Level crossing stupidity...

[Andy Hayter]

But what physical means do you suggest?

poke his eyes out?

cut off his legs and/or arms?

[boxbrownie]

8 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

But what physical means do you suggest?

poke his eyes out?

cut off his legs and/or arms?

It’s a thought, might stop him beating up old ladies as well……if he hasn’t yet, he probably will.

[melmerby]

10 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

But what physical means do you suggest?

poke his eyes out?

cut off his legs and/or arms?

Prison terms on an increasing scale

After say 3 bans it's obvious that punishment doesn't work so a short spell inside.

Caught again, another prison spell but twice as long etc.

He can't drive whilst he's doing porridge.

 

When you see the figures for drivers caught driving whilst disqualified it's obvious that for a certain hard core that bans do not stop them. So why keep banning them?

 

And their vehicles (if they own them) should be crushed.

[Compound2632]

11 minutes ago, melmerby said:

Prison terms on an increasing scale

After say 3 bans it's obvious that punishment doesn't work so a short spell inside.

Caught again, another prison spell but twice as long etc.

He can't drive whilst he's doing porridge.

 

Prison is an expensive solution.

 

May I propose transportation? Being obliged to drive in, say, Russia, for 6 months would be a kill or cure solution, at least going by the videos I've seen.

[Wickham Green too]

11 hours ago, Andy Hayter said:

But what physical means do you suggest? ...

How about an ankle tag that gets agitated whenever it goes within 20' of a car ??!? 

[Hobby]

4 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Prison is an expensive solution.

 

Not if he hits someone whilst driving and causes them life threatening injuries, it's the cheap option then... So do we let him carry on hoping that he won't hit someone, or...

[PhilJ W]

5 hours ago, melmerby said:

And their vehicles (if they own them) should be crushed.

Unless they've stolen the vehicle it should be crushed. 

5 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

How about an ankle tag that gets agitated whenever it goes within 20' of a car ??!? 

He'd have a bit of difficulty even crossing the road in that case. But a tag that notifies the authorities when he is in a car and where it is and what speed it is going would hamper his ability to re-offend.

[peanuts]

2 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Unless they've stolen the vehicle it should be crushed. 

He'd have a bit of difficulty even crossing the road in that case. But a tag that notifies the authorities when he is in a car and where it is and what speed it is going would hamper his ability to re-offend.

untill he rides in a taxi or on public transport ?

[Wickham Green too]

3 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

.... He'd have a bit of difficulty even crossing the road in that case. ....

I had factored that possibility into my suggestion. 😊

[kevinlms]

18 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Unless they've stolen the vehicle it should be crushed.

A car rental company in Australia, successfully challenged the 28 day lock up of an offenders car, on the basis that the particular luxury vehicle was not available for them to hire from a competitor, at whatever price, such was the demand and shortage. So others that had booked this particular vehicle, would miss out.

 

The judge agreed with the company, in that it wasn't the intent of the law to penalise a rental company, but the individual driver concerned. So it's never that easy.

 

Besides a government authority, should always be given an opportunity of selling the vehicle and keeping the proceeds, assuming the vehicle is of notable value.

[Compound2632]

44 minutes ago, kevinlms said:

Besides a government authority, should always be given an opportunity of selling the vehicle and keeping the proceeds, assuming the vehicle is of notable value.

 

In Britain, the law of deodand collapsed, as I have read, when railway locomotives started becoming the instruments of accidental death.

[jcredfer]

HMC&E used to seize items connected with illegal imports, including any cars which were involved.  Any good ones were used by the drug squads, instead of being committed to the Kings Pipe.  Things appear to be somewhat different these days, with what seems like more involvement of the Police in cases, so that may no longer apply.

 

[Fat Controller]

8 minutes ago, jcredfer said:

HMC&E used to seize items connected with illegal imports, including any cars which were involved.  Any good ones were used by the drug squads, instead of being committed to the Kings Pipe.  Things appear to be somewhat different these days, with what seems like more involvement of the Police in cases, so that may no longer apply.

 

Kent Fire Brigade at Eurotunnel's Cheriton site use confiscated cars to practice using their hydraulic tin snips; the vehicles aren't much use afterwards.

[PhilJ W]

53 minutes ago, jcredfer said:

HMC&E used to seize items connected with illegal imports, including any cars which were involved.  Any good ones were used by the drug squads, instead of being committed to the Kings Pipe.  Things appear to be somewhat different these days, with what seems like more involvement of the Police in cases, so that may no longer apply.

 

Essex police use a few confiscated vehicles including at one time a Subaru Impreza WRX.

