A Nod To Brent - a friendly thread, filled with frivolity, cream teas and pasties. Longing for the happy days in the South Hams 1947.

[Trains&armour]

Nice weathering although a bit heavy with the 'rust' I think (on working engines there tended not to be too much of it  - lots of oil, grease, and coal dust about to cover it/stop it forming in visible fashion but it soon appeared as they were washed off engines in store).

 

Overall it's nota bad shape but it's let down by the very strange smokebox door (which is straight out of the original Airfix tooling I presume with Hornby not bothering to correct it).  But as an unsophisticated model compared with the Hattons/DJM machine I reckon that overall it's not at all bad for its period of design by Airfix and would still make a reasonable case for treatment so well treated.

 I think the rust effect is partly because of the artificial lighting used to photograph the model. I hardly used the 'rust' powder, only on the top of the tanks and some on the smokebox. Moste of the model was weathered using 'Track dust' powder, a dark brown. Doesn't look very rusty when I look at it on my desk, but it does seem quite orange tinted in the pictures.  luckily, today is a fine, sunny, day over here, so I went outside to take some pictures in natural light:

 

 

Any better?

[gwrrob]

Something for the ANTB crowd to comment on. A Hornby 14xx detailed and weathered.  (posted with Robin's permission)

 

I'm  planning to sell this, because I want to buy a Hatton's 48xx. I then I thought i might as well do some weathering. No great loss, if it doesn't  work out...

What do you lot think?

 

I thought you wanted the Oxford Rail Dean Goods instead.....

[gwrrob]

I stood waiting to see what was on the rear of the milk train.. But it never quite came into view.

 

 

[Trains&armour]

 

I've got a few more older loco's I'm planning to sell. Do you think I should weather those as well?

 

 

The question being, would it make them better sellers? Your opinion please...

[gwrrob]

 

 

 

 

[john dew]

Hi Robin

 

From your recent status update and other hints, I am guessing you are thinking of adding some Hattons Warwells to Brent? I must admit they do look rather interesting. A perfect time stamp for our period.

 

I was trying to work out the most appropriate load......Hattons make a few suggestions of Airfix kits but it's a fairly limited selection......Cromwells and Sherman's seem a bit dated for 1947.....Centurions would be perfect but the Airfix kit isn't available.

Had you anything in mind?

 

Regards

[gwrrob]

Hi Robin

 

From your recent status update and other hints, I am guessing you are thinking of adding some Hattons Warwells to Brent? I must admit they do look rather interesting. A perfect time stamp for our period.

 

I was trying to work out the most appropriate load......Hattons make a few suggestions of Airfix kits but it's a fairly limited selection......Cromwells and Sherman's seem a bit dated for 1947.....Centurions would be perfect but the Airfix kit isn't available.

Had you anything in mind?

 

Regards

 

Very much so John but there's always a but isn't there.

 

I've been scratching my head and picking Sierd's brain recently for justifying them especially as just one would look silly. A rake would be quite a costly investment if it turns out to be incorrect for ANTB.

 

Various vehicle loads have been suggested and this is the latest suggestion. Bedford made a plethora of different variants and most are available rtr.

 

 http://www.hattons.co.uk/173839/Oxford_Diecast_76QLR001_Bedford_QLR_1st_Infantry_Div_UK_1942/StockDetail.aspx

[john dew]

I agree with you that one would look odd so a rake it would have to be.......same cost as a loco and that's before the price of a load.

 

The QLR is a neat looking model....not seen it before. Not sure how many Command/signals lorries were allocated per division.....MIB will know. Generally though I wonder if wheeled vehicles were routinely moved on rail transporters rather than under their own power in convoys?

 

Trouble is there don't appear to be any 1/76 RTR tracked vehicles available

 

John

[westerner]

I've got a few more older loco's I'm planning to sell. Do you think I should weather those as well?

 

Bachmann 32-202 8750 Pannier01.jpg

Bachmann GWR 43xx 01.jpg

Hornby R2544 King George I 01.jpg

 

The question being, would it make them better sellers? Your opinion please...

Unfortunately it appears weathered models sell less well than those in pristine boxed condition.

[brianusa]

A lot depends on your circle of customers.  The scale enthusiasts probably like them weathered while the larger audience may like them out of the box and squeaky clean, so go where the most customers are.

 

Brian.

[mattingleycustom]

I've got a few more older loco's I'm planning to sell. Do you think I should weather those as well?

 

Bachmann 32-202 8750 Pannier01.jpg

Bachmann GWR 43xx 01.jpg

Hornby R2544 King George I 01.jpg

 

The question being, would it make them better sellers? Your opinion please...

 

In my opinion weathering is probably not worth the effort, certainly not for the 43XX and the King anyway.

Possibly the Pannier might sell better when weathered; I did a couple in BR black a few years back, but then you would have to apply etched numberplates and spend time weathering the thing, so on balance, no I wouldn't bother.

