Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[woodenhead]

Welcome back Dave.

 

I think this is the first time I have ever seen a thread with sickness cover, thanks to Ernie too for his shots.

[DaveF]

Mid 1970s BR blue for today with photos taken at Newark on the ECML and Midland lines.

 

Dad's family originally came from Newark but by this time there were no relatives there so it wasn't a place he or I visited very often.

 

 

Newark April 76 Class 55  Kings X to Leeds April 76 J5100  55020 Nimbus

 

 

Newark Class 114 Cleethorpes to Newark April 76 J5101

 

 

Newark Class 25 25065 down p w April 76 J5102

 

 

Newark Class 47 up July 76 J5340

 

 

Newark Class 47 down oil towards Lincoln Aug 77 J5735

 

 

David

Edited July 5, 2018 by DaveF

[Darius43]

J5340 - seeing the bike by the river the brings back memories of the summer of ‘76.

 

Happy days.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[Western Glory]

Mid 1970s BR blue for today with photos taken at Newark on the ECML and Midland lines.

 

Newark April 76 Class 55 55003 Kings X to Leeds April 76 J5100.jpg

Newark April 76 Class 55 55003 Kings X to Leeds April 76 J5100

 

Newark Class 114 Cleethorpes to Newark April 76 J5101.jpg

Newark Class 114 Cleethorpes to Newark April 76 J5101

 

David

J5100 - Both are blurry but to me the number and nameplate lettering don't shout out 55003 Meld.

 

J5101 - Leading car is E50022. Does this mean trailer is E56022?

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Newark photo's. So full of both interest and nostalgia. It's good to see both the ECML and the Midland lines. I particularly like J5102 at Newark of class 25, 25065 on a down permanent way train in April,1976, so well captured by your Dad.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[45125]

J5100 - Both are blurry but to me the number and nameplate lettering don't shout out 55003 Meld.

 

J5101 - Leading car is E50022. Does this mean trailer is E56022?

 

Some of the Lincoln set did have trailer and power car numbers in sync.

[35A]

J5100 - Both are blurry but to me the number and nameplate lettering don't shout out 55003 Meld.

 

I thought exactly the same as soon as I looked at it.

 

If you look closely, on the cab roofs at each end, either side of the crown, are the clips which originally held the horns on D9019-D9021 (and DP2), a feature which is not present on the earlier locos.

 

I would respectfully suggest, therefore, that J5100 is actually 55 020 "NIMBUS".

[35A]

J5101 - Leading car is E50022. Does this mean trailer is E56022?

 

Up to 1973/1974 they were almost always paired by the last two digits of the number, as delivered. However, by 1975 it was very rare to see a matching pair. I've just taken a look at my notes from February 1975 and a single day in the Sheffield area revealed 50005+56015, 50032+56032, 50039+56035, 50040+56045, 50045+56014 working - so definitely the exception rather than the rule by April 1976.

[caradoc]

Up to 1973/1974 they were almost always paired by the last two digits of the number, as delivered. However, by 1975 it was very rare to see a matching pair. I've just taken a look at my notes from February 1975 and a single day in the Sheffield area revealed 50005+56015, 50032+56032, 50039+56035, 50040+56045, 50045+56014 working - so definitely the exception rather than the rule by April 1976.

 

And I have scribbled notes in the back of a Locoshed Book from, I think, August 1976, showing the following pairs:

50045/56028, 50031/56033, 50030/56035, 50047/56008; Plus one matching pair, 50015/56015 !

 

Presumably differing maintenance schedules for power cars and trailers led to the mix-ups, much as BR found with the HSTs too.

[DaveF]

First, thanks to those who have looked closely at the Class 55, I have altered it to 55020.  I suspect it is one where Dad tried to read the number off the slide.

 

Second, I agree with the comments about the Class 114 sets.  In their earlier years they were almost kept paired by number, eg 50001 and 56001.  By the mid 70s this had become quite unusual to see.

 

David

[DaveF]

 Back to the Southern for a miscellany today, all from the 1970s.

 

 

Bax Crossing Class 419 MLV Ramsgate  to Victoria May 77 J5694

 

 

Dover Shakespeare Cliff tunnel Dec 77 J5903

 

 

Hollingbourne Class 414 6105 Victoria to Lenham during pw work April 78 J6017

 

 

Hungerford Bridge 4EPB Charing Cross to Dartford Mar 75 J4189

 

 

Rochester Class 411 down April 78 J6021

 

 

David

Edited July 5, 2018 by DaveF

[eastwestdivide]

J5694 headcode 50 was Ramsgate-Vic, but it would probably have picked up a Dover portion at Faversham. 

J6021 I crossed Rochester Bridge every day to and from school during the 70s, and very very occasionally glimpsed a diverted Night Ferry with a 73 up front. The bridge has since been painted out of its dull grot colour.

[DY444]

 Back to the Southern for a miscellany today, all from the 1970s.

Hungerford Bridge 4SUB Charing Cross to Dartford Mar 75 J4189.jpg

Hungerford Bridge 4SUB Charing Cross to Dartford Mar 75 J4189

 

David

 

Difficult to see clearly but it looks like a BR EPB to me.  A SUB would have been very unusual at Charing Cross in the 70s 

Edited July 5, 2018 by DY444

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Southern photo's, a great selection. I particularly like J6017, at Hollingbourne with a class 414 EMU, 6105, on a Victoria to Lenham service during permanent way work, in April, 1978. A great composition which captures the unit in that station so perfectly.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

A trip to the Tilbury line at Barking today, with a mix of BR and London Transport trains in April 1978.

