RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Sadly Shirebrook is not very busy these days, however a visit as part of a 'tour' of the area is well worth while. There is reasonable if rather repetitive loco (oh look, a 66) activity at Worksop. Good 'circuits' to travel: e.g. starting at Nott'm (Midland) Nott'm to Worksop on the Robby Nood line; turn left and go to Sheffield and thus return to Nott'm (or wherever and however) maybe even via Derby; turn right and go to Retford or Lincoln, then to Nott'm via various, or Barnetby (on Saturdays and then to Donny or wherever really); turn left and go to Donny via Sheffield (no change); turn right and go to Retford, have sniff around and then to Donny. Return to Nott'm via loads of routes, blah, blah. You can even alight at Hucknall on the Rubbyn Dood return trip (if you go that way) and change to the jolly tram and alight at Midland; the tram through the Square is great fun. Have fun. P P.S. Dave......you can do this easily but obviously start from Donny, or Sheffield or Retford or Grantham or Newark or even Peterboro'. (As you very well know of course.........). Edited January 12, 2015 by Mallard60022 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 Sadly Shirebrook is not very busy these days, however a visit as part of a 'tour' of the area is well worth while. There is reasonable if rather repetitive loco (oh look, a 66) activity at Worksop. Good 'circuits' to travel: e.g. starting at Nott'm (Midland) Nott'm to Worksop on the Robby Nood line; turn left and go to Sheffield and thus return to Nott'm (or wherever and however) maybe even via Derby; turn right and go to Retford or Lincoln, then to Nott'm via various, or Barnetby (on Saturdays and then to Donny or wherever really); turn left and go to Donny via Sheffield (no change); turn right and go to Retford, have sniff around and then to Donny. Return to Nott'm via loads of routes, blah, blah. You can even alight at Hucknall on the Rubbyn Dood return trip (if you go that way) and change to the jolly tram and alight at Midland; the tram through the Square is great fun. Have fun. P P.S. Dave......you can do this easily but obviously start from Donny, or Sheffield or Retford or Grantham or Newark or even Peterboro'. (As you very well know of course.........). Thank you Mr Bradshaw Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 12, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2015 Some photos of Newcastle Central between 1986 and 1988 today. Once again no expresses! Newcastle 37069 down bridge sections 12th April 86 C7409 Newcastle 143024 Newcastle to Haltwhistle 1st Aug 86 C7802 Newcastle 45051 up parcels 23rd Oct 86 C8154 Newcastle 03078 & 45130 24th Feb 87 C8215 Newcastle 31403 Carlisle to Newcastle 28th May 88 C9496 David 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 C7802: Nice pic - but what a yucky livery! Apologies to all you Tynesiders out there. Slightly off topic but, for the T&WPTE, IIRC the buses had coloured bands denoting their operating region or previous company allegiance? Did the same apply to the T&WPTE sponsored rail vehicles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 Hi, Dave. Enjoyed tonight's photo's of Newcastle Central. Yes, interesting to see the T&W PTE livery in C7802, on 143024, and it certainly was a new unit about that date. In C9496, 31 403, on a Carlisle to Newcastle service on 28th May, 1988, is probably substituting for one of the failed class 143's. There were a lot of Pacer problems back then, which was soon after their initial introduction into service - engine, gearbox, and door problems all come to mind. Please keep the photo's coming, All the best, Market65. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2015 Proper Newcastle. Them were the days my friends. Nice ones Dave. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The next time i come to put down ballast....I will be re looking at these photos, The variation is amazing. And it i surprising how the light diffuses and gives such shadows and reflections....your picture from above...... I wonder if using a standing lamp you could even attempt to copy this. Lovely reference photographs, and the fact that you can place them makes them incredibly useful for reference re time period and place. Do you have any pictures where the locos are pulling mixed livery? I.E. Older out of date or another Companies? I have taken some of modern instances, and know they must have occurred. If you have covered this and I have missed it between visits I apologise in advance. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Whoaar, Newcastle man! Whey, worra memory. I'd love to model the Central....lottery job I suppose. The first shot with the old Fed brewery being dismantled plucks at the Geordie heart strings. Edited January 12, 2015 by New Haven Neil 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 12, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 The next time i come to put down ballast....I will be re looking at these photos, The variation is amazing. And it i surprising how the light diffuses and gives such shadows and reflections....your picture from above...... I wonder if using a standing lamp you could even attempt to copy this. Lovely reference photographs, and the fact that you can place them makes them incredibly useful for reference re time period and place. Do you have any pictures where the locos are pulling mixed livery? I.E. Older out of date or another Companies? I have taken some of modern instances, and know they must have occurred. If you have covered this and I have missed it between visits I apologise in advance. There are some photos of mixed liveries in the late 60s in a number of posts in the thread. It's also worth looking on my flickr site which has many of these images plus several thousand more. The link is both in my signature below and here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/ If you go to Albums you can look at them by area/route. I haven't got round to working on many of my newer images which show quite a lot of mixed liveries yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 There are some photos of mixed liveries in the late 60s in a number of posts in the thread. It's also worth looking on my flickr site which has many of these images plus several thousand more. The link is both in my signature below and here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/ If you go to Albums you can look at them by area/route. I haven't got round to working on many of my newer images which show quite a lot of mixed liveries yet. Thank you...I will check it out.....shall also be looking at the earlier black and whites that you mention you have of your Dads, I prefer my pictures with colour, but invariably if you want 'fashion' of clothing for figures, and subtle differences of era the black and whites of the time are useful tools. Thank you for the link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 13, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2015 Out time machine takes to the area around Kyle of Lochalsh in August 1973 for tonight's photos. Strome Ferry near Avalanche shelter Aug 73 C1343 Plockton Class 26 Kyle to Inverness Aug 73 J3324 Kyle of Lochalsh Class 24 5121 arrived on east side of station Aug 73 J3317 Kyle of Lochalsh Class 24 5121 awaiting departure Note open wagon next to loco Aug 73 J3320 Kyle of Lochalsh from ferry Aug 73 J3322 David 48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerrySVR Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Fabulous photos keep them coming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Those SR PMV/CCT vans get everywhere, don't they? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2015 Excellent, interesting to see what looks like a stanier BG in blue and grey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Excellent, interesting to see what looks like a stanier BG in blue and grey There were quite a few scattered around, including a couple (whose numbers I didn't note) with the gangways plated over. I notice that in the photo of the train arriving at Kyle, the open wagon is at the rear; it's only when the train is at the other platform where it is behind the loco. To me, this suggests that the train engine is about to remove it and place it for loading/unloading. There was some discussion on this forum fairly recently about NCL signage in remote locations; how about on the pier at Kyle? The pent-roofed building next to the unloading bank has a familiar yellow sign on it. When were the sidings curving off to the left (which served an MoD site at one time, I believe) removed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I would suggest that there is a period of time between the two shots at Kyle. The first one (J3317) presumably shows the train arriving, formed CCT (Mark 1), CK, SK, PMV (SR), PMV (SR), BG (Stanier), with maybe other vehicles off camera to the right. The second (J3320) shows two more Mark 1s at the bufferstops, replacing the CCT in the first shot, and an open wagon between the Stanier BG and the loco. Whether the open wagon was on the train as it arrives cannot be confirmed, but I would have thought if it was, it would have been removed prior to making up the train for the return journey. That being said, having reviewed the arrival formation, the only place the guard had to travel in was the Stanier BG, and that is two (ungangwayed) vehicles from the passenger accommodation... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Kyle pictures from this era always seem to have lots of 12t vans and lots of parcels vans of various kinds - what was all this traffic? I think the two former MoD sidings may have latterly been connected to pipeline construction traffic? I've also seen pictures of pressflos, and the usual ragbag of tube/pipe opens, 16t minerals and 13t low sided opens.... a fascinating and busy place, I would like to have visited it during the early 70s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) I would suggest that there is a period of time between the two shots at Kyle. The first one (J3317) presumably shows the train arriving, formed CCT (Mark 1), CK, SK, PMV (SR), PMV (SR), BG (Stanier), with maybe other vehicles off camera to the right. The second (J3320) shows two more Mark 1s at the bufferstops, replacing the CCT in the first shot, and an open wagon between the Stanier BG and the loco. Whether the open wagon was on the train as it arrives cannot be confirmed, but I would have thought if it was, it would have been removed prior to making up the train for the return journey. That being said, having reviewed the arrival formation, the only place the guard had to travel in was the Stanier BG, and that is two (ungangwayed) vehicles from the passenger accommodation... My guess is that the other two Mk1s were behind the Stanier BG, and so unseen, in the first photo. In the third photo J3322 there is a BSK (where the guard probably was), with a TSO on the left and presumably the other TSO and CK on the right that are closest to the buffers in J3320. I can't believe passenger coaches were left at Kyle so could the TSO+CK pairing have been locked out of use until the return journey to Inverness when all four coaches were coupled together, although that would mean no 1st class to Kyle? Edited January 14, 2015 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nigcuberail Posted January 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2015 One of BMC/BL's (in)famous J4 Pick-up's lurking over to the right of picture J3320 outside the warehouse building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) I would suggest that there is a period of time between the two shots at Kyle. The first one (J3317) presumably shows the train arriving, formed CCT (Mark 1), CK, SK, PMV (SR), PMV (SR), BG (Stanier), with maybe other vehicles off camera to the right. The second (J3320) shows two more Mark 1s at the bufferstops, replacing the CCT in the first shot, and an open wagon between the Stanier BG and the loco. Whether the open wagon was on the train as it arrives cannot be confirmed, but I would have thought if it was, it would have been removed prior to making up the train for the return journey. That being said, having reviewed the arrival formation, the only place the guard had to travel in was the Stanier BG, and that is two (ungangwayed) vehicles from the passenger accommodation... There wasn't long as there are only 2 images between them, as far as I know the second image of the 24 was taken as soon as it had run round and moved to the other side of the station. Perhaps twenty minutes. David Edited January 14, 2015 by DaveF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted January 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 This morning I spent a short time at Ulgham Lane crossing and Longhirst, both north of Morpeth on the ECML. Ulgham Lane crossing 66716 down l e 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5081 Ulgham Lane crossing 91 up 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5084 Ulgham Lane crossing 221 up 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5086 Ulgham Lane crossing 43315 up 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5087 Longhirst Class 221 down in snow shower 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5093 Longhirst 66230 up freight 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5099 Longhirst 66230 up freight 14th Jan 2015 DSC_5100 A mix of bogie and 4 wheel wagons. David 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The last shot looks like an empty pipe train returning from the north of Scotland to Hartlepool. The pipes are carried on the wagons with cradles, alternating with spacer wagons, as they overhang both ends of the wagon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2015 Interesting to see the class 24 in J3320 showing a full headcode, even if from several days previously when working in England..... The mixed train running in this period was the 0706 Dingwall to Kyle, conveying BGs, PMVs and CCTs and a CK on MSO. The return working was 1750 from Kyle, diagrammed for 9 coaches, only 4 of which has passenger accomodation. It was not unknown for fitted mineral wagons to be conveyed on occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted January 14, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2015 This evening we'll have a few photos around Tilbury. A couple more than usual as there aren't that many trains in these photos. Tilbury Riverside 302245 May 80 J6912 Tilbury Riverside ferry Catherine April 79 C4417 Tilbury Riverside Ferry Edith leaving for Gravesend May 77 C2737 Tilbury Riverside from Gravesend 18 Mar 78 C3723 Tilbury Riverside May 80 J6911 Tilbury Riverside PS Waverley evening 4 May 78 C3832 View west to Tilbury Riverside from Fort Road Dec 76 C3128 David 37 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I especially like the final picture David. Nice to see someone with the eye (and imagination) to record just an ordinary everyday scene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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