[boxbrownie]

1 hour ago, Fat Controller said:

Kent Fire Brigade at Eurotunnel's Cheriton site use confiscated cars to practice using their hydraulic tin snips; the vehicles aren't much use afterwards.

They did in Essex as well, we had many an exercise with Essex FB chopping up vehicles with airbags and all for training, with the occasional surprise……no danger though, just a lesson 😉

[melmerby]

2 hours ago, jcredfer said:

HMC&E used to seize items connected with illegal imports, including any cars which were involved.  Any good ones were used by the drug squads, instead of being committed to the Kings Pipe.  Things appear to be somewhat different these days, with what seems like more involvement of the Police in cases, so that may no longer apply.

 

"Proceeds OF Crime" confiscations regularly take place and the items are auctioned off.

The BBC had a series "ill Gotten Gains" and after the proprty is seized we see it auctioned.

 

Rolex Watches, Top notch motorbikes, Porches, Ferraris etc all going for less than normal price.

[Wickham Green too]

2 hours ago, melmerby said:

.... Rolex Watches, Top notch motorbikes, Porches, Ferraris etc all going for less than normal price.

Any interesting model railway stuff ?

[PhilJ W]

Pedestrian crossings should be equipped with these.

 

[johnofwessex]

On 26/08/2022 at 23:33, melmerby said:

Here's an example where our justice system fails miserably:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-62692610

 

Quote:

Dodds, who pleaded guilty to dangerous driving, no insurance, drug-driving and driving while disqualified, was also ordered to serve a five-year driving ban when released from prison and pass an extended driving test.

 

Quote:

The 52-year-old, of Infirmary Street, Carlisle, who had already been banned from driving more than 20 times, then fled the car but was later captured.

 

A driver who has already been banned more than 20 times but carries on driving, gets yet another ban? Why?

Just what is wrong with the justice system? He should be physically prevented from driving, at least he got 12 months this time.

 

 

 

 

I rather like the system in The Netherlands where anyone sentenced to more than 2 years jail gets two options, community rehabilitation with intensive support, or if not suitable or willing, a secure psychiatric hospital with detention reviewed by a judge every two years.

 

I do think though that firstly at some point the State needs to demonstrate its authority, in this sort of case an extended jail sentence and tere are questions about allowing individuals to be repeat offenders, especially into middle age. 

[Fat Controller]

16 hours ago, melmerby said:

"Proceeds OF Crime" confiscations regularly take place and the items are auctioned off.

The BBC had a series "ill Gotten Gains" and after the proprty is seized we see it auctioned.

 

Rolex Watches, Top notch motorbikes, Porches, Ferraris etc all going for less than normal price.

One of the oddest I've seen, at the compound next to Dover Town Yard, was a mobile Chip Van, confiscated after a 'beer run'. There was also a coach where, alongside a full complement of passengers, every bit of aisle and footwell had been packed with cartons of beer. After the vehicle had been assisted off the ferry, more than half the load had to be taken off before it was allowed on to the public highway.

[KingEdwardII]

4 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

every bit of aisle and footwell had been packed with cartons of beer.

Sounds like your average trip from Wales to a rugby international in Edinburgh...

 

Yours, Mike.

[jwealleans]

On 29/08/2022 at 12:53, Fat Controller said:

There was also a coach where, alongside a full complement of passengers, every bit of aisle and footwell had been packed with cartons of beer. After the vehicle had been assisted off the ferry, more than half the load had to be taken off before it was allowed on to the public highway.

 

That wasn't a day trip from a (then) well known Cambridge builder's merchant where I then worked, was it?   It was a customer and directors' jolly and the story was that they had to send a lorry down on the Monday to bring back all the confiscated booze.  Would have been about 1989.

 

 

 

 

 

[johnofwessex]

The Newport Harbour Commissioners Charter was always noted for Sobriety (not) watching the Mayor in his chain being carted up the gangway at the end of the day was interesting to say the least!

[petethemole]

There used to be a short bodied late 1950s Bedford Duple coach parked near my former workplace.  The owner used it and a couple of full length classic coaches to run booze and tobacco trips to Belgium in the days before duties and VAT were harmonised.  After a while it was found that he had extra tanks fitted and was smuggling cheap diesel.

[PhilJ W]

On 29/08/2022 at 12:53, Fat Controller said:

There was also a coach where, alongside a full complement of passengers, every bit of aisle and footwell had been packed with cartons of beer. After the vehicle had been assisted off the ferry, more than half the load had to be taken off before it was allowed on to the public highway.

The boots of many 60's and 70's coaches were not very strong, often just a sheet of plywood for the floor. They were not intended to carry a load of booze and a couple of times the floor has given way depositing the contents on the M2. Many coach operators started putting a limit on how much you could bring back.