Ben Alder Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 For those of a caley slant - what caley class is this loco similar to - im guessing an 812 but my main and usual region is ex north british - would anybody be able to clear up which class this would be if i shortened the smokebox etc London tram is the man to ask about this- he is fully aware of the differences between the various"Jumbos", and gave me a lot of useful info on these locos. Having said that, the 812 is the closest to a 700 , the only quibble being that the boiler is a slightly bigger diameter, but might be passable. I am waiting for one to arrive with the intention of doing a conversion, but until I see it in the flesh I am not sure how the boiler pitch will work out. The boiler bottom is cast and is also the motor cradle, which may make alterations a bit problematic, or perhaps just a modelling challenge! It does look very much like a Caley engine though......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) In reference to the handrail issue. I would suggest a black engineering plastic part that plugs the original hole (does it need to be filed smooth with the boiler?) and is strong enough to support a handrail "knob"/stanchion at the correct angle and height. A little excavation of the boiler may be needed to give the part footing an the part should be held firmly in place by ACC. The part would then be smooth with the original surface of the boiler. CAD submissions due by Friday. 3D print engineering sample version by end of month (about when my 700 will arrive.) Hornby should distribute this corrective part free to all who request it to atone for the grievous error. Maybe BrassMasters might have a cast brass solution. In which case I would expect to pay as part of a kit with other etched upgrades. Edited June 21, 2015 by autocoach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2015 You should all boycott buy them as the are wrong, by buying them you indicate to the manufacturer incorrect models are acceptable..Good god listen to yourself, don't buy then and don't bother telling us, these pictures of your stunning models are great!. We ordinary folk will make up our own minds without anyone deciding for us, it's free will. Considering the crap I'm going through at present seeing that actually made me laugh. I don't presume to tell you what you should or should not buy. I really don't need your advice, thankyou.Quite, as usual spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2015 To be fair, Paul, I couldn't press the agree button often enough. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I agree that it is a lovely model, but to me let down by a fundamental error. Yes there has to be compromises as a builder of models I understand this from experience. But as most models are viewed from above, the top should be most accurately portrayed part of the model. Far better to have the handrails right than a perfect representation of the brake pull gear that is under the loco, to my mind anyway. Going by what I have read on here it has happened before. It is probably cheaper for them and they will do it again. How long before the kids think this is how they are supposed to be? I read these threads about RTR products because I like to know what is around today compared to when I last bought a RTR item. I read many comments about what Hornbach should or should not produce. How many of these posts do I read that says this or that is wrong. Done normally as a build compromise and unknown to the Mr average who has not done in depth research about it. Then now we hear well handrail knobs coming out horizontally is acceptable because the handrail is at the right level. And the same thing happens on every thread for every new product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2015 Just try to be less judgemental, point out an error with constructive solution but please don't just slam and suggest boycotts it if it's something minor. A constructive note and suggesting feedback to Hornby is far more likely to be heeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 N15class, please get a sense of perspective. It's a toy for goodness sake, and the wheels are set for an incorrect scale gauge of 4' 1 1/2". It has an electric motor, not a working steam circuit. As for the "kids"; my children are at the age when they look up at most exhibition layouts from baseboard height. They tend not to worry about brake pull rods, but object to smelly old men, backpacks and nothing happening. Just saying... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 In reference to the handrail issue. I would suggest a black engineering plastic part that plugs the original hole (does it need to be filed smooth with the boiler?) and is strong enough to support a handrail "knob"/stanchion at the correct angle and height. A little excavation of the boiler may be needed to give the part footing an the part should be held firmly in place by ACC. The part would then be smooth with the original surface of the boiler. CAD submissions due by Friday. 3D print engineering sample version by end of month (about when my 700 will arrive.) Hornby should distribute this corrective part free to all who request it to atone for the grievous error. Maybe BrassMasters might have a cast brass solution. In which case I would expect to pay as part of a kit with other etched upgrades. Not as simple as that as has been pointed out, the handrails will also need complely rejigging. With care and luck yes. The problem is the front of the handrail will then follow the bend and would probably be impossible to straighten to the correct position. Best left alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 . IF people want to moan about something, then why not look at something that is screamingly wrong ? The long runs of copper piping (never have found out what they are for) are all nice and straight. Now can anyone find a photo of an engine in anything other than ex-works condition with its piping in a similar state ? I expect massed calls for people to either heat and bend the plastic piping supplied, or else specialist cottage industries producing specially "wobbly" replacement pipes. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Blow torches out and at the ready ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 I haven't found any wobbly pipes..... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Ad mine on the rolling road for a few hours yesterday after weathering it. Still needs a lot more weathering to bring it in line with the photos though 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Frankly, suggesting that anyone should boycott this model because of the handrail issue is ludicrous. I note the person suggesting it models in O Gauge and, if the model were to that scale, it would be much more evident. However, such a model would cost around six times as much as Hornby's 4mm example and expectations rise in line with price. If the problem does get to me in the fullness of time, I'll put it right but I doubt it's going to be any time soon. Once their J15 is working on a layout, the misaligned knobs are just not obvious and I think it will be the same with the 700. Mind you, having "got away with it" on a couple of models, Hornby should not conclude they have carte blanche to make this a standard feature. Their advance pictures suggest their Adams Radial will be similar. All other things being equal, if Oxford Rail get it right, it will be sufficient to make me to buy theirs in preference to Hornby's. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 Of course we'd all prefer the model to be perfect in every respect, but an RTR bird in the hand..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) Mines just arrived this morning. Hattons via Yodel. Great service. I couldn't even see the handrails so i'm happy. It may have been mentioned, but I missed it in all the dribble, can the drawbar be shortened? I do like a nice 0-6-0. Classic goods engine. Easily pleased, from Norfolk Edited June 22, 2015 by The Bigbee Line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Mines just arrived this morning. Hattons via Yodel. Great service. I couldn't even see the handrails so i'm happy. It may have been mentioned, but I missed it in all the dribble, can the drawbar be shortened? I do like a nice 0-6-0. Classic goods engine. Easily pleased, from Norfolk So Hattons have their allocation? Good, hopefully mine's on the way then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Has anyone seen / received the Southern liveried version ? All pics and stock listings I've seen so far have been the BR versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfisher24 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It may (and i know im talking about destroying a lovely looking loco) be possible to make up a north british 0-6-0 using the 700 - everything but the boiler could be used, but it would be an expensive exercise so better no for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExPatBrit Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Has anyone seen / received the Southern liveried version ? All pics and stock listings I've seen so far have been the BR versions. My Hornby pre-order is showing July. Close up pics show an insert witness line on the smokebox, either side of the chimney, so I'm assuming the Southern version will have the snifting valves and the delay until July is due to the extra time needed for the change insert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Riddell Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Arrival date for the SR version is now showing as 23/06/2015! http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/sr-0-6-0-700-class-1920s-1930s.html As is the late crest BR one: http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/br-0-6-0-700-class-late-br.html Let's see what the morrow brings.... Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I agree that it is a lovely model, but to me let down by a fundamental error. ... Isn't it more like an irritation? To me, a "fundamental error" would be something like an extra set of wheels... Which, again, is not to argue that the manufacturers shouldn't try to make everything perfect: it would be nice if they would aspire to that. Though I'm prepared to accept reasonable compromises between price and quality. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2015 (edited) My first (Hornby) Black Motor (early BR, the late one hasn't arrived yet) is trundling away merrily on the rolling road. Very smooth right out of the box - the number of poles in the motor isn't evident and it seems to run just as well as the J15. Shame about the horizontal handrail knobs; but for them it would rival the King Arthurs and rebuilt West Countries as my personal best ever Hornby locos. As it stands, I give the 700 nine out of ten (I gave the other two nine and a half - nothing has yet earned ten and probably never will). If everything else about this model wasn't so darned good, I might be less bothered by it but the old saying about a ship and a ha'porth of tar is wholly appropriate here. I'll still be getting a second one but PLEASE don't make a habit of this, Hornby. John Edited June 22, 2015 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 I remember not so long ago we had moulded handrails ........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted June 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2015 And they were horizontal as well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 From what I have seen so far, the 700 Blackmotor is definately on a par with the K1. I cannot wait for my Late BR version to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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