RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 Can anyone throw any light on the operating periods for the various PO wagons being offered - leaving aside the probability that the underframe and tops are of different eras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 £120 for a Class 08??? Ouch!! Wouldn't be too bad if they got it right, 08 822 is SO WRONG! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Referring to Sanda Kan or Simon Kohler? Hmm maybe I should stop watching 'The Da Vinci Code' but I get the feeling there is something significant here. Sanda Kan = SK Simon Kohler = SK Maybe it means more second corridors coming next year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The possible exception is the Black 5 but I would probably go with a white metal/brass kit anyway. And this is not a particularly accurate model as the various available upgrading kits testify. I really like some of the fine scale Hornby offerings-...rebuilt Patriot. But that's about it. It's a very good model, as good as the Patriot. By various upgrade kits, do you mean that from Brassmasters?, because there's one also available for the Rebuilt Patriot. It doesn't correct errors, it offers variations and finer detail. With the loco, Gibson Stanier bogie wheels are a worthwhile upgrade. The main gripe people have, not sure if this also affects the Patriot, is the narrow ledge visible below the tender tank side. It's a consequence of how the tender is assembled, it can be removed though it's a bit of a faff. The tender axle boxes are moulded a bit shallow, simple upgrade from Brassmasters or others. The 'improved' Hornby Black 5's, by Larry Goddard and Mucky Duck, featured on here in the past, and by Tim Shackleton in MRJ, are outstanding models. Go with the kit by all means, but others should know the Hornby model is pretty damned good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 When I posted I indicated it was a pity SK was no longer at Hornby to see what appears to be a upturn in their fortunes. Of course I meant Simon Kohler. I do find it strange when people say there is nothing there for me, there is everything there for you, it's just whether you choose to buy it! I have no need for lots of locos as I model West Country GWR, specifically China Clay workings, but it has not stopped me buying Lion, Kestrel, 10000 and a Beyer Garratt this year because they are interesting models. Some models which would be very useful on my China Clay layout the Hornby Heavy Tanks are too pricey for the relative quality. I will wait and see if they correct some of the quality issues that they had. Of the new releases an S15 will be one of my purchases, and perhaps a K1. I see no point in depriving myself of a decent model ( finances permitting). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I think Chris is absolutely right that Pullmans clearly are a consistent seller for Hornby. They also regularly get double duty in 'prestige' train sets and train packs and get extra sales mileage there. You might be onto something with the notion that the prior Pullman tooling is no longer available/serviceable. I believe all the previous high-specification Pullmans were from Kader Manfacturing Services / Sanda Kan. Having said that, would I rather see Sliver Jubilee, Coronation or GWR toplight stock consuming this production slot over east-coast Pullmans? Certainly! I am right. What I said is based on what Hornby and particularly Simon Kohler have told me for years. Thats why they did the Brighton Belle. The twinkling table lights sell to lots of people not just enthusiasts. Haven't had a chance to examine the new cars closely but they do have LED lamps rather than fibre optics, so that may well have required retooling. I also suspect that there's a mod to the pick-ups to reduce the amount of drag which afflicted the previous design. For the non-enthusiast purchaser a set of Pullmans can go with any of the big passenger locos. Silver Jubilee, Coronation and GWR stock can't and even a non-enthusiast will recognise that. CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy P Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Has anyone else noticed that the three Railroad 0-4-0 tanks are named after members of Marillion? Jason Next year for the Kayleighdonian ? RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Would that sort of thing have been common on a maroon liveried mk1 anyway? Or is it modelled in a "preserved" state? It would seem more accurate (appropriate or otherwise) on a blue/ grey example... I got the impression, at the Margate meeting, that the graffiti coach was a bit of fun and that the design team had each put their own 'tags' on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 DBS Class 90, EWS Class 67, Network Rail Class 33, Network Rail 08, Network Rail HST Pack all on the list Much better announcement than i was expecting! Well Done Hornby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I got the impression, at the Margate meeting, that the graffiti coach was a bit of fun and that the design team had each put their own 'tags' on it. As Andy hinted in his summary: R4647 BR Mk1 Coach, Heavily Weathered, Graffiti, Maroon £24.99 - I can spot the names of a few product designers on there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 For the non-enthusiast purchaser a set of Pullmans can go with any of the big passenger locos. Silver Jubilee, Coronation and GWR stock can't and even a non-enthusiast will recognise that. There's lots of people (including non-enthusiasts) who would like something light blue on blue for all those Garter blue A4s out there to pull and proper Silver Jubilee coaches would go well with all those silver A4s in this year's line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I noted with interest that one of the Adams codes is listed as LSWR. If correct we get two BR versions and hopefully an accurate LSWR pale olive version but no SR version, at least not for now. Yes, indeed it is listed as "LSWR". LSWR 4-4-2T Adams Radial 415 Class - LSWR Preserved - R3335 Of course the description says this: "Livery: BR" The rendered CAD image here is certainly a representation of LSWR sage green. Hornby have quite a fondness for the LSWR livery. This would be their third? (T9 and M7 so far.