condition, and 2 sets with paint imperfections at a reduced price. Last chance to buy. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 glad you have almost sold out. good news for those who bought sets in terms of rarity. these will be in more demand once the shovers are in the shops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruff Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 I just noticed that Farish have put the 47/7s in the "due in the next 60 days" section.. I wonder when the DBSO's will appear? Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 According to the interview with Bachmann in the May BRM I would not expect the DBSO this year. The hold up appears to be in design capacity in the Kader group and recruiting enough engineers to fulfil the "too ambitious" 2013 announcements which included 46 items of new tooling across the 00 and N ranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 According to the interview with Bachmann in the May BRM I would not expect the DBSO this year. The hold up appears to be in design capacity in the Kader group and recruiting enough engineers to fulfil the "too ambitious" 2013 announcements which included 46 items of new tooling across the 00 and N ranges. I noticed that on the Farish 2015 announcements thread it says that the MK 2F coaches aren't even in the first stage of production, so I can see it being another 18 months before they turn up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerr Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Mike, Didn't want to start a new topic Now that the ScotRail Mark 3A coaches are sold out and the Dapol Class 156 is imminent, what is planned next? Perhaps make a short list, then put it to a vote? I have been looking at what Farish and Dapol produce Noted you have not completed Limited Editions with Farish, but sadly that appears to be the missing item! A - Mark 2 / 2A in original ScotRail or later SCOTRAIL livery, Farish TSO and BSO (as no BFK available) Class 37/4 in SCOTRAIL livery (optional) B - Dapol Class 156 in original SPTE (orange and black) livery C - Dapol HST with Scottish depot names, and SC prefixes in Blue / Grey or InterCity livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Hallo, what about waiting a year or two.... then D - Dapol HST in the new ScotRail livery as a 5-car pack or E - work with Ben and Mike to have the 321 appear in Strathclyde PTE (if this is not one of the liveries which will be made) my "mustard" to the subject as we say in Germany es grüßt pc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McRuss Posted October 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2015 Or a Class 156 in Scotrail livery of the 1990s, Scotrail National Express and Scotrail First Rail livery. That would be my mustard. Markus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Or a Class 156 in Scotrail livery of the 1990s, Scotrail National Express and Scotrail First Rail livery. That would be my mustard. Markus First Scotrail is easy to do. Get the old First Northern one and buy the transfers from Precision Labels like the unit I have done. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Just in case you are curious what 199 Dapol N Gauge Class 156s looks like, here is you answer. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigP Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) -- Edited January 30, 2021 by bigP Deleted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk Rob Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Scotrail National Express on the 156 works for me Or the green & cream Kyle mk2s Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2015 Just in case you are curious what 199 Dapol N Gauge Class 156s looks like, here is you answer. Presumably one of those is mine!! Looking forward to receiving it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 i didnt see many but know they existed and thats airconditioned Mk2s in blue and grey branded "Inter-City ScotRail". Could be a goer but not ideal for limited editions if folk want to run full rakes. Not sure but they might have been the Mk2f variety which Farish are of course due to release with new tooling soon...... How about an Eastfield (west highland terrier) or Motherwell (leaping salmon) BR Blue split headcode class 37 (named)??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 With all those 26s and 27s produced by Dapol there must be a demand for more Scottish liveries which C&M can exploit (in the business sense not exploiting consumers). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 19, 2015 The new G/F Class 37/4 tooling in Regional Railways livery with Scotrail names would be a nice choice for a follow up. I have an older tooling one that I adapted but next to the new tooling versions it looks a bit ancient. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk Rob Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 My information might be wrong/out of date but I believe a minimum production run for a farish limited edition is significantly larger than Dapol's minimum which I guess makes it much more of a risk for a "small" retailer- especially for coaching stock requiring at least a couple of variants. Remembering the thread on the TMC large logo 37, there are not many options appropriate to the Farish split headcode tooling. An intercity liveried 37/4 that suits Scotland and Cornwell could be a viable option? Looking at the Dapol "Scottish" range, just about all the 26/27 variant's have been offered, especially without the tooling option for the tablet catcher, with significant numbers still available from the box-shifters (although despite the multitude of green and blue 26s, they have not done railfreight since the initial release and only did Dutch as a club trainpack special) I wouldn't dream of suggesting that I understand the retail side of railway modelling or Mike's business in particular but viable options do seem to keep coming back to the 156 Rob (eagerly awaiting my Scotrail 156) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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