Irishswissernie Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 That's a lot. I have heard that the DRGW used to run 13 loco lash ups, which I had assumed was quite a lot by American standards. Got no evidence though. Yes they were quite common on the DRGW over Tennessee Pass and Soldier Summit. In 2014 the Utah Railway was moving oil in 120 car trains over Soldier Summit with 10 locos, 5 on the front and 5 on the rear. Not quite impressive as 10 in one lash up but pretty spectacular!! https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/15037148473/in/album-72157648616588950/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/15657297775/in/album-72157648616588950/ Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Yes they were quite common on the DRGW over Tennessee Pass and Soldier Summit. Ernie Here's a Rio Grande loaded coal train climbing the west side of Tennessee Pass. 7 units on the front: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/346594/ 10 units as mid-train helpers: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/280366/ and a final 3 on the rear: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/365720/ 20 units for a total of 55,950 horsepower! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2017 That was 81 do they still have such high horsepower lash ups or is it more tractive effort these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BoD Posted February 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2017 Here's a Rio Grande loaded coal train climbing the west side of Tennessee Pass. 7 units on the front:http://www.railpictures.net/photo/346594/ 10 units as mid-train helpers:http://www.railpictures.net/photo/280366/ and a final 3 on the rear:http://www.railpictures.net/photo/365720/ 20 units for a total of 55,950 horsepower! Is that little orange thing on the back a brake van, just in case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 That was 81 do they still have such high horsepower lash ups or is it more tractive effort these days? The Tennessee Pass line has been embargoed (out of use, but not lifted) for nearly 20 years. Southern Pacific took over DRGW, but continued to use Tennessee Pass. However, after Union Pacific took over Southern Pacific, they diverted traffic over other routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I thought DRGW took over the SP, but decided to use the SP brand as it was better known. They used the Rio Grande font to write "Southern Pacific", though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I thought DRGW took over the SP, but decided to use the SP brand as it was better known. They used the Rio Grande font to write "Southern Pacific", though. True. Though the DRGW colours disappeared and were replacd by SP, which made it look as if SP had taken over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 This is an intriguing photo. The station is Ingatestone, during rather inclement weather. At first glance the unit could be a 305 or 308, but the unit number is 020, which was a 304 (disregarding the 306s, which were ex-LNER jobbies). Does anyone know if many 304s operate on the GE before moving to the Northwest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) Wikipedia's 304 page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_304 says of the second batch of 304s (016-035): Some of this second batch were loaned temporarily to the Eastern Region for use between Liverpool Street and Shenfield/Southend-on-Sea during the conversion of this route from 1,500V DC to 6.25 kV/25 kV AC, while Class 306 and Class 307 units were being rebuilt. (no other source mentioned). Edited February 20, 2017 by eastwestdivide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Thanks eastwestdivide; I didn't think to look on Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just found this thread on another forum: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=106509, with some reminiscences but no more photos or references, so what you've got is probably a rare proof that it actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I recently found a photo of an AM4 at Hertford East around this time, that was a surprise to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 All things come in small packages. Just goes to show you can have a nice looking bridge without having use up too much space. When I can remember where this actually is I will post and update. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 This is an intriguing photo. The station is Ingatestone, during rather inclement weather. At first glance the unit could be a 305 or 308, but the unit number is 020, which was a 304 (disregarding the 306s, which were ex-LNER jobbies). Does anyone know if many 304s operate on the GE before moving to the Northwest? 304020 ingatestone.jpg At the same time as the 306s and 307s were being rebuilt the 305s had transformer trouble, big time, which reduced the new North East London electrification to a shambles. Some 304s were drafted in to help and some enterprising drivers wound up 'Liverpool' on the destination blinds of London bound services. In addition some 4 car dmus intended for Marylebone and Manchester - Liverpool [later Class 115] were based at Stratford for a while to provide additional cover. Some of these units had been at Cricklewood to cover for the Rolls-Royce units [Class 127] working out of St Pancras which were rather failure-prone in their early days. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2017 Is that little orange thing on the back a brake van, just in case? It's a caboose, which is what merkans use as a brake van, but it also serves as crew accommodation and messing when away from home, and as a store for any equipment that is not carried on the locos. They are by tradition often painted red. As a general rule, 'western' railroads have them with the cupola, the raised bit where the conductor sits to watch the train, off centre, and 'east coast' railroads have it in the middle. It's not so little, either, just looks it against the massive locos; cabooses (cabeese?) are about 40 feet long. This is about the sum total of my knowledge of the subject and you now know as much as me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 All things come in small packages. Just goes to show you can have a nice looking bridge without having use up too much space. Small Bridge 1.JPG Elevation.jpg When I can remember where this actually is I will post and update. I like the rather precise 5' 11 5/8" dimension, wonder why though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted February 20, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2017 It's a caboose, which is what merkans use as a brake van, but it also serves as crew accommodation and messing when away from home, and as a store for any equipment that is not carried on the locos. They are by tradition often painted red. As a general rule, 'western' railroads have them with the cupola, the raised bit where the conductor sits to watch the train, off centre, and 'east coast' railroads have it in the middle. It's not so little, either, just looks it against the massive locos; cabooses (cabeese?) are about 40 feet long. I'm not an expert either but I do know that as in the UK they are no longer routinely used. The crew ride in the locomotive cabs and a transponder is used on the rear vehicle so that they know the train hasn't come apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) All things come in small packages. Just goes to show you can have a nice looking bridge without having use up too much space. Small Bridge 1.JPG Elevation.jpg When I can remember where this actually is I will post and update. Is it this one, just south of Doncaster on the line to Maltby, nr Loversall Carr / St Catherines's Junction? - see also http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/12918-no-room-for-a-small-bridge/ p=115304 Later edit - google maps here: https://goo.gl/maps/Cgn5h5ZvgdQ2 although the aerial shots haven't yet caught up with the new road construction just by the bridge. - over Huxter Well Drain. Edited February 21, 2017 by eastwestdivide 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Also posted on Royal Train thread but worth a mention here? Royal train in 2012 with Britannia hauling a mix of Mk1, Mk2 and Mk3 coaches (and Class 67 on rear) https://flic.kr/p/bhUUxK Edited February 21, 2017 by Metr0Land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2017 Also posted on Royal Train thread but worth a mention here? Royal train in 2012 with Britannia hauling a mix of Mk1, Mk2 and Mk3 coaches (and Class 67 on rear) https://flic.kr/p/bhUUxK Definitely a prototype for everything as the Brit is carrying incorrect head lamps! (it should be carrying Class 1 lamps, one above each buffer, as it is not a Royal Train if it was conveying the Prince of Wales and not conveying the Queen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's not carrying the Queen's lighting either though, just the 3 above the buffer beam. Whatever that means/meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 3 above the buffer beam, with the one in the middle being the high vis headlight and the other two being the correct class 1 loco headcode lights, is a kind of correct, isn't it, Mike? I'm probably wrong because I do not fully understand the function of a hi-viz headlight on a steam hauled train, I mean, I understand the requirement for the hi-viz light, but not the headcode implications, if any, of it, if that makes sense... Cracking exposure on a dull day, though! Edited February 21, 2017 by The Johnster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The crew ride in the locomotive cabs and a transponder is used on the rear vehicle so that they know the train hasn't come apart. The unit on the back of the last car can have various names, one of them being "Flashing Rear End Device" or simply "Fred". Naturally enough, the telemetry unit on the locomotive is then known as a "Wilma". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 22, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2017 The unit on the back of the last car can have various names, one of them being "Flashing Rear End Device" or simply "Fred". Naturally enough, the telemetry unit on the locomotive is then known as a "Wilma". Can't avoid a mental image of one of those 20 mile long merkan trains dividing and the Fred shouting out 'Wilmaaaaaaaaa!'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Can't avoid a mental image of one of those 20 mile long merkan trains dividing and the Fred shouting out 'Wilmaaaaaaaaa!'... And the crew's feet sticking out under the loco, complete with 'skidding noise' as they bring it to a halt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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