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I've made some of my collections thumbnail only as, once again, Hornby are using my photos for some of their wagons without even paying a 50p download fee. I am sorry if this causes a modeller a problem but I am very tired of their attitude. In truth they were probably influenced by the mainland Chinese way of doing things..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I got the impression, at the Margate meeting, that the graffiti coach was a bit of fun and that the design team had each put their own 'tags' on it. Fun! Fun! This is the serious world of model railways, we'll have no fun here! ;-) ATB NIK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I got the impression, at the Margate meeting, that the graffiti coach was a bit of fun and that the design team had each put their own 'tags' on it. Think I can see the names of a few critics of Hornby and where they should buy tickets to ......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2014 I am right. What I said is based on what Hornby and particularly Simon Kohler have told me for years. Thats why they did the Brighton Belle. The twinkling table lights sell to lots of people not just enthusiasts. Haven't had a chance to examine the new cars closely but they do have LED lamps rather than fibre optics, so that may well have required retooling. I also suspect that there's a mod to the pick-ups to reduce the amount of drag which afflicted the previous design. For the non-enthusiast purchaser a set of Pullmans can go with any of the big passenger locos. Silver Jubilee, Coronation and GWR stock can't and even a non-enthusiast will recognise that. CHRIS LEIGH Well let's agree to disagree on this one Chris The non enthusiast is surely going to go down the Railroad route and I think you'll find it's these models that are in sets. They derive from Lucille in 1974 and the brake introduced in 1980. Non enthusiasts are not going to fork out £45-£50 on a Pullman when there's a £20 version available. These will only be bought by the real enthusiast , who already has rakes of the previous three versions. Simon Kohler may think Pullmans sell , and the Railroad ones may sell to the train set market,but there are lots of discounted high quality ones suggesting the markets had enough of these versions. Real enthusiasts also buy GWR Toplights and Coronations. Seems a shame limited capacity is being used on yet more Pullmans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I got the impression, at the Margate meeting, that the graffiti coach was a bit of fun and that the design team had each put their own 'tags' on it. I can't help feeling it's very toylike (as it is a bona fide fiction), and if the above is true, then sure it's a bit of fun, but it smacks a bit of self-indulgence to sell it as a result. Or maybe the Marketing team took that decision after a liquid lunch! Footnote: Each to their own, 'it's my trainset' after all. I personally hate graffiti - having given countless school presentations to young people about the dangers inherent in applying the wretched and moronic tags - so I'm obviously not in the target market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 There's lots of people (including non-enthusiasts) who would like something light blue on blue for all those Garter blue A4s out there to pull and proper Silver Jubilee coaches would go well with all those silver A4s in this year's line-up. And GWR coaching stock of literally any pre-1948 (ergo, anything but Hawksworth!) diagram to hang behind Hornby's King and Castle! What are Hornby going to do in their promotional pictures of the new King in 12 months time? Hang 40 year old, over-length Railroad Colletts behind them?! A critical gap in the range really: astonishing - but we've got yet more Pullmans! CoY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Moss Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 The graffiti Mk1 is entirely plausible. Lets not forget that Mk1's have been running in preservation in maroon for over 30 years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Just wondering if the graffiti is exactly the same on both sides of the maroon Mk1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ther are far worse things visible in the "modern world" than a bit of grafitti There's few things worse than the sight of a dead 'artist' in Barking carriage sidings after they've tripped over the juice rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 Just wondering if the graffiti is exactly the same on both sides of the maroon Mk1? Why not? After all, can you look at both sides at the same time? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2014 Yes, cos I have a mirror That's OK as long as it's not on the ceiling........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 That's OK as long as it's not on the ceiling........... Even then, shunting still looks the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Regarding some statements earlier about the Bachmann Thomas range for North America. The Bachmann 'HO' Thomas range is, in fact, 'OO', NOT 'HO', but marketed as 'HO' for the North American Market. Bachmann had done that before with some other train packs that it sold in North America, including a rebadged Airfix Cornish Riviera train pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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