Statement from Kernow MRC on Ltd.Edn. models via Dapol

[APOLLO]

I tend to think more that there is Big Trouble in Little China which is causing these problems.

 

One things for sure, this hobby is getting very expensive of late.

 

Brit15

[truffy]

Without knowing the sales arrangements for limited editions of mainstream models, we cannot fully understand Dapols position. On the surface it appears spiteful and petty. In a business sense, they may well know more of KMCs future aspirations and so see them as too big a threat to, in essense, help fund with lucrative limited edition models. Assuming KMC hold the risk but sell out then I expect the profit on 504 class 73s sold at full RRP will be considerable and vastly more than the margin found on purely mainstream catlogue models. As such, Dapols position is perhaps more understandable.

Hammer just met nail, somewhere in the head region.

[Swifty11]

The Railtrack bubble car is from Hattons Tom. Kernow were doing the NR one.

Thanks, it as was one or the other

[darren01]

Kernow cancelled the O2, Gatestock, Warship, Bulleid diesel etc

 

 

Outside the scope of the commissioned exclusive items such as the O2, Gatestock and subsequent exclusives. the following appears to be the case:

 

 

 

The cancellation of the other items was Dapol's rather than Kernow.

Hi

I am getting this right the warship is not going ahead?

[Roy P]

From post #1 - this topic - Quote;

 

"Work on the OO Gauge Tiger Clay Wagons, Bulleid Diesel locos and D6xx Warships also continues as well as other yet-to-be announced projects, all of which will be produced under a new commercial agreement of which details will be given in due course."

 

"In due course" could mean anything but we must keep the faith. I'm watching this with particular interest but I'm sure all questions will be answered, as they say - in due course - in the fullness of time - at the appropriate juncture.....

RP

[cromptonnut]

all questions will be answered, as they say - in due course - in the fullness of time - at the appropriate juncture.....

 

 

... which will probably generate further questions that we don't have answers to either.  Let's face it, neither side are likely to actually tell the whole story are they?

 

But then again, why do we need to know? 

[edcayton]

If either Kernow stop selling Dapol stuff, or Dapol stop supplying Kernow then, as my Mum would have said, they would be "cutting their own nose off to spite their face".

We don't know what happened between the companies and Dave Jones. Each company has made a statement, and Dave has said perhaps more than he should. I wish his new venture all the best, but I think he will do it no good by dwelling on the past. Move on.

 

As for 0 gauge, I'm sure that Andy's figures are correct BUT the key has to be the trigger that tempts a new generation into the "senior scale". For me it wasn't the Beattie or the Hudswell Clark. It may have been the 08, but more likely a Jinty or pannier that could be a mixed traffic loco. With Peco's new set track I am very tempted to upscale.

 

Ed

[trisonic]

My Mum used to say that too (cutting their nose off to spite their own face). She also said I should "put down that loud guitar".

 

Best, Pete.

[Roy P]

... which will probably generate further questions that we don't have answers to either.  Let's face it, neither side are likely to actually tell the whole story are they?

 

But then again, why do we need to know? 

It was actually the progress of the D600s and Bulleid 1Co-Co1s that I meant I was watching with particular interest rather than the "state of affairs" but I know what you mean.

As my mum used to say; " It'll all come out in the wash"

RP

[The Stationmaster]

... which will probably generate further questions that we don't have answers to either.  Let's face it, neither side are likely to actually tell the whole story are they?

 

But then again, why do we need to know? 

Exactly so - both companies have issued statements and in very simple terms Kernow have taken new product work away from Dapol (and moved it elsewhere) and following that Dapol have decided not to do specialised livery items for Kernow.  Thos are the facts - we may guess at the reasons but it seems unlikely that Kernow would have moved the new product development work without good reason and we simply don't really know why Dapol subsequently decided not to carry on with specialised livery items for Kernow on upcoming products.  

 

We can make guesses, educated or otherwise, until we're blue in the face and this thread reaches 100 pages or Andy locks it because any further speculation is simply pointless.  So just read what the announcement on Page 1 of this thread says and that's it (apart from wondering what colour the boxes will be for the O2 and gate stock and possibly mourning the loss of certain liveries/finishes to a known standard on various railcars and the ED).

[Roy P]

My Mum used to say that too (cutting their nose off to spite their own face). She also said I should "put down that loud guitar".