 

Glenn

[Trains&armour]

Generally though I wonder if wheeled vehicles were routinely moved on rail transporters rather than under their own power in convoys?

 

Trouble is there don't appear to be any 1/76 RTR tracked vehicles available

 

John

During the war, warwells and warflats were almost exclusively used for transport of tracked armoured vehicles.  Wheeled vehicles were supposed to  be able to make most journeys on their own. After the war, rules became somewhat less strict, as there were enough warwells and warflat to go round.  But still, you probably wouldn't have seen any ordinary lorries being transported by rail. But high value, specialist vehicles  like the Bedford QLR might have been, to save on wear and tear. 

 

As to tanks, Shermans and Cromwells were phased out of army service directly after the war, although some would have been still around in 1947.  Centurions would have been still relatively rare in this period, the Comet being most numerous tank in use in the late forties. Matchbox, now Revell, do a Comet in 1/76, which, with some care, can be made into a nice model:

 

[Oldddudders]

There are indeed some of us out here who don't like weathered finishes. Please note I do not knock them per se, as many do indeed reflect the way uncared-for locos and stock look - it's not the technique that is lacking in most cases. It's just that the drab realism they represent isn't the fantasy railway I want, that's all.

[john dew]

During the war, warwells and warflats were almost exclusively used for transport of tracked armoured vehicles.  Wheeled vehicles were supposed to  be able to make most journeys on their own. After the war, rules became somewhat less strict, as there were enough warwells and warflat to go round.  But still, you probably wouldn't have seen any ordinary lorries being transported by rail. But high value, specialist vehicles  like the Bedford QLR might have been, to save on wear and tear. 

 

As to tanks, Shermans and Cromwells were phased out of army service directly after the war, although some would have been still around in 1947.  Centurions would have been still relatively rare in this period, the Comet being most numerous tank in use in the late forties. Matchbox, now Revell, do a Comet in 1/76, which, with some care, can be made into a nice model:

 

Comet.C.jpg

Comet-BB.jpg

Thanks Sierd

 

That's very useful............Comets had completely slipped under my radar. Unfortunately the Revel model doesn't seem to be available. There is quite a dearth of WW II tanks it seems

 

Some of the Cromwells were kept in service after the war as "funnies".......flails for mineclearing or bridge layingetc with RE Assault Squadrons....first and only time I drove a tank as a teenage cadet at Arrowe Park.

 

It's all getting a bit of a faff......I really want something ready to plonk.....I will keep digging.

 

Thanks again for the info

 

Regards

 

John

[john dew]

Millicast do a 1/76 Comet kit for 14.50 GBP which looks promising

[john dew]

Millicast do a 1/76 Comet kit for 14.50 GBP which looks promising

[cary hill]

I think a "Night Owl" 47XX passing through Brent, unseen by anyone at two in the morning, hauling some Warwells carrying military vehicles with indiscernible shapes in the misty murk would be the cheapest solution as it wouldn't need modelling.at all.

[The Blue Streak]

Strange that you chaps should be discussing Comets as a possible load.

 

I was going through some of My late Dads photo's recently and founds these.

 

The one on the left is a comet that was Hit by a Train in 1956

The other is just labelled Comet 1956.

 

They Seem to be taken about the same day so either they're different tanks or those REME blokes were pretty good at fixing things in a hurry

 

To Be honest, I don't think the train would have fared too well, if that's how the Tank ended up

 

Edited June 27, 2017 by The Blue Streak

[The Stationmaster]

During the war, warwells and warflats were almost exclusively used for transport of tracked armoured vehicles.  Wheeled vehicles were supposed to  be able to make most journeys on their own. After the war, rules became somewhat less strict, as there were enough warwells and warflat to go round.  But still, you probably wouldn't have seen any ordinary lorries being transported by rail. But high value, specialist vehicles  like the Bedford QLR might have been, to save on wear and tear. 

 

As to tanks, Shermans and Cromwells were phased out of army service directly after the war, although some would have been still around in 1947.  Centurions would have been still relatively rare in this period, the Comet being most numerous tank in use in the late forties. Matchbox, now Revell, do a Comet in 1/76, which, with some care, can be made into a nice model:

 

Comet.C.jpg

Comet-BB.jpg

 

Somewhere lurking in the back of my mind I've an idea that Centurions were out of gauge on the British rail network (although not so in Germany) and certainly all subsequent MBTs are out-of-gauge.

[Trains&armour]

Somewhere lurking in the back of my mind I've an idea that Centurions were out of gauge on the British rail network (although not so in Germany) and certainly all subsequent MBTs are out-of-gauge.

Forgot all about that, but they were indeed out of gauge in Britain. 

[gwrrob]

Afternoon delight. Are these two locos the ANTB favourites ?

 

 

 

 

 

[colin penfold]

Like, but nope.

[colin penfold]

As Steeley Dan might say, FM no static at all...

[Welchester]

They're very nice, but I quite like small engines too.

[The Fatadder]

Now if the castle was the same green as the Hall, then you might be talking...