Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Irishswissernie]

This mornings selection is just one view but with a couple of enlargments; OLDHAM LEES station back in 1929.

 

There are two enlargments one showing the shed packed with locos. The turntable appears to have been taken out and the track lead taken up. Sorry I don't know any of the loco numbers!

 

The second shows the Goods shed and part of the yard. Open wagons outnumber anything else by at least 50 to 1, modellers note!

 

It was 1929, depression years  and a number could be laid up. 

 

 

 

 

 

Probably more this afternoon.

 

If everything is going to plan Dave should be out of hospital today.

 

Ernie

[beast66606]

If everything is going to plan Dave should be out of hospital today.

 

Splendid !

[Irishswissernie]

Good Afternoon campers!

 

First of all Dave is back home and sounds in good spirits! He hopes if everything goes to plan to start posting again next monday once he can concentrate on what he is uploading etc.

 

Monochrome today. First a Class 40 at Godley Junction followed by a rather poor negative of the 'Night Ferry' at Petts Wood and finally 44840 leaving Upperby sidings at Carlisle with an up goods.

 

 

 

 

Ernie

[eastwestdivide]

That's a long Night Ferry! 3 fourgons and 14? bogies, of which 7 French sleepers and the rest Mk1s?.

The few times I saw it, towards the end of its service around 79/80, it was a whole lot shorter.

[melmerby]

I really like that aerial photo of Oldham Lees.

The only thing left of it is a cycle/footpath along the trackbed, the rest is under houses.

 

Most of the wagons seem to be full (of coal?).

Particularly notable is the number of PO wagons to the left and the fact that LMS branded vehicles make up possibly only 3 or 4 of the company wagons on show.

 

Cheers

 

Keith

[Market65]

Hello, Ernie. That Black 5, 44840, leaving Carlisle, Upperby Goods in the 1960's is so filthy, so unkempt. Typical of those last years of steam on BR, and makes such a nostalgic sight in the photo'.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[The Border Reiver]

The selection today.

The 60056 slide said ore 'mts' but I think they are more likely to be loaded. 

 

Unusual angle for the Leicester GC view; possibly the photographer used the platform in lieu of a tripod for the long exposure time!

Grove Road 60056 Iron Ore mts ca 1961 img211.jpg

Ernie

 

60056.. The only A3 I didn't see..

[Irishswissernie]

A few more aerial views this morning taken of Widnes ca 1928. These are extracts from large glass negatives.

 

First one shows the area around the ex LNWR station

 

Second The GCR/MR station looks somewhat out of it in comparison having been opened later when there was little space left in the town.

 

3 and 4 show some of the factories.

 

 

 

 

 

ERnie

[melmerby]

I'm always facinated by aerial photos of the railways as they show so much more than a ground level shot.

 

I've got six different "Railways From the Air" books on my bookshelf!

 

Keith

[JohnH]

Thanks for posting these Ernie - they really are fascinating images.

[Irishswissernie]

Thanks for the 'likes' and comments. I am working on todays Flickr uploads and wondered what was going on here!

 

Hexham station coal yard. After coal deliveries by rail ceased this 21t hopper was left in the yard. Underneath the hopper a brick wall + assorted sheeting has been built to guide coal into the weighing machine. I wondered how they re-filled the wagon

but the second image taken after the wagon had been re-claimed by BR shows the probable answer. A forklift  + trailer was now in use with a rebuilt contraption over the track.

 

 

 

All this was swept away and the site is now a car park but I think one of the coal merchants huts is now at Beamish.

 

More proper train views this afternoon

 

Ernie

[beast66606]

Come and work in Widnes No.8 - a signal box with pleasant views over the surrounding countryside (an estate agents version of a vacancy notice)

 

 

Edit - It's Widnes No.8, West Deviation Junction not No.4 as I originally posted.

[Porcy Mane]

A few more aerial views this morning taken of Widnes ca 1928. These are extracts from large glass negatives.

 

Widnes Factories west of Runcorn viaduct ca 1928 pn9.jpg

 

ERnie

 

Dittons Oil mill and Vickers fertilizer works looks downright pleasant in the sunshine.

 

Same place, different occasion.

 

https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW024956

 

P

Edited June 28, 2018 by Porcy Mane

[Irishswissernie]

2 very reluctant dogs walked (its 80 degrees F but feels like C here); C can mean Centigrade but that's not my interpretation today.

 

3 views at Grove Road on the ECML and the last one described by the photographer as near Loughborough on the Midland but that signal box is facing lines on the right. Possibly the goods lines or maybe nearer Trent. He was travelling south on an LCGB special from Edinburgh to St Pancras.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ernie

[Market65]

Hello, Ernie. A lovely collection of photo's from the ECML at Grove Road. and Loughborough. It's so fascinating to see a big pacific, Great Northern, on a short train which would be calling at many wayside stations. It has to be a good one for a modeller.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[Irishswissernie]

Some more Widnes aerial views this morning.

 

First one shows more industry and a small loco shed which looks disused. This may have been an original shed for the St Helens railway later part of the LNWR. There was a much larger shed near the

LNWR station. EDIT Railway Clearing House Map shows these lines round the shed as Private LInes and mentions Landowners Line and Hutchinson's line. Best place to find info would be Industrial railways /locos Cheshire (Industrial Railway Socy) probably but I don't possess it.

