RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2017 Hi, Dave. I like the Cramlington photo's. In the first one, the class 101 is showing so clearly why white, and all other very light liveries, are to be avoided on railway vehicles. They get far too dirty far too quickly. I like the photo' of the track re laying train in C6470. The new track panels are showing up as very clean and new. I don't think anyone will be able to work out the number of the class 31! lol. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Northumberland ECML again today with Damdykes and Cramlington in the early 1980s. Cramlington 47418 WBHS Newcastle to Fort William 11th May 85 C6834.jpg Cramlington 47418 WBHS Newcastle to Fort William 11th May 85 C6834 David We were on that train. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) Is that a Hawkesworth? Looking closely I'd have thought that was a Gresley. Don't think so, the unpanelled flush sides, and ventilators, show that it's a Hawksworth bow ended brake 3rd with the gangways plated over. These were commonly used as mess and tool vans at the time, in an olive green livery. Edited August 10, 2017 by The Johnster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2017 Is that a Hawkesworth? Looking closely I'd have thought that was a Gresley. C6096: note the Hawkesworth coach in use as a Mess Van with the cranes. Any idea which day that was? We had our 'wedding breakfast' on July 4th 1983 in Corbridge, and it was blue skies and boiling hot. I'd agree: I'm no expert on Hawkesworths, but I can't see anything which shows it's not a Gresley. Don't think so, the unpanelled flush sides, and ventilators, show that it's a Hawksworth bow ended brake 3rd with the gangways plated over. These were commonly used as mess and tool vans at the time, in an olive green livery. I've enlarged the coach, probably more than is wise, does it help? Corbridge Class 37 up pw train July 83 C6096 David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 10, 2017 Hi. That is an ex-Gresley end door carrriage - most likely a former all third or first. The little 'step' on the dome end of the roof is one clue, and then the vents along the centre of the roof being another clue. The sides have clearly been repanelled with metal panels, hence the lack of beading and panelling. Clearly the visble side is the corridor side with the number of windows being correct at nine in total. Finally, you can just make out the handrails either side of the centre roof vents at each end of the carriage, which confirms its Gresley heritage. Best regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Southern electrics today at several locations all of which begin with S Swifts Green may sound an unusual location, it is actually the nearest place to a bridge on the line between Headorn and Ashford. I'll admit that I had to look that up this afternoon as when I first looked at the photos there i hadn't a clue where it is. The train details were taken from a copy of an SEG headcode publication, they may be correct. Sheerness Class 414 Sheerness to Sittingbourne May 77 J5713 Sittingbourne West Junction 2HAP 6061 Victoria to Faversham May 76 J5219 Swanley Class 414 6109 Gillingham to Victoria Nov 78 C4211 Swifts Green Class 423 7893 Ramsgate to Charing X May 76 J5179 Swifts Green Class 414 Charing X to Ashford May 76 J5180 That's a much younger me in the photo. David Edited August 11, 2017 by DaveF 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hi. That is an ex-Gresley end door carrriage - most likely a former all third or first. The little 'step' on the dome end of the roof is one clue, and then the vents along the centre of the roof being another clue. The sides have clearly been repanelled with metal panels, hence the lack of beading and panelling. Clearly the visble side is the corridor side with the number of windows being correct at nine in total. Finally, you can just make out the handrails either side of the centre roof vents at each end of the carriage, which confirms its Gresley heritage. Best regards, Rob. Yes, I agree. One can see with the blown up version of the photograph that it is not a Hawkworth, and in any case not a Brake 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hi, Dave. I like the southern electric photos. The first one at Sheerness has much detail in it, and would make the basis for a great model railway. You can see the way the carriage sides have weathered in J5179. It would make one of Hornbys 4VEP's look most realistic if weathered like that. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hi, Dave. I like the southern electric photos. The first one at Sheerness has much detail in it, and would make the basis for a great model railway. You can see the way the carriage sides have weathered in J5179. It would make one of Hornbys 4VEP's look most realistic if weathered like that. With warmest regards, Rob. It should be noted there are two whites showing on the destination board instead of 01. Whilst down there more than a few years ago surveying for our "Rushenden Metals Ltd. layout we asked the driver why this was so. The blinds would have to be wound from one end to the other to go from 1 to red but red and white are next to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) In Great Eastern territory today with a mix of odds and ends. A bit later today as I have been spending some time working out exactly where I took some Swedish photos for my European thread. Trumpington Class 31 up freight April 71 J2588 may well be 5696 12.18SX Whitemoor to Hitchin Trumpington Class 47 1976 Kings X to Cambridge April 71 J2589 13.35 Kings X to Cambridge Trumpington trackbed on LNWR line to Cambridge July 74 C1664 Horsemoor Class 104 down Aug 72 J3009 Outwell station Oct 72 J3123 David Edited August 12, 2017 by DaveF 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 In Great Eastern territory today with a mix of odds and ends. A bit later today as I have been spending some time working out exactly where I took some Swedish photos for my European thread. Trumpington trackbed on LNWR line to Cambridge July 74 C1664.jpg Trumpington trackbed on LNWR line to Cambridge July 74 C1664 David Guilty M'lud. I took that track. (by rail too, all the way to Dereham) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2017 Hi, Dave. What a delightful set of GE photos. At Trumpington, in the first photo, I'm just wondering if that loop/siding beyond the box is still there. I'm thinking that it's most probably long gone, replaced by bushes and trees. And I see the telegraph poles were left in situation long after the track had been lifted at Trumpington in C1664. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 Hi, Dave. What a delightful set of GE photos. At Trumpington, in the first photo, I'm just wondering if that loop/siding beyond the box is still there. I'm thinking that it's most probably long gone, replaced by bushes and trees. And I see the telegraph poles were left in situation long after the track had been lifted at Trumpington in C1664. With warmest regards, Rob. Trumpington - the trackbed of the LNWR line is now the infamous guided busway. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Nice set of photos again David. Loco identity alert! The 31 in photo J2588 looks to be 5696. It is in the right livery, but more importantly it has the small "hole" just below the footstep in the LH corridor connecting door, that 5696 had for the Royal Train communication wiring, more commonly seen on 25's and 40's. Thank you for sharing with us. Paul J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark54 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 8B40 was the 12:18SX Whitemoor-Hitchin 1B66 was the 13:35 KX-Cambridge, going by the RMB in the formation and the light. If 1B66 was on time, 8B40 must have been running about an hour late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted August 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2017 8B40 was the 12:18SX Whitemoor-Hitchin 1B66 was the 13:35 KX-Cambridge, going by the RMB in the formation and the light. If 1B66 was on time, 8B40 must have been running about an hour late. Thanks once again Mark. As it is an April photo Dad may well have been on holiday, in which case the Whitemoor to Hitchin train would be right. I can't be certain as I didn't keep a diary then but it may have been the day Dad went to see an old friend (the farmer's son) he worked with on a farm near Cambridge during school holidays in the early part of the war. I remember Mum and I went with him and we were made most welcome. It's always interesting the memories that looking at old family photos can bring back. It was then that I realised why Dad knew quite a bit about working with heavy horses, as well as using traction engines on farms, especially the big ploughing engines. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 From memory 1B66 was used for all the down Cambridge Buffet Express runs. In 1973 there was still the Gresley vehicle (I think rather than Thompson) in one of the rakes. And the young lad assisting in the buffet car was called Jamie! But the sun wouldn't have been where it is in the photo when I was catching it at Stevenage after overtime. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 Trumpington - the trackbed of the LNWR line is now the infamous guided busway. Regards, John Isherwood. Hi John The bus way is on the former track bed of the GER line to St Ives and Huntington, not the LNWR line to Sandy and Bedford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 Hi John The bus way is on the former track bed of the GER line to St Ives and Huntington, not the LNWR line to Sandy and Bedford. Sorry Clive - as a resident of Cambridge for forty years I KNOW that the the LNWR Bedford branch to Trumpington village is now the southern section of the guided bus system. I also know - having lived within a couple of hundred yards of it - that the former St.Ives branch is now the northern length of the guided bus route. Those that have travelled it know that the guided bus route runs from St.Ives to Trumpington, via Cambridge; the section within Cambridge itself is not guided. Regards, John Isherwood, formerly Cambridge City Engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) Sorry Clive - as a resident of Cambridge for forty years I KNOW that the the LNWR Bedford branch to Trumpington village is now the southern section of the guided bus system. I also know - having lived within a couple of hundred yards of it - that the former St.Ives branch is now the northern length of the guided bus route. Those that have travelled it know that the guided bus route runs from St.Ives to Trumpington, via Cambridge; the section within Cambridge itself is not guided. Regards, John Isherwood, formerly Cambridge City Engineer. Hi John My apology, I didn't realise they had made a second bit. :blush: Edited August 12, 2017 by Clive Mortimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted August 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 13, 2017 That's OK Clive. Neither did I until I looked on Google Earth. Even more wasted money than I thought. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Glory Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Nice set of photos again David. Loco identity alert! The 31 in photo J2588 looks to be 5696. It is in the right livery, but more importantly it has the small "hole" just below the footstep in the LH corridor connecting door, that 5696 had for the Royal Train communication wiring, more commonly seen on 25's and 40's. Thank you for sharing with us. Paul J. 5696 without any doubt, but I'll spare you all the Broad Gauge image that proves it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 13, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2017 Rocks by Rail, near Cottesmore today. It wasn't called "Rocks by Rail" when these photos were taken. Was it "Rutland Railway Museum"? Cottesmore Avonside 2 Dora Hunslet Coal Products 6 Hunslet 24 Aug 83 C6170 Cottesmore Yorkshire Engine Co 28 British Steel Scunthorpe Aug 83 C6173 Cottesmore Peckett 8 and Barclay Aug 83 C6174 Cottesmore Barclay Salmon parts Peckett Elizabeth GER 6 wheel coach Aug 83 C6177 Cottesmore Manchester Ship Canal ex GWR brake van Aug 83 C6179 David 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted August 13, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) Now we move to Gateshead to look at Tyneside Central freight depot in 1985. Tyneside Central Freight depot 08384 1st Aug 85 C7007 Tyneside Central Freight depot 08384 1st Aug 85 C7008 Tyneside Central freight depot Gateshead 08384 1st Aug 85 C7012 yneside Central freight depot Gateshead Class 101 Middlesbrough to Newcastle 1st Aug 85 C7014 Tyneside Central freight depot Gateshead Class 101 to Newcastle 1st Aug 85 C7015 Edited to change fright to freight in the first sentence. David Edited August 13, 2017 by DaveF 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Rocks by Rail, near Cottesmore today. It wasn't called "Rocks by Rail" when these photos were taken. Was it "Rutland Railway Museum"? David I'm not sure when the date changed (it's probably on Wikipedia) but it was certainly Rutland Railway Museum when I first went, in 1989. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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