RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted June 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2014 Now that it is June ; 1: Have any details of the actual date/event regarding the announcements been released ? I was wondering the same thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2014 Do I get the feeling that this thread has turned into a Southern Railway wishlist, in much the same that the Hornby threads usually turn into a LNER/NER wishlist? Can I redress the eastern balance on here by suggesting that the Q6 would be good choice.......... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I reckon that the Q6 has been a front runner for quite some time now and I think perhaps some of the more, shall we say, "vocal" elements may have actually if inadvertently delayed it's release! ;-) I feel certain we'll see a standard 2MT mogul first though. All in good time though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OOgaugeJaf Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I would think the Standard 3 tender loco should be high on the agenda also. Covers the North East and Scotland, also one made it south. There is also a new build project in the planning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michanglais Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Going ever so slightly OT, can you confirm what are the main areas that would need improving? I'm detailing a number of the Hornby coaches vs prototype pics, aside from the corridor gangway area, are there any other recommendations for attention? Thanks James Hi James, I'm used to the quality of European coaches, so some of my expectations may be quite high and would certainly push the unit cost up! I'd like to see: - End detailing parts for end-of-train/yard vehicles (pipes, wiring, etc.) - Decent end-doors, or at least some kind of vestibule detailing with glazed entrance doors to the passenger compartment - Correct, multi-colour interiors with individual seats rather than solid, plastic lumps - Lighting/provision for lighting - Smoked glazing - Window stickers, as appropriate - Bogies with holes where they should be (between springs and bogie frame, if I remember correctly), not solid lumps of plastic - Disc brakes - Emergency entrance steps underneath doors - NEM close-couplings - An overall feel of 'model' rather than 'toy'. I haven't got an example to hand, but I seem to recall the body not feeling very solid, the underfame squeezing up into the body, etc. Obviously, this can add to weight (which could do with being increased), but modern motors should be able to cope with this That's a far from exhaustive list, but if you want some idea of the sort of quality I mean, try: http://www.lsmodels.com/Pages/General_F/Home_F.htm http://www.acmetreni.it/index.php/en/ If Hornby/Bachmann/Dapol could get to half that quality, it would mark a major increase in standards! I hope that helps, Regards, Michael PS I'm sure others will have further suggestions, ideas, criticisms... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Whatever we see from Bachmann I'm sure it will be a welcome surprise. It is afterall one company we can depend on not to change course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted June 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2014 Hi James, I'm used to the quality of European coaches, so some of my expectations may be quite high and would certainly push the unit cost up! I'd like to see: - End detailing parts for end-of-train/yard vehicles (pipes, wiring, etc.) - Decent end-doors, or at least some kind of vestibule detailing with glazed entrance doors to the passenger compartment - Correct, multi-colour interiors with individual seats rather than solid, plastic lumps - Lighting/provision for lighting - Smoked glazing - Window stickers, as appropriate - Bogies with holes where they should be (between springs and bogie frame, if I remember correctly), not solid lumps of plastic - Disc brakes - Emergency entrance steps underneath doors - NEM close-couplings - An overall feel of 'model' rather than 'toy'. I haven't got an example to hand, but I seem to recall the body not feeling very solid, the underfame squeezing up into the body, etc. Obviously, this can add to weight (which could do with being increased), but modern motors should be able to cope with this That's a far from exhaustive list, but if you want some idea of the sort of quality I mean, try: http://www.lsmodels.com/Pages/General_F/Home_F.htm http://www.acmetreni.it/index.php/en/ If Hornby/Bachmann/Dapol could get to half that quality, it would mark a major increase in standards! I hope that helps, Regards, Michael PS I'm sure others will have further suggestions, ideas, criticisms... Perfect thanks for the listing Michael! The bogie/spring air suggestion is something I'll have a look at incorporating - I've got the scale corridor connections working and especially looking forward to modelling some flexible jumper cables running between the coaches now! I know just what you mean about the interiors though, had a major surgery operation on my poor passengers - Not sure on whether to go whole hog with the DCC lighting I'm not great on electronics, will have the sound through-wired for the power cars so may have a dabble! Keep the suggestions coming, thanks guys! Cheers James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I was thinking something similar. One thing I would like to see, are passengers ready to plant onto seats in coaches, and units, etc, that come in quite a significant number. Not 6 for 6 kiwd, more like 100 for £20-25. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 18, 2014 Perfect thanks for the listing Michael! The bogie/spring air suggestion is something I'll have a look at incorporating - I've got the scale corridor connections working and especially looking forward to modelling some flexible jumper cables running between the coaches now! I know just what you mean about the interiors though, had a major surgery operation on my poor passengers - Not sure on whether to go whole hog with the DCC lighting I'm not great on electronics, will have the sound through-wired for the power cars so may have a dabble! Keep the suggestions coming, thanks guys! Cheers James That's a bit empty for a typical FGW service................... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2014 I was thinking something similar. One thing I would like to see, are passengers ready to plant onto seats in coaches, and units, etc, that come in quite a significant number. Not 6 for 6 kiwd, more like 100 for £20-25. You can get some ebay bargains in passengers. Chinese, and the colours can be a bit whacky, but very cheap. Frankly, the visibility through windows is such that a representation of the human form clothed is most of what is wanted on an operating layout. To date I have only found the Belgian Mistral models - their X3800 Picasso SNCF railcar - with painted passengers already in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 You can get some ebay bargains in passengers. Chinese, and the colours can be a bit whacky, but very cheap. Frankly, the visibility through windows is such that a representation of the human form clothed is most of what is wanted on an operating layout. To date I have only found the Belgian Mistral models - their X3800 Picasso SNCF railcar - with painted passengers already in place. Yes I have noticed some, but am very sceptical about ordering such things from overseas. Also think that a company is missing out on this, given the way that the market is going with internal detail being something that will start to matter more - especially if its going to start being lit up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yes I have noticed some, but am very sceptical about ordering such things from overseas. Also think that a company is missing out on this, given the way that the market is going with internal detail being something that will start to matter more - especially if its going to start being lit up... I've had no problems ordering cheap items from China. The biggest "problem" was the order for 90 trees. It arrived after about 10 days - and the next day another, identical order arrived, too! Of course, this is France, so the UK may have a different regime for such parcels on handling fees etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2014 I have some nominally HO unpainted seated figures from China. They aren't all particularly well moulded (but ok for coach interiors) and appear to be knock-off copies from various figure and other sets. How else do you account for the two top-hatted figures in double-breasted greatcoats, one with a set of aiguilettes (looped braid on the chest), who appear to be derived from a possibly royal horse and carriage set! On the other hand the old ladies with shopping bags are great. For period models up to the early '60s the painted sets are generally too garish IMHO. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michanglais Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Perfect thanks for the listing Michael! The bogie/spring air suggestion is something I'll have a look at incorporating - I've got the scale corridor connections working and especially looking forward to modelling some flexible jumper cables running between the coaches now! I know just what you mean about the interiors though, had a major surgery operation on my poor passengers - Not sure on whether to go whole hog with the DCC lighting I'm not great on electronics, will have the sound through-wired for the power cars so may have a dabble! Keep the suggestions coming, thanks guys! Cheers James That's pretty impressive, James. I have to say, I'm not sure I'd have the patience to paint all of those seats, table tops, etc. Also, I like the number of passengers, not the odd one or two dotted around that you sometimes see. If I'm not mistaken, those are Lima bogies, right? If memory serves, they don't suffer from the overly 'solid' moulding of the later (!) Hornby offerings - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that point. Now, you say you're installing through-wiring, how about a speaker in each coach to immitate the air-conditioning and other electrical systems, etc. when the train is at a stop? Only kidding! Have a good weekend, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2014 If you're adding sound, how about all those passengers jabbering on their mobiles.... "I'M ON THE TRAIN!!!!"..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2014 Two days ago I gave the crystal ball a clean and saw what they will not be making, it looked grey with a blue stripe along its side and it was very streamlined. It might have been the APT-E. I hope this is fresh news to everyone. It’s nearly July so it will soon be time to put away the crystal ball. Stop mind reading, you should have seen what the Bachmann staff were thinking at the GCR show, very nice but again not model railways. And chatting up the waitress in the Authentic Peking Cantonese Restaurant, who has a cousin who works in the factory in China. I think we all know it will be the largest class of diesels that BR had, which has never been modelled, not even in kit form. As for liveries they carried LMS, WD, BR black, BR green and BR blue. There were six almost identical machines that were in pseudo GWR livery with British Railways lettering complete with brass number plates, to later wear BR black, then BR green liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2014 Two days ago I gave the crystal ball a clean and saw what they will not be making, it looked grey with a blue stripe along its side and it was very streamlined. So no MU fitted ex-Midland Pullman then.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2014 I'm still going for the Coal Tank (nice pic in the latest BRILL of two at Abercynon shed - just right!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted June 27, 2014 Author Share Posted June 27, 2014 My crystal ball also threw up the Coal Tank plus an alternative history: J.M.Dunn became shedmaster at Lees 26F in 1954 and promptly wrote to his employers....." The Coal Tanks are wasted in South Wales. Those economical little kettles were ideal for the two-coach Motor Trains on the Delph service and as they had been at Lees until 1939, his men knew them backwards (and forwards)". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted June 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 27, 2014 My crystal ball also threw up the Coal Tank plus an alternative history: J.M.Dunn became shedmaster at Lees 26F in 1954 and promptly wrote to his employers....." The Coal Tanks are wasted in South Wales. Those economical little kettles were ideal for the two-coach Motor Trains on the Delph service and as they had been at Lees until 1939, his men knew them backwards (and forwards)". To be fair, those Coal Tanks were wasted in Wales..... Just can't have enough panniers.... I'd still reckon that Bachmann might try to make a Great Central brake van, to go with those cracking 0-6-0s & 2-8-0s. Perhaps a Club issue? Loco wise, apart from the 64xx, Midland 1F, and (possibly) a Coal Tank, how about an USATC 2-8-0? They got as far as Aberdare... Aberdare.... Oh no, dark room.... Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Still holding Hope for an Adams Radial... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I'm revising my earlier guess and adding a B12 to the list, especially now I'm tarting my elderly Hornby version up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWesternFan220 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Maybe Bachmann might bring out a retooled version of their old GWR Moguls (43xx, 53xx, etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I think the SR Lord Nelson is the most likely to be retooled Loco. I am still hoping for a NER engine, mostly a G5 0-4-4T, a J21 0-6-0 would be great too. But I will just have to wait (patiently) for the announcement. I think I will be surprised whatever they announce. I must get back to some more modelling. Mark in OZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I'm revising my earlier guess and adding a B12 to the list ... I will be staggered if Bachmann do this. The B12 has been in Hornby's stable for decades and, maybe more pertinently, Bachmann has shown very little interest in ex-GER equipment. With Hornby having just announced the Claud and the J15, my guess is a new B12 will be in Hornby's next set of announcements, or maybe the one after. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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