 

How many of you remember Guy Norris, the model shop there?

 

 

Barking Class 302 Shoeburyness to Fenchurch St April 78 J6001

 

 

Barking District line R stock Upminster to Richmond April 78 J6002

 

 

Barking LT District line CP stock Ealing Broadway to Upminster April 78 J6005

 

 

Barking LT District Line R stock Richmond to Upminster April 78 J6006

 

 

Barking Class 116 Kentish Town to Barking April 78 J6008

 

 

David

[russ p]

Great pictures David, glad to see normal service has resumed

Why is Bernard Manning driving an LT train?

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the photo’s from Barking. The last one in April, 1977, with a class 116 on a Kentish Town to Barking service, is a great shot of one of the ‘made up’ four car sets. Always good to see such photo’s. I’m making no comment at all about Bernard Manning! lol.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[corneliuslundie]

Nice to see the photos of the silver R stock. I have always had a soft spot for them.

Jonathan

[DaveF]

Two locations on the Great Central this afternoon.

 

New Holland Pier wasn't too far from home for Dad, but I've no idea why he would have been at Rickmansworth - unless he had a meeting there for work.

 

 

New Holland Pier MV Farringford March 78 J5974

 

 

New Holland Pier March 78 J5975

 

 

New Holland Pier March 78 J5976

 

 

New Holland Pier removing track March 78 J5977

 

 

Rickmansworth Class 118 Aylesbury to Marylebone March 79 J6397

 

 

Rickmansworth Class 115 Aylesbury to Marlebone March 79 J6399

 

 

David

Edited July 7, 2018 by DaveF

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi, Dave. I like the photo’s from Barking. The last one in April, 1977, with a class 116 on a Kentish Town to Barking service, is a great shot of one of the ‘made up’ four car sets. Always good to see such photo’s. I’m making no comment at all about Bernard Manning! lol.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

Hi Rob

 

The Class 116 Derby units based at Cricklewood always ran as four car units. Three power cars and a trailer. Sometimes there were two DMBS and one DMS, some times two DMS and one DMBS. The middle power car could have the cab facing inwards not outwards as in David's photo. As four car units they mainly worked the Midland line Moorgate services. They always had an Ad-hoc look to them. 

[Swindon 123]

Two locations on the Great Central this afternoon.

 

 

Rickmansworth Class 118 Aylesbury to Marylebone March 79 J6397.jpg

Rickmansworth Class 118 Aylesbury to Marylebone March 79 J6397

 

 

 

 

 

David

David, photo J6397 is not a Class 118, the seat backs are too high and the top of the headcode box is the wrong shape. Being its a Marylebone service, it will be a Class 115.

 

Paul J.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Great Central photo’s, and especially those from New Holland Pier. Interesting to see the work in progress to remove one of the running lines in J5977, in March, 1978. The number of trains by that time would have not been enough to justify keeping two lines in use. That photo’, J6397, is correctly stated, by Swindon 123, to be a class 115. Apart from the seats and headcode box issues, the guards van was much smaller than on a class 118 too.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[jonny777]

Up to 1973/1974 they were almost always paired by the last two digits of the number, as delivered. 

 

Sorry, but no they weren't. 

 

For instance, in May 1968 (from my notes) 50006/56006, 50017/56017, 50025/56025, 50030/56030, 50033/56033, 50037/56037, 50049/56049 were paired.

 

50020 was with 56039, 50023 with 56001, 50038 with 56024, 50007 with 56019, 50003 with 56028, 50024 with 56038, 50001 with 56032, 50047 later appeared with 56024, 50043 also appeared with 56024, 50005 with 56018, 50003 later appeared with 56039, 50021 with 56011, 50020 with 56041, 50048 with 56005, 50003 later appeared with 56014, and those are just the ones I saw over a couple of weeks. 

 

Lincoln did try to keep them paired if possible, but they had a lot of services to operate in those days and in the summer with 4, 6 or 8 car trains running to the coast; they needed every vehicle they could get into service. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by jonny777

[31A]

J5975 - filling that signal lamp was not for the faint hearted!

[DaveF]

David, photo J6397 is not a Class 118, the seat backs are too high and the top of the headcode box is the wrong shape. Being its a Marylebone service, it will be a Class 115.

 

Paul J.

 

 

Hi, Dave. I like the Great Central photo’s, and especially those from New Holland Pier. Interesting to see the work in progress to remove one of the running lines in J5977, in March, 1978. The number of trains by that time would have not been enough to justify keeping two lines in use. That photo’, J6397, is correctly stated, by Swindon 123, to be a class 115. Apart from the seats and headcode box issues, the guards van was much smaller than on a class 118 too.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

 

Thanks to you both for correctly identifying the dmu as a Class 115.

 

It was a typing error on my part, Dad's notes say it is a Class 115, as usual I then got it wrong. 

 

I have recently developed poor proof reading skills - and I should really know better, at one time I proof read and tested identification guides for plants and animals.

 

David