Trainmaster64 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Here's an interesting point to bring up; not sure if anyone's discussed this or not but this seems the appropriate place to ask about this: I own three 'Railroad'-style 0-4-0 locomotives in my fleet; a Railroad Caledonian 'Pug' No.272, A GWR175 Holden Class 101, and a Pullman Class 06 for the 2008 Club Loco. The Pullman 06 has an SK code on its box; however the GWR175 101 has an REF code on it, and my Caledonian 'Pug', bought in 2012, has an REF code as well. This would indicate that Hornby started to use Refined before 2010 for production of some locos and possibly other items. The questions are, when did Refined start for Hornby, with what items, and how long has this been going on? If anyone has any products from Hornby from this time period (not just locos, but maybe trucks, coaches, buildings, etc.), let's check the codes on the boxes and try to put together dates and times. Be sure to indicate the loco and possibly product numbers if possible, so we can determine a timeline of sorts. To start, what are the codes on the other two GWR175 products? The Castle, I would assume was a SK product - but perhaps not? And what of the Achilles Train Pack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 R3115 Unrebuilt 34001 Exeter has SK code. R3204 LSWR M7 245 has CHL code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepallant Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 My Amazon sale Railroad Tornado is REF01-91200 R3060-11-852 I'm surprised that there is no date code anywhere on these things and I would expect some sort of batch tracing to be going on. Looking at the numbers following the factory code they seem to be incrementing over time so my guess is that the five digit numbers currently beginning 9 are the purchase order number from Hornby or maybe a delivery batch number either of which can be tracked to a date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Pretty certain this has been discussed before and that Hornby did retool the A4 so that both SK and REF had tools. Seems a bit excessive given that Hornby are moving away from Sanda Kan, suggest its more likely that the tooling was used by SK and the stock held by SK while the tools were moved to REF; their are reports of Hornby stock having been sat for some time in the factory before being despatched. Edited December 14, 2014 by Butler Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted December 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2014 Bought two new items of rolling stock, transcribed codes below: R6595 J. Hackett & Co. 6 plank open SK101-P90568 R6595-02-852 R6682A LNER CCT TAL05-P91483 R6682A-27-852 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lochlongside Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 You can add loco R3243-K1 - TEC05 Rolling stock R6643 - BR Shunter truck - REF01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted December 14, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2014 You can add loco R3243-K1 - TEC05 Interesting. As far as I am aware that's the first all new loco not manufactured by Refined ( REF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltic Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It is not strange for any manufacturer to bulk produce unfinished bodies, which are then completed later by the addition of tempo elements - running number etc. I recall a Dapol shot of their toolroom containing racks of Class 56 bodies - yes that far back. Hornby Hobbies are spreading production - not all eggs in 1 basket - slots, trains, die cast, kits and paint ( the latter being the UK). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepallant Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 My Amazon sale Railroad Mallard has now arrived: REF01-90355 R2784X-50-979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted December 16, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2014 Here's my few recently acquired stock Motive power HST blue/grey R3138 - SK101 P90105 Coaching stock Railroad mk2e R4624 - brake - REF01 91441 R4623 - 1st open - REF01 91441 R4622 - Stnd open - REF01 91441 MK3 HST ECML coaches with lights R4633, R4633A, R4694 , R4634, R4634a, R4634B, R4634C & R4595 - all TEC05 -P91020 (R4595 - P91232) MK3 WMCL caches no lights R4444A and R4446 - TEC05 P91018 Wagons (railroad) R6606 3 pack MGR - TAL05 P91476 R64733 3 pack Mineral wagons REF01 89156 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 J94/Austerity NCB Kent = CHL01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted December 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2014 R3107 T9 30313 - CHL01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted December 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2014 R3143 4-VEP Blue & Grey: SK101-P89998 R3143-39-852 Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 My Amazon sale Railroad Mallard has now arrived: REF01-90355 R2784X-50-979 REF01 need to use better glue - the buffer beam came off my Mallard when I was allowed to take it out the box this morning..... Hey-ho. Who'd be a loco at Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted December 25, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2014 R3143 4-VEP Blue & Grey: SK101-P89998 R3143-39-852 Keith Curious... Wasn't all Sanda Kan production supposed to be completed by last July, so where have these - and the other recent SK product releases such as Exeter - been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2014 Curious... Wasn't all Sanda Kan production supposed to be completed by last July, so where have these - and the other recent SK product releases such as Exeter - been? Reportedly the last production work that Kader (ex Sanda Kan factory) did for Hornby was in March/April of 2014. Maybe Hornby have only just received the container, or maybe stuff has been sitting around during the warehouse/distribution transfer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozwarrior Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I hope this helps: Arriva mk3s R4635/A/B all TEC05-P91490 Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beejack Posted December 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2014 Just made a impulse purchase of the Tornado Pullman express(£99) R1169 REF01 - 91285 Followed it up with a Railroad Pullman Coach "Rosemary" R4312 REF01 - 91285 Both new but the set had a 2013 mini Catalogue ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) In the context of the 'new' King Arthur N15 class 'Sir Sagramore' which was initially thought or intended? to be without deflectors, here is a possible reason why it was eventually made (by REF) WITH deflectors... It would require a crosshead vacuum pump and re-sited middle indicator lamp brackets at least to be authentically 1925-28 (not sure of exact dates) and possibly other things. I edited a pic of 767 'Sir Valance' with appropriate changes. What a beautiful engine! https://www.facebook.com/brsteamphotos/photos/a.378493222316349.1073741838.203786143120392/412994465532891/?type=1&theater correction; the latest N15 is made by CHL not REF. Edited January 18, 2015 by robmcg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I hope you don't mind me posting this in two threads? Reading Simon Kohler's latest blog while looking through my Mk3s - along with this thread got me thinking, What are the production codes of the newer Mk3s? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/87779-revised-mk3s/page-9 The last Mk3s I have produced by Sanda Kan are the East Coast ones produced for Modelzone, The FGW ones still available in Hamleys are REF / Refined Industries. But a post a few posts above by Beejack in this thread has the new East Coast Mk3s with lights produced by TEC. Could one of the problems with the inconsistences we're seeing be down to 2 different manufacturers producing the Mk3s for Hornby? My wishey washy FGW Mk3s TS & TF's are REF01-90592, R4370B & REF01-90592,R4369A. Unfortunately I've lost the sleeve for the presumably Sanda Kan produced TGS & TRFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy W Posted January 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2015 LNER hoppers - 2015 range new tooling - TAL05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 5, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2015 I've just received some Skaledale stuff - tunnel portals and the new rural bus stop - and they are made by the appropriately acronymed ART 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2015 ART? That's one that hasn't been mentioned before I dont think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 R4575A Thompson BR CL: TEC05-P91019 R4575A-46-852 R4576A Thompson BR T: TEC05-P91019 R4576A-46-852 R4577B Thompson BR BT: TEC05-P91019 R4577B-46-852 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) R3169 Hall REF01-90703 R3286TTS Class 40 TAL06-P91584 Edited February 5, 2015 by miles73128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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