RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 There are three photos so that would be either genuine or three photoshop exercises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) I have great difficulty with this photo:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/3507496646/in/faves-23256063@N02/ Not just because of the condition this loco has been allowed to run in, but because it is standing underneath the girder bridge at Paddington and yet seems to be in very good light. Could it be a very clever photoshop job with a Western from the Swindon scrap line being added to a poorly exposed photo of one at Paddington? Or am I just too cynical and un-trusting? Looks about right to me. The pic is clearly slightly overexposed judging by the old Departure 'box and other features to the right. And a number of 1000s got into that condition or far worse; you should have seen D1000 itself in its final months before repainting from (mostly missing by then) 'desert sand' livery - far bigger mess than the one in that pic. Simple fact is that Swindon's cheapo top coat paint jobs simply couldn't stand up to Exmover from Carriage Washing Machines (not than anything could if we're blunt about it) and there was loads of trouble with the Kensal Green CWM not rinsing properly over the years added to which the Plymouth machine was a through and back job where the loco inevitably got the worst deal because it was at one end of the train so either got rinsed too soon or too late. Add to that a total lack of loco cleaning by hand on WR depots and once the Exmover was on all it did was eat paintwork. There was an art to getting it off and I very much doubt that even if any loco depot staff had been available they wouldn't have had much idea of the materials and tricks need to get rid of Exmover staining (which were known to the staff in decent carriage cleaning depots). Edited December 18, 2016 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 I have great difficulty with this photo:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/3507496646/in/faves-23256063@N02/ Not just because of the condition this loco has been allowed to run in, but because it is standing underneath the girder bridge at Paddington and yet seems to be in very good light. Could it be a very clever photoshop job with a Western from the Swindon scrap line being added to a poorly exposed photo of one at Paddington? Or am I just too cynical and un-trusting? Quite a few pictures of this loco on the web. A couple more: https://flic.kr/p/fN2oKk https://flic.kr/p/fN2ppK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Quite a few pictures of this loco on the web. A couple more: https://flic.kr/p/fN2oKk https://flic.kr/p/fN2ppK In the 1960s the WR seemed to give up on life. I can remember early 1960s WR around London with quite smart steam engines - I was at Paddington one day when a very scruffy Black 5 came in (I guess now from Wolverhampton) it was noticeably different. But within a couple of years the remaining WR steam locos were in a state that none of the other regions came near to, partially it was the removal of the cast numbers which meant someone was told to scrawl a number on the side. They didn't seem to employ enthusiast cleaners like the other regions seemed to permit. I am talking very generally but.... Alongside this, as discussed, the cleaning was in a world of its own, coaches had long streaks along the side where no paint remained - and I do mean mainline stock going into Paddington and the locos were little better. I never saw anything like that on the SR where I lived, nor the LMR which I spotted at and did long distance travel on. Admittedly I am speaking very generally, I've never forgotten seeing Bittern laid by on a freight in southern Scotland in the early 1960s absolutely filthy! Now we see many pictures of it beautiful on the 3hour Aberdeen service a year or so later! The current Steam World has a feature on its last working. Sorry bit OT but the WR always wanted to be different, shamefully so in this case. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 Black 5 and Crosti 9F combo for those that want 2 big engines on their trains 44917 by darrener24d, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hmmm! https://www.flickr.com/photos/68861278@N03/8366302177/in/faves-sirbrianrobertson/lightbox/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hmmm! https://www.flickr.com/photos/68861278@N03/8366302177/in/faves-sirbrianrobertson/lightbox/ What the hell happened there, nitromors instead of exmover in Lairas washing plant! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Over enthusiastic use of sandpaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2016 Exmover. Ask the Stationmaster Mike. Stronger than Nitromors! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 Exmover was great stuff, shame it was outlawed. Notice how clean stock from the 70s and 80s looks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) Tube stock gong for refurbishment or whatever always makes for an interesting train. Not too many years ago I got of my early morning commuter train at Solihull only to see a tube train stopped at the other platform. Felt weird and I wondered if I was still dreaming. I didn't take a photo but this is what they look like http://daviddepperphotography.zenfolio.com/p761960861/e2551a32b Pedant mode on I'm afraid, but that's not tube stock. It's what is known as sub surface stock; the two side by side for comparison: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tube+stock+and+sub+surface+stock&client=tablet-android-pega&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEx53O5_7QAhUWM1AKHW7DDvcQ_AUICCgC&biw=960&bih=600#imgrc=wQHJ61qcX38MCM%3A Edited December 18, 2016 by leopardml2341 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Black 5 and Crosti 9F combo for those that want 2 big engines on their trains 44917 by darrener24d, on Flickr Going to take a punt and say that's at Edgeley Junction, Stockport; whether no. 1 or no.2, I'm not sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2016 Going to take a punt and say that's at Edgeley Junction, Stockport; whether no. 1 or no.2, I'm not sure Edgeley Junction No.2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted December 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2016 Pedant mode on I'm afraid, but that's not tube stock. It's what is known as sub surface stock; the two side by side for comparison:https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tube+stock+and+sub+surface+stock&client=tablet-android-pega&prmd=sinv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEx53O5_7QAhUWM1AKHW7DDvcQ_AUICCgC&biw=960&bih=600#imgrc=wQHJ61qcX38MCM%3A Wow That shot really shows just how small Tube stock is. Are you sure it not N scale? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) trains like that could be widely travelled - some underground stock was refurbed at Rosyth in Fife! EDIT: to include a couple of pic links Inverkeithing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/62677/3429091676 North Queensferry: https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=36189 Edited December 19, 2016 by keefer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Black 5 and Crosti 9F combo for those that want 2 big engines on their trains 44917 by darrener24d, on Flickr There are several pictures in books at least, not sure if on the web of a pair of 9Fs on GC line freights. Also I believe the exCrostis were downgraded to 8F, at least anecdotally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Believe it or not, D1020 was exhibited in broad daylight at the St.Blazey Open Day in that appaling condition! It was subsequently repainted in blue / full yellows but avoided dual braking at the same time so was an early withdrawal, along with D1017, 1018 and 1019 which also missed out on dual braking. Edited December 19, 2016 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 When you have taken your Black 5 apart, but the cab won't quite seat properly now you have fitted the decoder... http://www.mywarrington.me.uk/making_tracks_ps_bank_quay_09_45140.jpg Wild Boar Fell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 When you have taken your Black 5 apart, but the cab won't quite seat properly now you have fitted the decoder... http://www.mywarrington.me.uk/making_tracks_ps_bank_quay_09_45140.jpg Wild Boar Fell That's something I've noticed in quite a few pictures of LMS 4-6-0s, especially Jubilees. What's the explanation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted December 19, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2016 There are several pictures in books at least, not sure if on the web of a pair of 9Fs on GC line freights. Also I believe the exCrostis were downgraded to 8F, at least anecdotally. A pair of 9Fs (or at least a 9F and an ex-Crosti) was the other common combination for these Stanlow-Neville Hill oil trains. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Quite a few pictures of this loco on the web. A couple more: https://flic.kr/p/fN2oKk https://flic.kr/p/fN2ppK Thanks. Those photos answer my cynical question definitively enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 You wouldn't see this very often https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5942241253/sizes/l 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 trains like that could be widely travelled - some underground stock was refurbed at Rosyth in Fife! EDIT: to include a couple of pic links Inverkeithing: https://www.flickr.com/photos/62677/3429091676 North Queensferry: https://www.railscot.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=36189 Tube stock on the Forth Bridge! I bet that would get some raised eyebrows if you modelled it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2016 You wouldn't see this very often https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5942241253/sizes/l Why not? I got the impression at the time that it was a far from unusual sight - but then it was almost 50 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 That's something I've noticed in quite a few pictures of LMS 4-6-0s, especially Jubilees. What's the explanation? Accident damage. Black Five 5212 was in a similar condition when preserved in 1968. Apparently, it fell into a turntable pit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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