45125 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 The steam heat bag would more than likely be there as the bogie would at the time been overhauled ready to go under any Peak. Just alter the Traction Motors to suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Wasn't steam heat a requirement for some class B tankers that had heating coils, eg. heavy fuel oils and bitumen? Dave Not in transit, they were used at the discharge point and had nothing to do with the loco. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Wasn't steam heat a requirement for some class B tankers that had heating coils, eg. heavy fuel oils and bitumen? Dave The steam heating was only applied at the unloading point; thee was no need to keep the stuff liquid in transit. It was usually generated from a small boiler on site. For the really gloopy stuff, like bitumen, a 'flame tube' ran along the lower part of the tank interior- there would be a number of small 'chimneys' on the top of the tank for the exhaust gases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 Looking at the platform Bottesford didnt look as though there was much passenger footfall is it still open? Bottesford is still open, part of the platforms have been raised since the photo was taken. There is a roughly two hourly service. I don't know how much it is used now but it certainly was used more than the state of it would suggest when I took the photos. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 The steam heat bag would more than likely be there as the bogie would at the time been overhauled ready to go under any Peak. Just alter the Traction Motors to suit. As stated, bear in mind, back in the day, Derby works had seperate workshops for each locomotive component, and a loco would be an amalgamation of overhauled parts from various areas of the works, eg, cabs, bogies, boilers, traction motors etc. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes, and not always cabs from the same loco. I saw what I thought was 25178 at Derby works on one visit, but that was only until I reached the other end where the number was 25307. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes, and not always cabs from the same loco. I saw what I thought was 25178 at Derby works on one visit, but that was only until I reached the other end where the number was 25307. I used to like looking at the cabs and seeing what the previous number was under the new one, primarily Sulzer 2's and Brush 2's, made me wonder which loco I was actually spotting! Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) I used to like looking at the cabs and seeing what the previous number was under the new one, primarily Sulzer 2's and Brush 2's, made me wonder which loco I was actually spotting! Mike. I once climbed up into a 25 to work on, and looking at the cab saw it the number it was carrying at that moment. Under the paint you could make out a previous different number, and under that another pre-Tops number, that on checking later, was from a different loco to the other two numbers. It got me to wondering which cab, on any loco, carried the most different loco numbers? Edited February 10, 2018 by Swindon 123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 I once climbed up into a 25 to work on, and looking at the cab saw it the number it was carrying at that moment. Under the paint you could make out a previous different number, and under that another pre-Tops number, that on checking later, was from a different loco to the other two numbers. It got me to wondering which cab, on any loco, carried the most different loco numbers? My money would be on a Sulzer 2 of some variety that had made the most visits to Derby works, as I believe the cabs were removed and refurbished as a complete unit irrespective of damage and mechanical/electrical wear. I also believe that Doncaster didn't do full cab swaps irrespective of requirements on Brush 2's as these were more difficult to remove, but had a few spare cabs in the works for any accident damage replacements, although I know for a fact from my own observations that at least one came out with a different number than the one it went in with. Mike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Wonder what a Peak would look like with Type 2 cabs? Or a Type 2 with Peak cabs................... Or a different cab at each end from different classes................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 Wonder what a Peak would look like with Type 2 cabs? Or a Type 2 with Peak cabs................... Or a different cab at each end from different classes................. Awful perhaps? Regards, Ian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 10, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2018 Time for some photos again now but don't even think about identifying today's only loco. Incidentally this particular train has (I think) been seen before, but this really is a different photo of it. Enjoy working out the exact locations of the other photos - I would probably not be able to find exactly where Dad was for the Clowne photos. It's a place I don't think I ever visited. Alfreton view towards Alfreton tunnel June 69 J1753 Belper view south April 74 C1595 Clay Cross Class 46 down Aug 75 C2276 Clowne GCR June 69 J1746 Clowne MR June 69 J1747 Clowne Colliery MR June 69 J1748 David 41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 Hi, Dave. That's a most interesting selection of photos. I have never heard of Clowne before, and will be finding out about it after I get home from the Doncaster model railway exhibition. I'm wondering, on looking at the last two photos, whether the line was originally double track. There is room, in the cutting, for two tracks. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 J5645 is actually Radcliffe under Trent! Looks more like Radcliffe (typically) under Water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 Very interstin pictures again Were the goods lines at alfreton still in use at that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 10, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) Very interstin pictures again Were the goods lines at alfreton still in use at that time? I think they were still in use, they had gone when I was there in 1975.. Hopefully someone else will know the date when they were taken out of use/removed for certain. David Edited February 10, 2018 by DaveF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted February 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2018 Time for some photos again now but don't even think about identifying today's only loco. Incidentally this particular train has (I think) been seen before, but this really is a different photo of it. Enjoy working out the exact locations of the other photos - I would probably not be able to find exactly where Dad was for the Clowne photos. It's a place I don't think I ever visited. Alfreton view towards Alfreton tunnel June 69 J1753.jpg Alfreton view towards Alfreton tunnel June 69 J1753 Belper view south April 74 C1595.jpg Belper view south April 74 C1595 Clay Cross Class 46 down Aug 75 C2276.jpg Clay Cross Class 46 down Aug 75 C2276 Clowne GCR June 69 J1746.jpg Clowne GCR June 69 J1746 Clowne MR June 69 J1747.jpg Clowne MR June 69 J1747 Clowne Colliery MR June 69 J1748.jpg Clowne Colliery MR June 69 J1748 David Looking at the NLS mapping of Clowne, I would take a stab at the GCR image J1746, would be looking west from North Road by the station, with the MR ones, J1747 looking east from Boughton Lane bridge, and J1748 definitely looking west from the same bridge. Here if you zoom in you can see beyond/behind the signal box the GCR bridge over the MR line. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 David, I reckon that '46' is more likely a '45' iirc 46's had a triangular grille rather than a plate under the main bodyside grilles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I think the goods lines went on completion of the Trent PSB resignalling in 1969/70. Certainly gone by 1973 when Alfreton & Mansfield Parkway opened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Bottesford is still open, part of the platforms have been raised since the photo was taken. There is a roughly two hourly service. I don't know how much it is used now but it certainly was used more than the state of it would suggest when I took the photos. David Can be quite busy, commuters mostly to Nottingham in the week and shoppers, especially teenagers on Saturdays. Good number of school kids as well in the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 11, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) It's time for another trip to see the Sittingbourne and Kemsley in the 1970s. Sittingbourne Bagnall Superb running round May 75 C2095 Sittingbourne Bagnall Triumph 23rd April 77 C3312 ittingbourne Bagnall Triumph crossing Milton Creek viaduct May 77 J5711 Kemsley Down flat wagon and pulp wagon May 75 C2097 Kemsley Down Hunslet 4 wheel diesel Victor May 75 C2102 Kemsley Down ex Woolwich Arsenal gunpowder van May 75 C2114 David Edited April 1, 2022 by DaveF 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 11, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) This afternoon's photos were taken over 50 years ago at Harrogate. Once again they were taken with a half frame camera. The trains are seen crossing the Stray, and just south thereof. The station is to the north. They were taken by Dad, looking at the dates I would have been there as well, taking b/w photos with my new 35mm Yaschica. The December photos were probably taken on a Saturday, the August ones could have been any day of the week. I can hardly believe it was so long ago, I can so clearly remember the very short walk (about 3 minutes) from the house to the railway bridge by Tewit Well. I was still at school then, I started my first year in the sixth form in September 1965 and had a darkroom for printing my photos in the cellar. Dad of course had to wait for his slides to come back from the processors, Agfa at this time. Mum and Dad had moved to Harrogate at Easter in 1965, I had remained in Nottingham living with some friends while I took my 0 levels, moving to Harrogate in July. Harrogate Class 45 Liverpool to Newcastle Aug 65 J272 Harrogate Class 101 Darlington to Leeds Aug 65 J274 Harrogate Class 40 Newcastle to Liverpool Aug 65 J277 Harrogate B1 61319 Harrogate to Kings X Dec 65 J427 Harrogate B1 61337 Harrogate to Kings X Dec 65 J429 David Edited April 9, 2022 by DaveF 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 J429, I don't think that's a B1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2018 I do like all that steam in J429. Sorry if it’s been asked before, but presumably only some Liverpool - Newcastle trains went via Harrogate and Ripon, others also going via York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2018 More trains in proper colours. I am so glad your father didn't only take photos of steam locos in the 60s because we are all lucky to see his photos of DMU and diesel locos taht many would have not "wasted" film on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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