 

Best, Pete.

Sadly it's my own son that won't let me play my guitars. 

Yet he's got DCC sound  and I haven't.

That's the answer! A mass start-up played through my Marshalls

RP

[petethemole]

turned up to 11

[Southernman46]

My Mum used to say that too (cutting their nose off to spite their own face). She also said I should "put down that loud guitar".

 

Best, Pete.

Has that all anything to do with the situation where your guitar now seems to be stuck to your nose ??? 

[Tim H]

My Mum used to say that too (cutting their nose off to spite their own face). She also said I should "put down that loud guitar".

 

Best, Pete.

The whole thing is reminding me of some of the messier band breakups over the years. Which one is Geoff Tate?

['CHARD]

My mum always used to say 'don't guitar-pick your nose or the wind will change and you'll be stuck like it, feeding back forever.'

[jjb1970]

I very mach agree with the station master. There are statements from Kernow and Dapol, we can all form our own judgement about the situation but as enthusiasts and modelers we can read these and form our own opinions. Beyond that it just ends up in a circular argument where people defend their own opinion and goes around and around.

I greatly value DJM Dave's participation here and what he did at Dapol, and wish both DJM and Dapol every success going forward. I also value the efforts of the various other model producers (Hornby, Bachmann, Heljan etc) and hope to continue buying models from all of them for a long time, end of.

[rob D2]

But of course, it's human nature to be interested in a little " drama" and this is probably as close to dapolgate we will get in the sedate world of model trains

[Coombe Barton]

.. we will get in the sedate world of model trains

Sedate? Wherever did you get that idea?

[Peter Kazmierczak]

Coombe Barton, on 10 Nov 2013 - 17:51, said:

Sedate? Wherever did you get that idea?

Yes, look at all the passion that arose from an innocuous thread on exhibition guides and track plans.....

[valeofyork]

And their modern liveries too .. at least I *hope* this isn't a picture of the actual product .. buffers and a 125 branding ??

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/intercity-executive-mk3-1st-class-coach-11011-loco-hauled-2p-005-121-JJJA25583.aspx

 

Apparently it is! I was going to buy some of these, but I don't think I'll bother now. Suspect they will be a slow seller with a obvious mistake like that!

[Les1952]

Am I the only one who thinks there could be a win-win-win situation once the dust settles?

 

For Kernow- they get their O2 etc developed by the team that were always on it,  and if they lose some limited editions that were underselling in advance orders that frees up cash for use elsewhere.

 

For DJM- an injection of income at the start of the business.

 

For Dapol- some projects gone from the logjam allowing faster progress on some of the "in-house" projects, and a chance to look at a list of specials to either make more on them selling direct or ditch those with poorer prospects.

 

All the best

Les

(off to find a mirror to see if these specs are overly rose-tinted....)

[Dunsignalling]

Summary (as I see it)

 

There's been a divorce between Kernow and Dapol, it's evidently not amicable but it doesn't appear to be writs at dawn, either.

 

The only thing that need concern those of us eagerly awaiting the expected goodies is that they actually do arrive; on time would be a bonus.

 

I, for one, fervently hope that Dave Jones is the right man in the right place with the right contacts to help them on their way.

 

Whose name is on the parcels the exclusive-liveried non-exclusive models arrive in is of much less importance; they haven't been cancelled.  

 

End of Summary

 

John

[mikeharvey22]

Back on 24 October KMRC asked on the Dapol Facebook site why they were not listed as a stockist on the Dapol website. Seems a strange place to ask the question rather than talking to Dapol to resolve it.

[brushman47544]

Back on 24 October KMRC asked on the Dapol Facebook site why they were not listed as a stockist on the Dapol website. Seems a strange place to ask the question rather than talking to Dapol to resolve it.

 

Not really - it signals to all the Dapol followers on Facebook that KMRC is a stockist. Lots of free publicity.

[Karhedron]

but how will all this impact on Dapol who have been very quiet of late in terms of good news and have seemingly lost the appetite to talk to its customers.

Dapol seem to be doing most of their communication on Facebook now. Not quite the level of detail that Dave used to provide but there are regular product updates as well as replies to enquiries from the public.

 

They are no longer talking to us on RMWeb but I guess that is because none of the other Dapol staff have RMWeb accounts (or at least, none they wish to use on a regular basis).