Willie Whizz Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Yes, as Hinge & Brackett used to say: "Patience is a virtue as well as an operetta". But please don't go all "holier than thou" on me, Graham and John. My little side-project was meant to be a diversion from my much larger mainstream project out in a shed, simply because at my time of life and with my other commitments I barely have time enough for the main scheme. So the whole point was to have been an easy to set-up, keep-it-in-the-house 'quickie' in construction terms, with all the stock out of the box or with minimal need for tweaking, primarily for fun rather than the more serious modelling on the 'other' layout that does aspire to some craftsmanship. Having bought an O2 and Terrier some while back, I don't want to divert onto something else, and it's an itch I have to scratch. I've kept thinking: "Next year, surely!" But it has been about 4 1/2 years now, and getting very dispiriting. I can certainly understand that problems can arise during development, and in manufacture; I'm not daft. But frankly, this is a little brake van, not a locomotive with sixteen different body variations to cater for; and anyway in my view models should not be announced until the development problems have been identified and largely overcome. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Willie Whizz said: But please don't go all "holier than thou" on me, Graham and John. We're not - but I for one struggle to conceive of a "a little brake van" assuming such a major importance. Surely a place-holder will suffice for the duration? It'll turn up in due course. As for Kernow, they have probably announced this model as a low priority, nice-to-do project - it's hardly going to generate a huge profit for them. If more lucrative (loco?) projects have encountered problems, I would expect them to divert resources to these, and to side-line the road van. Such is life - chill, stressing is bad for you! (How do I know)? Regards, John Isherwood. Edited April 16, 2019 by cctransuk Corrected manufacturer's name 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted April 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2019 Dont Smallbrook Studios (?) do a resin kit, which fits onto a RTR chassis for this? I've been tempted by one myself, as it seems to be a relatively easy way to get a respectable van. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Whizz Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 I suppose in my own head it's the "trigger" to make the start, that's why it assumes disproportionate importance. It isn't as if I don't have more than enough to do on the main project anyway; life keeps getting in the way ... I'd just like something to be "quick and easy" for once! Cheers M 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnR said: Dont Smallbrook Studios (?) do a resin kit, which fits onto a RTR chassis for this? I've been tempted by one myself, as it seems to be a relatively easy way to get a respectable van. They do a few variations on LSWR vans. All of the ones I have done have their own resin chassis/floors in the kits as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 hours ago, SRman said: They do a few variations on LSWR vans. All of the ones I have done have their own resin chassis/floors in the kits as well. I have built the Smallbrook version of the smaller LSWR van that Kernow has announced. It was okay as a resin kit. I tried building the Smallbrook larger LSWR road van kit but the castings were warped and broke when trying to straighten them in warm water. The kit I have has a Dapol chassis. I had to fiddle a bit with the small van to get scale OO wheel sets to fit. Build up the chassis and get it running well before building the body. I cancelled my pre-order for the Kernow small road van after it dragged on for years. But, when it finally arrives, I will probably buy one. The LSWR van I actually wanted was the LSWR 1543 brake van and I was holding out hope after Cambrian put it on their future development list. Unfortunately the owners of Cambrian retired and sold their business before a kit was developed. The new owners of Cambrian dropped it. Maybe they got wind that a RTR firm was going to do it. And now Hornby has announced the 1543 Brake Van as an RTR offering for late 2019 and I have a pair on order. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) The three Smallbrook vans I built (or am still finishing) under construction, in original LSWR condition. I will expect a higher standard of finish from the Kernow professional jobs, of course. I have one more kit untouched of a Metropolitan Railway version. LSWR Road Vans Progress - 2 by Jeffrey Lynn, on Flickr Edited April 17, 2019 by SRman 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted April 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 17, 2019 I also eagerly await this road van. However, in the meantime I have examples from Smallbrook to build. When they arrive, I will have a couple in various liveries. Until then...... Rob 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramshed Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 17/04/2019 at 04:01, NHY 581 said: I also eagerly await this road van. However, in the meantime I have examples from Smallbrook to build. When they arrive, I will have a couple in various liveries. Until then...... Rob Although accepting that this project may be marginal from Kernow's viewpoint and that it is not a 'crowdfund', the order book for these road vans are still an asset on Kernow's books against which they can borrow to fund development of this or any other project. The longer the wait, the more the value of the order book erodes with inflation and the likelihood that people will cancel (not me I still have 3 on order). As one who is barely able to hold a pen, I envy those (e.g. cctransuk) who have the dexterity and confidence to build their own rolling stock and so instead must rely on my reserves of patience. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 I'll be interested to see what colour the handrails are on the finished LSWR models. There are only black and white photos to work from, and from all of the limited number of images I could find, the handrails appeared to be body-coloured, which is why they don't show up well on my 18t road van above. I note from the photo at the beginning of this topic that the handrails are white on a preserved example, but is that because of modern safety requirements rather than an accurate rendition of the pre-grouping livery? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted June 7, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) On 19/04/2019 at 18:12, Tramshed said: Although accepting that this project may be marginal from Kernow's viewpoint and that it is not a 'crowdfund', the order book for these road vans are still an asset on Kernow's books against which they can borrow to fund development of this or any other project. The longer the wait, the more the value of the order book erodes with inflation and the likelihood that people will cancel (not me I still have 3 on order). As one who is barely able to hold a pen, I envy those (e.g. cctransuk) who have the dexterity and confidence to build their own rolling stock and so instead must rely on my reserves of patience. In light of recent events surrounding DJMODELS LTD I wonder about the future of this project? On September, 19th 2014 DJM Dave commented: - Quote This is Kernow product as they have commissioned me to make it for them, footing all the costs. Only they will be selling it and they will own the tools. One assumes it will still progress assuming KMRC do indeed have full ownership of tooling, etc? Edited January 11, 2021 by jafcreasey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 This and all of the other Kernow models have not been DJM commissions for some time. Kernow have been dealing with the factories directly. 1 2 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Yes, the world is a very different place to September, 19th 2014 ! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I pre-ordered the pre-1936 and post-1936 SR versions a year ago. But I'm now having second thoughts (about the options, not the purchase). Modelling post-36 SR, would it be easier to renumber SB003J or repaint SB003H? Was the only difference the red ends? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 13 hours ago, truffy said: I pre-ordered the pre-1936 and post-1936 SR versions a year ago. But I'm now having second thoughts (about the options, not the purchase). Modelling post-36 SR, would it be easier to renumber SB003J or repaint SB003H? Was the only difference the red ends? As and when we get livery renditions I'd expect both of these to have venetian red ends so the only difference should be the pre- or post-1936 lettering .......................... BUT don't forget the earlier style would have lasted for many years - even without Mr.Hitler's intervention ( I put my name down for the same two variants a couple of decades ago - or so it seems - for my 1948 layout.). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: BUT don't forget the earlier style would have lasted for many years Since my interest is literally within a couple of years of the changeover, this is a particularly pertinent observation. I think I'll just leave things as they are, and have a little extra variety! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrymx5 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Anyone heard anything from Chris at Kernow? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 These do seem to be taking some time to finalise and other exclusive products seem to jump the queue. Maybe that’s an unfair observation but it’s my personal impression. Hey ho, they’ll be here eventually and to be fair to Kernow they do post updates when there is news to show. I was debating whether to cancel my order when the Hornby Warner brakes were announced but I held firm. It would be nice to have an update though. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Another two months of deathly silence ............ surely if these vans ARE going to appear 'in 2019' we could be shown something more positive than the same old images that've been on the website for at least three an' a half years !!?! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Now, an old cynic like me might just wish this thread a HAPPY FIFTH BIRTHDAY ! and, once more, lament the complete lack of public updates on this project ........ .......BUT the guy on the Kernow stand at Woking on Sunday advised that they're checking final details as received from the factory - so we may not have to hold our breaths too much longer ! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I got back into OO when Kernow were commissioning Well Tanks and 02s - received them, played with them and 2 months back packed them away again leaving me sans model railway. Sort of glad I didn't order a few of these now though I think i will still purchase one when they finally arrive, just like the two SECR vans from Rails that have yet to appear that I did pre-order. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Wickham Green said: Now, an old cynic like me might just wish this thread a HAPPY FIFTH BIRTHDAY ! and, once more, lament the complete lack of public updates on this project ........ .......BUT the guy on the Kernow stand at Woking on Sunday advised that they're checking final details as received from the factory - so we may not have to hold our breaths too much longer ! But surely the whole of your current and future railway modelling doesn't hinge on the appearance - or not - of this particular brake van? If the extended delivery time is an issue to you, you could have taught yourself to scratchbuild in plastic card, and had the model running, well within five years! Regards, John Isherwood. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Sir, I have plenty of other projects to get on with rather than a couple of vans that I can hardly justify in my neck of the woods anyway ....................... but having said I'd purchase them when they were announced, I am now five years nearer my grave and have seen precious little official information to confirm that I'll ever see them - so when I DO get a snippet of news I'll pass it on for any others who might be waiting ............... of course, if I'm actually the only one who's ( still ) interested Kernow would be fully justified to cancel the project. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, cctransuk said: But surely the whole of your current and future railway modelling doesn't hinge on the appearance - or not - of this particular brake van? If the extended delivery time is an issue to you, you could have taught yourself to scratchbuild in plastic card, and had the model running, well within five years! Regards, John Isherwood. But everyone knows the minute you build your own and are about to add the decals that a superior RTR version appears in the shops. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted September 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, woodenhead said: But everyone knows the minute you build your own and are about to add the decals that a superior RTR version appears in the shops. I'm waiting for someone to do just that, so I can buy this thing! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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