Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[leopardml2341]

Renumbering of those still in the original number series took place in 1980/1 from 50xxx to 53xxx and 56xxx to 54xxx(these latter were the intermediate cars).

David

 

That'll be due to a perceived clash with TOPS designations (whoops ) for the English Electric Type 4 (D400-D449) and BR/Brush Type 5 (no pre-tops number series) - sorry daredn't mention the class numbers.

 

I'll let you all look 'em up.

Edited January 1, 2015 by leopardml2341

[dvdlcs]

Hello.

 

I stand to be corrected but how I used to spot the difference - at a distance - was that the 101s had three full height cab windows with the destination blind above the central window whereas the 111s had a lower middle window with the destination blind immediately above. As can be seen in the picture above, the reason for this was the four character train identifier, which was initially present where the destination blind is on the 101s, these having the (two character?) train identifier underneath the middle cab window.

 

Certainly in later years, show me a Metro-Cammell driving car and I'd be looking at the middle cab window and destination blind to determine if it were a 101 or 111.

 

Hope this helps.

[jonny777]

Yes Neil, it has steamed in preservation and in 1980 it went to the Rainhill cavacade and back in steam. There is a video/DVD of it leading the transit move away from Chinley after the towing (escorting may be a better word) diesel was pinched to rescue a failure. AFAIK, it has never hauled any fare-paying passengers in preservation though.

 

 

Here it is at Rainhill. Not the best photo I admit, and I probably have a front 3/4 one somewhere, but can't find it at the mo.

 

 

 

It is difficult to believe that this was 35 years ago now.

[Grasscroft Halt]

Regarding the splendid mixed DMU formation, I've never seen any explanation of the different lining styles on the Metro-Cammell units.  Was it one particular workshop or was it adopted for a period before the change to blue.  Does anyone know?  The style seems to have been more prevalent on the North Eastern region, but maybe that's because MC units were.

 

I aways thought it made a big difference to their appearance.

 

Regards,

 

David

A Happy New Year to everyone.

 

A visit to Pilmoor this evening with four photos of trains taken during 1967.

 

The fifth image is a set of signals without any track near them.

 

 

Pilmoor Class 111 (centre car unidentified type) York to Newcastle March 67 J789.jpg

Pilmoor Class 111 (centre car unidentified type) York to Newcastle March 67 J789

Note that each coach carries a different style of lining

 

 

 

David

[RANGERS]

A Happy New Year to everyone.

 

A visit to Pilmoor this evening with four photos of trains taken during 1967.

 

The fifth image is a set of signals without any track near them.

 

 

Pilmoor Class 47 D1577 down freight Feb 67 J768.jpg

Pilmoor Class 47 D1577 down freight Feb 67 J768

 

 

Pilmoor Class 55 D9021 Argyll and Sutherland Highlander Edinburgh to Kings X March 67 J786.jpg

Pilmoor Class 55 D9021 Argyll and Sutherland Highlander Edinburgh to Kings X March 67 J786

 

 

Pilmoor Class 111 (centre car unidentified type) York to Newcastle March 67 J789.jpg

Pilmoor Class 111 (centre car unidentified type) York to Newcastle March 67 J789

Note that each coach carries a different style of lining

 

 

Pilmoor A4 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley special Doncaster to Edinburgh, about to cross to up fast to work wrong line past site derailment August 67 J1056.jpg

Pilmoor A4 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley special Doncaster to Edinburgh, about to cross to up fast to work wrong line past site of  derailment August 67 J1056

The derailment was the accident in which DP2 was severely damaged and then withdrawn.

 

 

Pilmoor Sight test signals on old spur from Boroughbridge line May 68 J1321.jpg

Pilmoor Sight test signals on old spur from Boroughbridge line May 68 J1321

 

 

David

Can anyone identify the coaching stock in the train behind the Deltic? The first two B/G ones are easy enough but it's a bit trickier from there back.

[Leander]

It looks like the third coach is either a TSO or SK and the fourth appears to be a CK (corridor side facing the camera).

[leopardml2341]

5th is a mk2 FK, 6th a catering vehicle of some sort........

[DaveF]

A few from the High Dyke branch and ex British Steel lines this afternoon.  A somewhat more personal selection than usual.

