Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Enterprisingwestern]

Pride of Tinsley! pain in the wotsit as it was nearly always on the Master Cutler, about the only blue Type 4 we ever saw at Bedford at the time.

 

Tinsley had all those other Brushes and they keep sending us the same one. :nono:

But none better, you should have considered yourself honoured.

 

Mike.

[Porcy Mane]

Cue Porcy Mane salivating over the street lamp!

Well it is a rather nice example of a Girling that adds to the composition by balancing up the railway standard that illuminates the pointwork at the entrance to the goods yard.

https://flic.kr/p/JdxjQv

 

If only Daves Dad had turned 180 degrees and photographed the Sketchley works. A typical factory, a model of which would enhance any model railway layout. 

 Anybody wanna talk about Hinkley bricks? 

 

P

[mark54]

1N18 was the 15:00 KX-Newcastle

1H02 was the 12:40 KX-Hull. The TSO at the head suggests it was the Saturday train. Second coach there is a BFK substituting for what should be a BSO.

1B21 was the 15:20 Sheffield-KX - The Sheffield Pullman with a Mk1 BG and a 1928 Kitchen First substituting for what should be a 1928 Brake Second. The Gresley bogies indicate it is "BELINDA"

1L26 was the 16:05SX KX-Bradford. (1575 is not Air-Braked which would have been needed for the Mk2a stock, so more likely it is 1515)

1A14 was the 08:30 Halifax/08:50 Bradford/09:20 Leeds-KX

 

 Thanks for taking the time to post your photos.

[Peter Kazmierczak]

David,

Are you sure the date of the EE Type 3 on the Pullman is April 1961?

 

Only 15 were in service by that date, all based on the GE at Stratford - though with some at Ipswich, March and Norwich, presumably for driver training. Would've been surprised to see one on the ECML.

 

Also, weren't the first examples delivered without the yellow warning panels?

Edited July 15, 2016 by Peter Kazmierczak

[DaveF]

David,

Are you sure the date of the EE Type 3 on the Pullman is April 1961?

 

Only 15 were in service by that date, all based on the GE at Stratford - though with some at Ipswich, March and Norwich, presumably for driver training. Would've been surprised to see one on the ECML.

 

Also, weren't the first examples delivered without the yellow warning panels?

 

 

Thanks for noticing that Peter.

 

It is my mistake, it should be 1963 - I must have hit the wrong key and not noticed it.  I've corrected the caption.

 

David

[Clive Mortimore]

The Pullman set in the photo is the Sheffield Pullman and Master Cutler and was normally six coaches, 4 BR Mk1 Pullmans flanked by a pair of pre-war Pullman brakes. The train in the photo has a pre-war parlour car and a Mk1 BG. I wonder if there was a problem with one of the Pullman brakes normally used and these two replaced it.

[jonny777]

All of which led me to wonder about the date. There are no leaves on the trees and not a great deal of sign of grass growth in the foreground, which is probably not surprising given the extreme winter just passed.

 

Easter was mid-month in 63 and from the historic charts looks to have had pretty miserable weather, wet and windy basically. The last week of the month can be ruled out due to pressure being too high for large thunder clouds to develop.

 

The most likely, weatherwise, was either Weds 3rd or Thurs 4th April where a cold northerly wind could easily have produced these conditions in Eastern England given the strength of the sun by that time of year.

The Monthly Weather Report from the Met Office mentions thunderstorms over Eastern England on the 3rd, with snow and hail on the 4th.

 

This is pure speculation, and could be completely wrong, but I enjoy these exercises - being a bit of an obsessive. 

 

I don't know if those two dates fit in with your records David?

[DaveF]

Wolverhampton today with photos taken in the evening.  

 

They would have been taken on the way home from visits to the Severn Valley Railway.

 

 

Wolverhampton Clas 47 up pass Oct 76 C3060

 

 

Wolverhampton 87017 up and Class 119 down Oct 76 C3062 edited to correct dmu class.  Many thanks to Rob (Market 65)

 

 

Wolverhampton Class 47 up 11th April 77 C3303

 

 

Wolverhampton Class 86 down 11th April 77 C3304

 

 

Wolverhampton 86227 down pass Oct 80 J7242

 

 

Wolverhampton 87014 up l e Oct 80 J7243

 

 

David

Edited July 16, 2016 by DaveF

[DaveF]

All of which led me to wonder about the date. There are no leaves on the trees and not a great deal of sign of grass growth in the foreground, which is probably not surprising given the extreme winter just passed.

 

Easter was mid-month in 63 and from the historic charts looks to have had pretty miserable weather, wet and windy basically. The last week of the month can be ruled out due to pressure being too high for large thunder clouds to develop.

 

The most likely, weatherwise, was either Weds 3rd or Thurs 4th April where a cold northerly wind could easily have produced these conditions in Eastern England given the strength of the sun by that time of year.

The Monthly Weather Report from the Met Office mentions thunderstorms over Eastern England on the 3rd, with snow and hail on the 4th.

 

This is pure speculation, and could be completely wrong, but I enjoy these exercises - being a bit of an obsessive. 

