RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Gwiwer said 'Voyagers have problems with sea-water ingress in storms which I believe relates to air intakes on the roof." Its not just seawater. A few years ago in Virgin days I took a Voyager from Reading to Manchester on a very wet day. I hung my jacket on the hook beside my seat - big mistake. When we arrived it was soaked through. The train staff told me it happened all the time and directed me to the Virgin desk to collect a voucher for dry cleaning. I picked up the voucher but couldn't find any cleaners back in Eastleigh who would accept it! Godfrey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Photo by Mark Boutle showing damage to the sea wall at Dawlish. Is it the repaired bit? IMG_64008485290507.jpeg I understand that the copers are on the section that is still under repair, even though it has been reopened to the public. This kind of minor damage is not a big deal, it will be dealt with and happens more often during 'standard' storms of this type than is portrayed by the more hysterical parts of the media (such as today's Plymouth Herald). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Voyagers have problems with sea-water ingress in storms which I believe relates to air intakes on the roof. As such they are not permitted past Dawlish when high seas break over the railway. HST and DMU classes don't suffer the same problems and are often allowed past as the Captain says at 5mph. If the down line becomes blocked there is the option to run a limited service in both directions over the up (and indeed vice versa) though if it's too dangerous then the line closes until things calm down and the track is checked. There is electrical equipment on the roof, next to the exhaust ports. Deposits from the exhaust coat said portions of the roof and when they get wet with salt water, they cause a short circuit, which causes the on-board computer to disapprove. As regards the 5 mph, if it hadn't been for the minor track flooding in the four foot of the Up Main, trains on that road could have been running legitimately at line speed under the provisions of the Protocol. Speed of all trains on the Down line is reduced for the duration of that level of working, so if the Up line is not occupied by an up train, the signaller will often route a down train via the Up Reversible line, as that will save time. As a matter of interest what does the protocol state and how does it differentiate between what can run and can't run? That's probably left to the next SWAG curry night! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2014 Be interesting to see what is stored in this area. It can't just be for CK's car. Are you being serious?! You know what kind of car I have, I take it? Then again, this is Teignmouth we're talking about... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightengine Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Are you being serious?! You know what kind of car I have, I take it? Then again, this is Teignmouth we're talking about... I have heard! Storage for something worth nicking though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 I have heard! Storage for something worth nicking though. CK's secret supply of pasties perhaps? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted November 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) The passenger's view ......video The owner of the clip states she was delayed 10 minutes at the Warren awaiting "specialist drivers" which I take to mean there was pilotman working in force and they were awaiting the pilot. Edited November 12, 2014 by Gwiwer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 A little bird has told me that within the past week or two some of Govt deputation visited the Okehampton line by means of a special train from Exeter. And this was understood by someone claiming to be in the know that they were looking at the line with a view to restoring a through link to Plymouth. Reopening the line was one of the options to be examined by the DoT study announced back in March. Cheers David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 This may sound like a daft and obvious question but is Dawlish station closed when the sea is as high as in that video? I assume it must be in case the sea takes out some of the platform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hysteria from some ignorant journalist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2832008/Fears-raised-Dawlish-railway-line-cracks-appear-storm.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hysteria from some ignorant journalist. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2832008/Fears-raised-Dawlish-railway-line-cracks-appear-storm.html At least they reported the Network Rail comments but unfortunately didn't take any notice of them. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2014 The passenger's view ...... video The owner of the clip states she was delayed 10 minutes at the Warren awaiting "specialist drivers" which I take to mean there was pilotman working in force and they were awaiting the pilot. Expect some similar weather this morning if the forcast is anything to go by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 The owner of the clip states she was delayed 10 minutes at the Warren awaiting "specialist drivers" which I take to mean there was pilotman working in force and they were awaiting the pilot. 'Specialist drivers' - I like that term, I might even use it...!! What they actually meant was that when we implement this particular section of the Protocol's working, we allocate a qualified member of PW staff to ride each down train between Dawlish Warren and Teignmouth, who will (at reduced speed) keep a close watch out for anything affecting the track (eg flooding by sea water). This supports the observations of others out there, stationed where we can in safe locations. It is not 'pilot working' in the normal Rules & Regulations/operating sense. Expect some similar weather this morning if the forcast is anything to go by. Yes, we have deployed our staff again to implement the precautionary working required by the Protocol. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The reader's comments are hysterical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 The reader's comments are hysterical. Such fundamental ignorance and hysteria, and to think that these people probably also have the vote!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Such fundamental ignorance and hysteria, and to think that these people probably also have the vote!!! Many years ago, someone asked the founder of the Daily Wail what his editorial policy was; the reply was 'we sell fear'. They don't seem to have changed. Loathsome rag.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The owner of the clip states she was delayed 10 minutes at the Warren awaiting "specialist drivers" Drivers or divers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightengine Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Teignmouth fencing club is growing. Today the wall alongside the carpark in Myrtle Hill (the road to Dawlish) fence posts are being bolted to the wall. The compound is now nearly completely encircled in fence posts. Suggestions on the back of a postage stamp please for what will happen/be stored here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2014 The passenger's view ...... video The owner of the clip states she was delayed 10 minutes at the Warren awaiting "specialist drivers" which I take to mean there was pilotman working in force and they were awaiting the pilot. I wonder if it was 'drivers' or 'divers'? But more seriously the train appears to be on the Down so presumably they were waiting to be talked past the signal as it was running right road. Beware Mike, it may be a mocking bird but at least its not April Fools Day! However, any titbit like this is fair game and it always hooks me but over the course of this thread, those much more knowledgeable than I have indicated that it has drawbacks which are well known. But that does not mean it can't be done providing the will and the money are forthcoming. If indeed the passengers were from the government, then perhaps there is credibility to the bird's tale. Brian. My informant had the information from an excellent source but judging by certain other things which came from the mouth of the same source I think the comment about Meldon Viaduct should be regarded with extreme caution, to say the very least! In view of the ongoing debate, and rancour being displayed by certain parts of the media, I am not at all surprised to hear of official type folk (allegedly including MPs) taking trips around various parts of the country between Exeter and Plymouth as the report is still, i think I've heard, "receiving consideration' (something which the cynic in me can see continuing until we close in on a certain date next year, following which we'll hear a lot about the parlous state of Govt finances and the money already spent on the existing route. Quite bluntly I expect the politicos will be far more interested in the voting power of Torbay than that of North Devon.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashcombe Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) BBC Spotlight (local news) has just reported that Dawlish station is closed due to the rough weather. Edited November 13, 2014 by Ashcombe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mow Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 BBC web report. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-30040238 Has someone photoshopped that cyclist in the foreground. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 National Rail is reporting that issue as cleared and the line open as of 8.25am, RealTimeTrains is showing trains still calling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Kinda unbelievable really - At present, if you go here:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/devon/ The top story is the news that the line is closed, that it's damaged again - there are no less that 7 story links to topics about the damage and disruption to the railway line... But if you go here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/travel/2640194/incidents/rail "There are no live rail incidents in this area". That's some quality work BBC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I picked this one up in the USA: http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2014-11-13/dawlish-station-re-opens/ Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Even that bit of reporting was posted a whole 6 hours after NRE cleared the Dawlish report! BBC is now saying it was closed for an hour, anyone know which hour?Looking at RTT there's only been one cancelled train there all day, and that was a Northbound Voyager that started from Exeter instead of Paignton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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