 

 

Second shows the LNWR goods yard etc.

 

 

Third  is the LNWR station which was built on a raised deviation line to the north of the original and avoided  the flat crossing with the St Helens Railway and the maze of lines into the various factories etc.

THe MR/GC loop line is above the LNWR station.

 

We can also assume part of the exact date, it was almost certainly a Monday and back in ca1928 coloured bed linen wasn't popular!

 

 

More from ground level this afternoon

 

Ernie

Edited June 29, 2018 by Irishswissernie

[jonny777]

I looked up the location of the top photo on the NLS website, but sadly it doesn't give any more details on the engine shed; see - 

 

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=53.3552&lon=-2.7378&layers=168&right=171

[Porcy Mane]

 

We can also assume part of the exact date, it was almost certainly a Monday and back in ca1928 coloured bed linen wasn't popular!

 

 

The First Picture:

The irony that Mr Gossards soap works (Just off scene and probably Lever Bros by then) was probably belching black smoke from its chimneys seven days a week, yet they still had the audacity to stick their bl**dy great advert claiming Restu washed everything right outside the pub. A bit more irony in that it's The White Swan in Pear Street!

[beast66606]

Some more Widnes aerial views this morning.

 

First one shows more industry and a small loco shed which looks disused. This may have been an original shed for the St Helens railway later part of the LNWR. There was a much larger shed near the

LNWR station. EDIT Railway Clearing House Map shows these lines round the shed as Private LInes and mentions Landowners Line and Hutchinson's line. Best place to find info would be Industrial railways /locos Cheshire (Industrial Railway Socy) probably but I don't possess it.

 

Widnes ca1928 AW Hobartc143 2 shed.jpg

 

Second shows the LNWR goods yard etc.

 

Widnes ca1928 AW Hobartc143 Lnwr goods yard.jpg

 

Third  is the LNWR station which was built on a raised deviation line to the north of the original and avoided  the flat crossing with the St Helens Railway and the maze of lines into the various factories etc.

THe MR/GC loop line is above the LNWR station.

 

We can also assume part of the exact date, it was almost certainly a Monday and back in ca1928 coloured bed linen wasn't popular!

 

Widnes ca1928 AW Hobartc143 LNWR station.jpg

 

More from ground level this afternoon

 

Ernie

 

Thanks for posting these Ernie, Widnes is a fascinating area and these are very interesting, especially comparing with the "now".

 

Here's a comparison for the third photo

 

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.3591&lon=-2.7345&layers=168&right=BingHyb

[dvdlcs]

Some more Widnes aerial views this morning.

 

First one shows more industry and a small loco shed which looks disused. This may have been an original shed for the St Helens railway later part of the LNWR. There was a much larger shed near the

LNWR station. EDIT Railway Clearing House Map shows these lines round the shed as Private LInes and mentions Landowners Line and Hutchinson's line. Best place to find info would be Industrial railways /locos Cheshire (Industrial Railway Socy) probably but I don't possess it.

 

Widnes ca1928 AW Hobartc143 2 shed.jpg

 

What struck me about this picture was the empty spaces in the lower right area. Pre-WWII so not clearance after air raids etc. Could it be virgin land that had yet to be built on? Or cleared from earlier builds?

 

I imagine that today the area would be covered in housing...

[jonny777]

The older maps do show buildings by the lower chord of the triangle, with Globe Chemical Works to the right. Presumably they have been demolished and the site is waiting for new construction; although given this was during recessionary times, any new building is probably many years away. 

[Irishswissernie]

This afternoons offerings:

 

A pair of 50's on an up express just south of Lancaster

 

 

BRCW Type 3 D6564 at Orpington

 

 

D77 on a train of 16T minerals Bromley South

 

 

Here in the Centre of Britain the sun continues to beat down, however the Monsoon is only weeks away; traditionally from 3pm second last friday in July to 9am first monday in September!

 

Ernie

[Market65]

Hello, Ernie. How dour Widnes was back in the 1920’s. As mentioned, thick black smoke belching from those chimneys, never minding the steam engines all made their contributions to the polluted air. No wonder washing was such a chore which could never be really successful.

The photo’ at Bromley South, on 12th, June, 1968, with Peak, D77, reminds me of how those inter regional freights were. It would have, all most certainly, originated on the LMR.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

[73c]

Like the photo of D77 running through Bromley South, never knew they worked that area.

[jonny777]

Hello, Ernie. How dour Widnes was back in the 1920’s. As mentioned, thick black smoke belching from those chimneys, never minding the steam engines all made their contributions to the polluted air. No wonder washing was such a chore which could never be really successful.

The photo’ at Bromley South, on 12th, June, 1968, with Peak, D77, reminds me of how those inter regional freights were. It would have, all most certainly, originated on the LMR.

 

Best regards,

 

Rob.

 

 

 

I have to disagree Rob, because although D77 was a Nottingham division engine in those days, if the train was heading back to the LMR it would have had a 7M32 (or similar) headcode. 

 

The fact that it is 7E32 suggests that it is going to the Eastern Region but via the Midland main line, but I don't have a Midland WTT for that era. 

 

I suppose it could have been heading for a number of destinations; maybe Colwick, or Mansfield CS, or even Worksop - it would be very interesting to find out.