 

I don't know if those two dates fit in with your records David?

 

 

I can't be sure about the dates, but I suspect you are probably right.

 

If I had the catalogues for Dad's non railway photos I might be able to work out the likely dates more easily, but Mum likes to keep them.

 

Between about 1961 and 1965 we spent a lot of time on the family boat going sailing whenever the weather was not too bad, so the photos were probably taken when the forecast was poor for the Humber sea area (which is where we normally sailed).

 

However if it was mid week then I must have been on holiday from school, I can't remember the holiday dates that far back but I think we had three weeks off at Easter as half terms were only one or two days then, so holidays between terms were a bit longer than nowadays.

 

Dad didn't take any photos at all in February and March that year - probably because of the weather..

 

Hope this helps.

 

David

Edited July 16, 2016 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photos of Wolverhampton today. Very photogenic taken late in the day with the sun shining down at an angle.

In C3062, the DMU is a class 119 Gloucester Cross Country unit. The four big windows between the two passenger side doors, and the large guards van in the DMBC are the main clues.

In the last photo, the unit part visible behind 87014 is a Swindon class 120. The different roof vent spacing, and the fact the window in the guards van does not have a central vertical divider are more clues to the units classification. In the left background, a high density set, maybe class 116, can be seen.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Swindon 123]

In the last photo, the unit part visible behind 87014 is a Swindon class 120. The different roof vent spacing, and the fact the window in the guards van does not have a central vertical divider are more clues to the units classification. In the left background, a high density set, maybe class 116, can be seen.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

It's a class 117 or (unlikely) a 118. You can make out the center toilet window and the first class section in the photo. It could be a hybrid set, 116 driving cars with a 117 trailer, but given the date I doubt it.

 

Yet again a nice set of atmospheric photos Dave. Thank you for sharing with us. Just to add some of my own material to the post, below are a couple of shots of the same location from a drivers point of view.

 

A17-(JC6-075) by Paul James, on Flickr

 

DBR4-112 by Paul James, on Flickr

 

Paul J.

[stewartingram]

The Pullman set in the photo is the Sheffield Pullman and Master Cutler and was normally six coaches, 4 BR Mk1 Pullmans flanked by a pair of pre-war Pullman brakes. The train in the photo has a pre-war parlour car and a Mk1 BG. I wonder if there was a problem with one of the Pullman brakes normally used and these two replaced it.

My tuppence worth - from memory.

Mk1 BG was occasionally substituted, in fact at one stage a brown/cream BG made its mark on these trains I can't be too sure of the actual trains, but they were mentioned in Modern Railways at the time, and on my fairly frequent trips to the GN did see them.

In my book, at this time EE3 were rare on the southern end of the GN, apart from the Sheffield allocation. They were good for me, being surrounded by 30A examples (D6700-29) on the local LST-KLN trains! The Sheffield ones were as you say used in limited numbers on the Pullmans. I can remember walking round 34G one day, and seeing one there, so rare that I took a photo of it.

 

Stewart

[railsquid]

 

Hinckley Class 46 D178 down l e May 69 J1693.jpg

Hinckley Class 46 D178 down l e May 69 J1693

 

This one resonates with me - I spent the first few years of my life in Sapcote just outside Hinckley in the mid 70's, I have vague memories of shopping trips there. Looking at the map ( I suspect it's this bridge: https://goo.gl/maps/LC4N81BYeg42 ) it's unlikely I would have been along that road much if at all, but that concrete lamppost certainly has the deja-vu alarm bells going off - I wonder if they were peculiar to the area.

Edited July 17, 2016 by railsquid

[DaveF]

I may be busy for part of this afternoon so I've decided to post today's first set of photos while I am having coffee.

 

These really follow on from the photos earlier in the week of the High Dyke branch and beyond.  These photos are some more of the isolated BR section of line  between Buckminster sidings and Paines sidings on the Saxby Junction to Bourne section of the Midland Railway.  The rest of the line had been lifted after it was closed.  This bit was originaly left in situ for British Steel traind from Market Overton to reach the High Dyke branch, by the time these were take it was in use for the preserved stock at Market Overton.

 

As can be seen in the last photo some tacklaying was done to join the line to BR at Saxby Junction but sadly this did not happen.

 

 

Buckminster sidings Bass Carrington No5 and Peckett 1158 empty ballast Market Overton to Stainby April 73 J3165

 

 

Buckminster sidings Bass Charrington No5 and Peckett 1158 empty ballast Market Overton to Stainby April 73 J3166

 

 

Buckminster sidings view east towards Saxby, line to Sewstern and High Dyke to right Oct 70 J2416

 

 

Paines sidings Peckett 0-4-0St and Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred Market Overton to Sewstern special for RHDR and Whipsnade directors Jan 74 J3536

 

 

Paines sidings Barclay 0-6-0T Harlaxton and Peckett 0-4-0ST Jan 74 J3537

 

 

Paines sidings Hunslet Primrose No 2 on new track, view to east July 74 J3788

 

Edited to correct my typing again.

David

Edited July 17, 2016 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Now it's time for some from Nottingham Midland in 1969, 1976 and 1979.

