Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Clive Mortimore]

Excellent pictures again, I love the BL carflats were these exports or imports?

From memory at that time harwich was used to export cars.......at least I think Britain did once.

[Clive Mortimore]

Fantastic shot. We are at the limit of resolution but is that one of the Immingham locos with the tablet catcher recess in the drivers door? If so that limits it to a small number of locos in the D567x number range and they were allocated to these workings

 

Kind regards

 

Phil

Hi Phil

 

The tablet catcher locos were Finsbury Park engines to start with as they also had the LT trip cock fitted to them.

[russ p]

From memory at that time harwich was used to export cars.......at least I think Britain did once.

I've had another look a the picture and I'm pretty certain that they are for export as there are triumph's on the train.

Harwich was also used to import BL cars, both allegro's and minis were also built at BLs plant at Senneffe in Belgium

[Phil Bullock]

Hi Phil

 

The tablet catcher locos were Finsbury Park engines to start with as they also had the LT trip cock fitted to them.

Cheers Clive

 

Yup found plenty of pictures of them around The Cross in the early days as you say - the doors must have been a later mod. I hope that loco isn't one of the tablet catcher fitted series as IIRC they didn't tend to wander much and would like to model that some time in future

 

Cheers

 

Phil

[keefer]

Bliley! You mean in 1977, Britain couldn't get enough allegros so they had to import them???

[russ p]

Bliley! You mean in 1977, Britain couldn't get enough allegros so they had to import them???

It was because of 'industrial problems'at Longbridge went on for a number of years. Surprisingly the quality of the Belgium built cars was inferior to the British one and very few survive today, most having rusted away. What is not commonly known is that allegro's were for the day quite corrosion resistant. That would never have appeared in print as Britain's media didn't want any good news stories about and industry they were intent and ultimately succeeded in destroying

[Fat Controller]

It was because of 'industrial problems'at Longbridge went on for a number of years. Surprisingly the quality of the Belgium built cars was inferior to the British one and very few survive today, most having rusted away. What is not commonly known is that allegro's were for the day quite corrosion resistant. That would never have appeared in print as Britain's media didn't want any good news stories about and industry they were intent and ultimately succeeded in destroying

There were curtain-sided conversions of BR Ferryvans used to transport components, notably engines, to Belgium:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/h1bfb8f45#h1bfb8f45

An Italian firm, Innocenti, also made Leyland vehicles (mainly Minis, but possibly also 1100s) under licence.

I have heard it said that we now manufacture and export more cars than we did back in the 1960s; I wonder if there's any truth in this.

I met a Belgian Rover dealer who said that the manufacturers forced him to take a quantity of saloons (were they the 216 and 316?) before he could get an allocation of the various Land Rover/ Discovery/Range Rover models his customers wanted; I suspect the same principle applied to the Italian market, as the daily train from the Midland to Italy always had a few wagons of undistinguished saloons amongst the Minis and Land Rovers.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I've thankfully got the PC problems sorted out, and on getting back to this great thread  I see a selection of terrific photo's of the GE line to Harwich.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[russ p]

There were curtain-sided conversions of BR Ferryvans used to transport components, notably engines, to Belgium:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/h1bfb8f45#h1bfb8f45

An Italian firm, Innocenti, also made Leyland vehicles (mainly Minis, but possibly also 1100s) under licence.

I have heard it said that we now manufacture and export more cars than we did back in the 1960s; I wonder if there's any truth in this.

I met a Belgian Rover dealer who said that the manufacturers forced him to take a quantity of saloons (were they the 216 and 316?) before he could get an allocation of the various Land Rover/ Discovery/Range Rover models his customers wanted; I suspect the same principle applied to the Italian market, as the daily train from the Midland to Italy always had a few wagons of undistinguished saloons amongst the Minis and Land Rovers.

I'm not sure of the current export situation but remember in the 60s the home market was absolutely massive in this country with very few foreign cars being sold here. And if we do produce more cars now, any profit goes to foreign companies

The BL models built overseas were supplied with a lot of British built components so that would have entailed ferry van movements.

You're right about innocenti in Italy, they built minis and there own little hatchback also called mini which used mini engines and subframes, it predated the metro but unfortunately had less room than a standard mini.

They also briefly produced the allegro and called it the innocenti regent

Edited December 14, 2014 by russ p

[lmsforever]

Virtually all of the production in Sunderland and Swindon is exported to Europe and elsewhere ,also much of the Land Rovers produced go abroad China being a big market as is Russia ,if you drive down the A34 you see many trucks with them on heading for Southampton.At least the factories employ locals and help the local economy I saw a programme on tv about the loading of cars onto ships and its manic almost have to be formula one drivers.I am not sure how many trains run from Cowley these days but someone will know?

[Fat Controller]

Virtually all of the production in Sunderland and Swindon is exported to Europe and elsewhere ,also much of the Land Rovers produced go abroad China being a big market as is Russia ,if you drive down the A34 you see many trucks with them on heading for Southampton.At least the factories employ locals and help the local economy I saw a programme on tv about the loading of cars onto ships and its manic almost have to be formula one drivers.I am not sure how many trains run from Cowley these days but someone will know?

There's at least one train of Arbel articulated car-carriers to Purfleet every day, I believe; I don't know if there's any traffic to Southampton. The drivers who load and unload the rakes are called 'Jockeys'; if the train arrives 'in reverse', then it has to be turned on the nearest triangle, or (worst-case scenario)the cars reversed off. They do this at the same speed as they would going forward..Trains are routed by specified itineraries, and any possible change has to be advised to Control. Terminals normally have a minibus to ferry drivers from one end to the other, as the rakes can be 750m long.