 

 

High Dyke Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred shunting NER saloon and a Gresley coach Aug 74 C1765

I think a few passengers on the ECML were rather surprised to see this.  I believe questions were asked at a high level within BR as to what a steam engine and coaches were doing on a closed stretch of BR.   

Although theHigh Dyke branch was closed at this time it was still used for stock transfers to Sewstern and Market Overton.

 

 

The next photo and the one after it were taken on the day that Flying Scotsman travelled along the High Dyke branch and ex British Steel lines to reach it's new home at Market Overton.

As there was no internet or mobile phones in those days not too many people knew of the movement so there were few people about. 

Burton Lane level crossing 4472 Flying Scotsman from High Dyke to Market Overton Oct 73 C1427

 

 

Colsterworth 4472 Flying Scotsman Oct 73 C1428

 

 

I took this just before dusk on the way home from work.   I knew that a ballast train was due to be worked from High Dyke Junction to Sewstern and Market Overton but had expected it to run earlier so it would be across the level crossings, two of which were ungated, before dark.  As I drove past High Dyke every day I knew the train had left there and was quite surprised to catch it up on the way to home in Buckminster.

As the train passed sparks set fire to the undergrowth so I spent some time putting the fire out before driving to Sewstern to see the train again, by then it was too dark for photography.

Incidentally working goods trains across ungated crossings on country lanes in the dark is quite an interesting experience,  Especially as trains on the ex British Steel line were not timetabled in preservation days and hardly ever ran in the dark, so local drivers did not expect to be held up.   When possible we had two people, one on each side of the crossing with powerful torches to light up the wagons and also a red light to hold up towards any approaching traffic.  Cars always managed to stop. Fortunately we knew most of the local drivers.

 

 

Moor Lane Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred 16th June 74 C1628

This is on the ex British Steel section of the line, heading for Market Overton.

 

 

Market Overton Sectioned 35029 Ellerman Lines before delivery to NRM York Aug 75 C2296

The figure in the foreground is Dad, carrying his camera bag.  The sectioning of Ellerman Lines was carried out at the ex British Steel workshops at Sewstern, which Dad managed, the painting etc was carried out at Market Overton.  Dad is admiring the completed work  just before the loco was handed over to Dame Margaret Weston, the then Director of the Science Museum, which is the parent body of the NRM at York.

 

David

[leopardml2341]

There's a definite 'list' on that MN - all the removed metal I expect?

[LNERGE]

How did it get to York? Clearly it has been towed a short distance but surely it wasn't 'railworthy' as it must be unbalanced with all that steelwork gone?

[leopardml2341]

Dave,

 

First pic this eve - is the coach nearest the loco, the 'Invalid Saloon' now preserved, restored and used as an observation saloon on the NYMR?

 

Andy

[RANGERS]

A few from the High Dyke branch and ex British Steel lines this afternoon.  A somewhat more personal selection than usual.

 

 

a High Dyke Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred shunting NER saloon and a Gresley coach Aug 74 C1765.jpg

High Dyke Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred shunting NER saloon and a Gresley coach Aug 74 C1765

I think a few passengers on the ECML were rather surprised to see this.  I believe questions were asked at a high level within BR as to what a steam engine and coaches were doing on a closed stretch of BR.   

Although theHigh Dyke branch was closed at this time it was still used for stock transfers to Sewstern and Market Overton.

 

 

The next photo and the one after it were taken on the day that Flying Scotsman travelled along the High Dyke branch and ex British Steel lines to reach it's new home at Market Overton.

As there was no internet or mobile phones in those days not too many people knew of the movement so there were few people about. 

c Burton Lane level crossing 4472 Flying Scotsman from High Dyke to Market Overton Oct 73 C1427.jpg

Burton Lane level crossing 4472 Flying Scotsman from High Dyke to Market Overton Oct 73 C1427

 

 

e Colsterworth 4472 Flying Scotsman Oct 73 C1428.jpg

Colsterworth 4472 Flying Scotsman Oct 73 C1428

 

 

f Skillington Junction Hunslet 0-6-0ST Primrose No2 and Class 03 D2381 down ballast Feb 74 C1469.jpg

I took this just before dusk on the way home from work.   I knew that a ballast train was due to be worked from High Dyke Junction to Sewstern and Market Overton but had expected it to run earlier so it would be across the level crossings, two of which were ungated, before dark.  As I drove past High Dyke every day I knew the train had left there and was quite surprised to catch it up on the way to home in Buckminster.