 

I wonder if I've managed to get the dmu classes right this time?

 

 

Nottingham from London Road bridge Jan 69 J1544

 

 

Nottingham Class 46 probably Nottingham to Manchester Piccadilly Feb 69 J1553

 

 

Nottingham 45143 l e July 76 C2881

 

 

Nottingham Class 104 Derby to Lincoln July 76 C2883

 

 

Nottingham Class 116 Grantham to Nottingham July 76 C2884

 

 

Nottingham Class 25 down pw Jan 79 C4248

 

Edited to correct a loco class.

David

Edited July 17, 2016 by DaveF

[AberdeenBill]

Great photos of Nottingham Dave, but C4248 is surely a class 25?

 

Bill

[DaveF]

Great photos of Nottingham Dave, but C4248 is surely a class 25?

 

Bill

 

 

Thanks Bill.

 

I think it's just fat finger on keyboard syndrome, in my slide catalogue  have it written down as a Class 25.

 

David

Edited July 17, 2016 by DaveF

[Porcy Mane]

 but that concrete lamppost certainly has the deja-vu alarm bells going off - I wonder if they were peculiar to the area.

 

Looks like we've caught ourselves another, Tim Dubya.

 

Did you used to hang around a lot of lamp posts on street corners then? 

Girlings re-inforced concrete street lighting columns advert, c1951 by mikeyashworth, on Flickr

Note "By Appointment"

Its' the same bridge. Lamp posts . Something you rarely see modeled that accurately. Geoff Kent and Tom Mallard being to exceptions.

 

P

Publicist for the Society for Improved Lamp Standards.(4mm)

Edited July 17, 2016 by Porcy Mane

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi David

 

J1553, could well be a class 46 not a 45. It has the one piece headcode window and I think I can see the triangular grill below the main grill. This indicates a refurbished loco, Brush did all the 46s and a few 45s. Locos dealt with early in the programme returned to traffic in green, by the time the last ones were done they were repainted blue. The 45s followed on from the 46s so I don't think any refurbished 45s were green (I cannot recall a photo of one). If my information is duff I would be happy to be shown the correct info.

 

Edit. If it is not a refurbished loco, then it would be a 46 as they were the only ones built new with one piece headcode windows.

Edited July 17, 2016 by Clive Mortimore

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Good to see the photos of the line between Buckminster Sidings and Paine's Sidings. Interesting to see the works train.

At Nottingham Midland, the loco in J1553, as Clive has pointed out, is not a 45. I can certainly make out the small grille below the main grille, so a 46 it most certainly must be.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[great central]

J1553, I wonder if it's D85. Many moons ago I modified a Mainline Peak into that one, coincidentally with the same headcode for our Deepcar layout. I'd seen a photo in Railway Magazine taken at Deepcar when Manchester services were diverted over Woodhead in 1969. I'd also found another photo showing the opposite end which had a split centre headcode box.

 

Edit: just seen Rob's post above, in my defence I'm looking at these pics on my phone and between composing my reply and sending it using the patchy signal on the ECML, he'd confirmed it as a 46.

Edited July 17, 2016 by great central

[DaveF]

Hi David

 

J1553, could well be a class 46 not a 45. It has the one piece headcode window and I think I can see the triangular grill below the main grill. This indicates a refurbished loco, Brush did all the 46s and a few 45s. Locos dealt with early in the programme returned to traffic in green, by the time the last ones were done they were repainted blue. The 45s followed on from the 46s so I don't think any refurbished 45s were green (I cannot recall a photo of one). If my information is duff I would be happy to be shown the correct info.

 

Edit. If it is not a refurbished loco, then it would be a 46 as they were the only ones built new with one piece headcode windows.

 

 

Hi, Dave. Good to see the photos of the line between Buckminster Sidings and Paine's Sidings. Interesting to see the works train.

At Nottingham Midland, the loco in J1553, as Clive has pointed out, is not a 45. I can certainly make out the small grille below the main grille, so a 46 it most certainly must be.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

 

Many thanks to both of you.

 

David

[DaveF]

We'll travel the short distance from Cramlington to Morpeth on the ECML in Northumberland today.  The photos are between 1986 and 1991.

 

 

Cramlington North 56135 up Russell containers 31st May 91 C15898

 

 

Stannington LC Class 43 down ex pass 24th May 86 C7561  I have very few photos here, it's not the easiest place to park nor the safest place to stand.

 

 

Morpeth 31196 & 37073, latter damaged after freight train collision 9th April 86 C7371

 

 

Morpeth 5th Jan 87 C8177  Blyth and Tyne loops on a winter's day.

 

 

Morpeth 47522 down ex pass 14th April 87 C8296

 

 

David

Edited July 18, 2016 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Some excellent photos of the ECML from Cramlington to Morpeth today. In C7561 at Stannington LC, I can't help noticing how out of place the extension to the building is. And 37073 would make a model with a difference! But I don't think anyone will do it though.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[AberdeenBill]

What is the (signalling) function of the elevated position-light in C8296 (post 7194)?

 

Thanks,

Bill