Peugeot had a neat system at one of their plants; pairs of wagons would be pushed on to a transverser, loaded, then moved sideways, attached to the end of the last pair and pulled on to the outward track. This means  they need considerably fewer jockeys.

Edited December 14, 2014 by Fat Controller

[DaveF]

In April 1972 I had joined Mum and Dad to visit family friends friends in Gloucestershire and we decided to go and look at the Dean Forest Railway's Open day at Parkend.  The society had been formed in 1970, their first open day had been in 1971.  At this time the line was still in use by BR.

 

There was one engine in steam Peckett 2147 Uskmouth No.1, giving brake van rides and a Wickam trolley, also giving rides, both in the sidings.

 

As is so often the case it was a dull day.

 

 

Parkend Peckett 2147 Uskmouth No 1 ex Uskmouth Power station April 72 C897

 

 

Parkend Wickham Trolley ex WD 9045 April 72 C898

 

 

Parkend Peckett 2147 Uskmouth No 1 ex Uskmouth Power station April 72 C900

 

 

Parkend Peckett 2147 Uskmouth No 1 ex Uskmouth Power station April 72 C0902

 

 

Parkend Hunslet 0-4-0DM 2145 April 72 C903

 

 

Parkend view to station April 72 C904

 

Edited as I can't spell Wickham - even though the word is clearly visible on the photo.

David

Edited December 14, 2014 by DaveF

[TimC]

Love the forest pictures!

 

By any chance do you have any more from that day of the Marsh Sidings? (i.e. looking the other way from the view taken in the last picture posted)

[DaveF]

Love the forest pictures!

 

By any chance do you have any more from that day of the Marsh Sidings? (i.e. looking the other way from the view taken in the last picture posted)

 

 

Do you mean something like this one?

 

It was taken by Dad on the same day and it's the only I have looking in that direction.  Hope it is useful

 

Parkend view to coal sidings from level crossing April 72 J2888

 

 

David

[DaveF]

Photos of electrics this evening from around Kilsby and Crick on the Northampton line.  At least one has appeared before in another thread, I hope no one minds too much.

 

No flashy expresses, just ordinary workaday trains.

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 86 down milk and parcels March 67 J827

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310068 Euston to Birmingham July 79 J6527

 

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 81 down light engine July 79 J6570

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 25236 down coal July 79 J6571

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310083 Birmingham to Euston July 79 J6572

 

 

David

Edited December 14, 2014 by DaveF

[Andy Y]

Photos of electrics this evening from around Kilsby and Crick on the Northampton line.  At least one has appeared before in another thread, I hope no one minds too much.

 

b Kilsby and Crick Class 86 down milk and parcels March 67 J827.jpg

Kilsby and Crick Class 86 down milk and parcels March 67 J827

 

 

Only a few weeks ago I was wondering when the magnificent tranmsitters quietly disappeared or shrunk.

[TimC]

Do you mean something like this one?

 

It was taken by Dad on the same day and it's the only I have looking in that direction.  Hope it is useful.

 

 

David

 

That's fantastic!  Many thanks.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Great photo's of the Dean Forest Railway, and also of Kilsby and Crick. I especially like J827 of the class 86 hauled milk and parcels train.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[darren01]

 Hi Dave

My partner said that this photo C898 looked like a giant golf buggy!!!

Great  photos tonight. 

Edited December 14, 2014 by darren01

[stovepipe]

ISTR that green 31's with BR arrows is not that unusual. I once modelled a green 31 (possibly 5518) with white roof and BR arrows in TT - that had been used on Royal Train duty - now that did look odd!

 

A quick glance at one of my Bradford Barton Diesel books finds 5685 and 5820 also in green with arrows. Somewhere, I have a list..............

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

Yes me too..... I've got 69 locos with green full yellow ends (gfye) and BR arrows, about 1 in every 3. There were also about 6 in green with small panels (gsyp) and arrows. Still got around 30 locos unknown.

[Enterprisingwestern]

Only a few weeks ago I was wondering when the magnificent tranmsitters quietly disappeared or shrunk.

 

I don't think they've shrunk, they've been well watered and tended, and grown into effing great windmills!

 

Mike.

[dagrizz]

I don't think they've shrunk, they've been well watered and tended, and grown into effing great windmills!

 

Mike.

 

And soon they will be further blossoming into 6000+ houses.

 

Graham

[corneliuslundie]

Interesting to see a "down" coal train (J6571). At that date I wonder where it was from and to. One thinks of coal going to London from the Midlands and this must be south of most Midlands collieries.

[DaveF]

A couple of Great Western locations this evening, Fenny Compton and Haresfield.  They are seen in blue diesel days, but no hydraulics.

 

 

Fenny Compton Class 47 1761 up Cartics July 71 C671

 

 

Fenny Compton near Class 45 D123 up coal July 71 C672

 

 

Haresfield Class 47 1862 LCGB Torbay Express special Birmingham to Kingswear April 73 C1238

 

 

Haresfield Class 45 121 possibly Birmingham to Paignton April 73 C1241

 

 

Haresfield Class 120 up pass April 73 C1242

 

 

David

[Fat Controller]

Interesting to see a "down" coal train (J6571). At that date I wonder where it was from and to. One thinks of coal going to London from the Midlands and this must be south of most Midlands collieries.

Coking coal from East Kent to Yorkshire, probably. Until the demise of the Kent coalfield, after the Miners' Strike, there would be block trains of Midlands/ Yorkshire coal to Northfleet cement works which, when empty,  would then continue to collect a back load of coal from the pits down here.