As the train passed sparks set fire to the undergrowth so I spent some time putting the fire out before driving to Sewstern to see the train again, by then it was too dark for photography.

Incidentally working goods trains across ungated crossings on country lanes in the dark is quite an interesting experience,  Especially as trains on the ex British Steel line were not timetabled in preservation days and hardly ever ran in the dark, so local drivers did not expect to be held up.   When possible we had two people, one on each side of the crossing with powerful torches to light up the wagons and also a red light to hold up towards any approaching traffic.  Cars always managed to stop. Fortunately we knew most of the local drivers.

 

 

o Moor Lane Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred 16th June 74 C1628.jpg

Moor Lane Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred 16th June 74 C1628

This is on the ex British Steel section of the line, heading for Market Overton.

 

 

t Market Overton Sectioned 35029 Ellerman Lines before delivery to NRM York Aug 75 C2296.jpg

Market Overton Sectioned 35029 Ellerman Lines before delivery to NRM York Aug 75 C2296

The figure in the foreground is Dad, carrying his camera bag.  The sectioning of Ellerman Lines was carried out at the ex British Steel workshops at Sewstern, which Dad managed, the painting etc was carried out at Market Overton.  Dad is admiring the completed work  just before the loco was handed over to Dame Margaret Weston, the then Director of the Science Museum, which is the parent body of the NRM at York.

 

David

There were very few ungated crossings on the Corby system and quarry movements over them in partial or total darkness were extremely rare but I can remember heading along Gretton Brook Rd, close to The BSC shed, in January 1976 when a train was crossing just after darkness had fallen. As well as the Amber beacons on the loco, there was a van parked either side of the crossing with a flashing beacon and bizarrely, the flagman standing in front of each van waving his flag!

[DaveF]

How did it get to York? Clearly it has been towed a short distance but surely it wasn't 'railworthy' as it must be unbalanced with all that steelwork gone?

 

 

By road if I remember correctly.

[DaveF]

Dave,

 

First pic this eve - is the coach nearest the loco, the 'Invalid Saloon' now preserved, restored and used as an observation saloon on the NYMR?

 

Andy

 

That is a different coach, looking at photos of it the body shape shows a number of differences.

 

The one in my photo is the NER saloon No 305, now at the Ribble Steam Railway.

 

It was owned by Bill McAlpine, subsequently sold.

 

Information on the coach can be found on the Vintage Carriage Trust website at:  

 

http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=894

Edited to provide more accurate information.

 

A better photo to show it in more detail.

Market Overton NER Directors saloon 305 and GER No 1 July 72 C1018

 

 

David

Edited January 1, 2015 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Now for this evening's batch, from the Isle of Wight in both steam and electric  (4VEC and 3TIS) days.

 

 

 

Ventnor O2 W18 Ningwood running round Aug 57 J011

It's a very young me standing on the left in sailing clothes.

 

Ryde Esplanade O2 30 Shorwell pass Ventnor to Ryde Pier Head Aug 64 J159

 

 

Ryde Esplanade 4VEC 045 and 3TIS Shanklin to Pier Head June 75 C2148

 

 

Ryde Esplanade 4VEC 045 Pier Head to Shanklin June 75 C2149

 

 

Brading 3TIS 031 Pier Head to Shanklin June 75 C2152

 

 

David

 

 

[leopardml2341]

That is a different coach, looking at photos of it the body shape shows a number of differences.

 

The one in my photo is the NER saloon No 305, now at the Ribble Steam Railway.

 

It was owned by Bill McAlpine, subsequently sold.

 

Information on the coach can be found on the Vintage Carriage Trust website at:  

 

http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=894

Edited to provide more accurate information.

 

A better photo to show it in more detail.

Market OvertonNER Directors saloon 305 and GER No 1 July 72 C1018.jpg

Market Overton NER Directors saloon 305 and GER No 1 July 72 C1018

 

 

David

Noooo..........

 

The other one.

 

Thanks tho'

[DaveF]

Noooo..........

 

The other one.

 

Thanks tho'

 

Sorry Andy,  I read what I thought you had written, not what you had actually put.

 

The answer is that I don't know for certain.

 

I think that there were two or three Gresley coaches at Market Overton, I'm not at all sure which ones ended up where.  One was in blue/grey as an engineers coach, the others were still in maroon also as engineers coaches.  I've not yet found any photos where I can read the numbers.

 

One is possibly DE 320286, the ex Tinsley crane riding van - or a similar number.

 

The blue/grey one is DE320042

Edited to add bits

David

 

David

 

David

Edited January 1, 2015 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A really great double selection of photo's have been posted today/tonight. I like seeing Flying Scotsman on the High Dyke branch. Then there is a really teriffic portrait of  class O2, W8, Ningwood, at Ventnor, in August, 1957.

 

Finally, to go back to the class 111 DMU's, there were only 10 sets with the lowered middle cab window. The rest had a 'standard' three window front end - same as the class 101.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

Edited January 1, 2015 by Market65

[keefer]

IIRC the three cl.111 buffet cars ended up in Scotland (Dundee?), early 80s.

They were still cl.111 but had the buffet counter out-of-use.

There's a pic of one in blue on Flickr, I'll try and find it.

 

EDIT: it's in Brian Daniels' Flickr:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5808808267/in/set-72157626627223211

Edited January 2, 2015 by keefer

[DaveF]

 Another look at the Great Eastern main line this evening, heading north from Colchester in blue diesel days.

 

 

Colchester Class 47 down ex pass May 81 C5364

 

 

Dedham Class 47 Norwich to Liverpool St Feb 75 C1868

 

 

Manningtree Class 47 down freightliner with Ford containers 3rd April 76 C2661

 

 

Bentley Bank Class 47 Norwich to Liverpool St June 75 C2130

 

 

Bentley Bank Class 105 and 100 /2 Colchester to Peterborough July 75 J4494

 

 

David

Edited January 2, 2015 by DaveF

[lmsforever]

Thanks I would think that you could not take the Dedham photo as the foliage has taken over also Clchester to Peterborough in a 105 that's torture of the highest order ,rattling seats and windows ,exhaust fumes inside and horrible seat cushions .A pacer is probably marignaly more comfortable!

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Excellent set of photo's tonight of the GEML. There are some classic shots, in particular, C5364, of a 47 at Colchester in May, 1981, and C2130, of a 47 on Bentley Bank, June, 1975. The last photo', J4494, shows another of those hybrid DMU's. This time it's a class 105 Cravens DTCL, coupled to a class 100/2 DMBS (Gloucester RC&W).

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[DaveF]

A mix of steam, diesel and electric on a visit to Stafford in August 1966 for this evening.

 

 

Stafford Class 85 Holyhead to Euston Aug 66_J586

 

 

Stafford LMS 8F 2-8-0 48526 down light engine &Class 40 Aug 66_J588

 

 

Stafford Class 08 D3801 shunting timber Aug 66_J591

 

 

Stafford Class 40 D211 Mauretania down freight Aug 66_J592

 

 

Stafford Class 86 E3174 Euston to Manchester Aug 66_J595

 

 

David

Edited January 4, 2015 by DaveF

[jonny777]

These Stafford photos bring back many memories. My father used to stop for lunch next to the WCML on our way to/from summer holidays, and although we only had an hour by the line somewhere, it was the frequency and variety of trains which amazed me, compared with the regulars on the GN&GE in Lincs.

 

That 8F looks exactly as many steam locos did in those late days, and if we were not quick off the mark to see the smokebox number, it was almost impossible to know which engine we were looking at because the cabsides were dirty black. Heaven knows the amount of locos we could not underline, because the loco number was invisible.

 

In August 1966, the 8F had about 4 weeks of activity left, as it was withdrawn during September and cut up by Christmas; no languishing in a scrapyard for that example I'm afraid.

 

 

Edited: for typos

Edited January 3, 2015 by jonny777

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like tonight's photo's of Stafford. J592 is a good one of D211 Mauretania in August, 1966. I also like J588, the one of the 8F, on the same date, with, I think, D211 in the background.

 

Please keep the photo's coming,

 

All the best,

 

Market65.