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Glasgow Queen Street '88


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Queen Street in 89, the guys has loads of good old Scottish videos in his collection on youtube.

I used to see the 47s from the windows at school in Bishopbriggs slowing for the PSR after Bishy station, 1 also on fire as well which was quite interesting!

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Here is the signal decoder for GQS:-

 

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I have finally got round to making it after being asked by the team about how to drive the Traintronics signals which have been used on GQS. It is two decoders on one board to keep it all together. Each of the decoders will drive up to four signals.

 

The decoders are based on the DIY Decoder Project accessory decoder with the standard downloadable firmware, but use the motor decoder output driver circuit to get round the rather irritating common cathode wiring and 12V requirement of the Traintronics signals, 5V or common anode signals can use a much simpler decoder!

 

The little module at the top is a Traintronics signal emulator to test it with which demonstrates the 2-wire and 3-wire wiring options that are available. I suspect that the 3-wire method will be more straightforward really rather than messing around with diodes.

 

In case you are wondering what the little red loop is on the right, there are separate red wire inputs for the two decoders so that they can be programmed separately when required.

 

As an aside, if the layout ever gets backdated you could still use the decoder to power Tortoises for the semaphores!

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We're back! And not only to take the dust off this thread....I've had a job and house change and Chris has been up to his eyes in work but that's enough excuses...

 

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We left you in mid-May with the platforms mostly completed and work starting on the station concourse. However over the summer months we've replaced the platforms (hopefully!) one last time as sadly again the refurbed platforms began to heavily sag. The platforms are now constructed out of balsa wood cut to shape by Kevin, who joined the LYDCC club during the summer (and is a dab hand at woodwork!) which has been sprayed with textured paint. Although this gives a slightly darker texture, we began to find that as well as bowing, the fine ballast dust used to give the platforms their texture was going everywhere.

 

Kevins current project is the wooden frames and base for the Cathedral Street overbridge. The pillars (18mm dowel....and i've looked at far too many photos to reckon it's 'bob on'!) are attached to the platform bases so results in a very sturdy structure that will be able to hold the rest of the bridge structure. This has been measured and is currently being drawn up to fit....

 

Chris has began wiring in signals CQ2-5 and 7-9, with CQ6 waiting in a Traintronics box for 'bashing' and placing pretty soon. The custom built decoder mentioned above (Cheers Suzie!) has been tested with all the signals and does everything we want it too (although semaphores are out of the question :-) ) so by the new year GQS will be fully rigged up with authentic looking and operating signals.

 

Scenery work has taken a bit of a sidestep although ballasting is now pretty much complete. The platform edging is now complete and painted for each platform (including the areas where GQS Lower station passes under at the concourse end) and tonights little project for me (apart from posting this of course!) is drawing up some artwork for the various building interiors for the concourse. The scenery to the rear of the layout between Cathedral Street and the Cowlairs Tunnel Portal is substantially complete with the iron fencing now in place and suitably overgrown.

 

Stockwise, our Derby Area Group (members:- 1) has continued to churn out renumbered and detailed Mk2s. 5382 and 5300 have definately bolstered the fleet but i'm ashamed to say I haven't got any further numbers to hand....i'll give him a nudge to put a post up and save me (or add to?) my embarrassment! Chris is continiuing the conversion of the four Mk2Cs using a collection of Airfix, Lima and Bachmann Mk2 parts...

 

 

With the layout planned to be 'on the road' and at at least one exhibition on the cards in Summer 2013, work has continued although the thread has laid dormant.....and we promise to keep you up more up to date than we have.... :angel:

 

Dave

 

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If you would like to try your hand at signalling Queen Street as it was in 1988 (for £10) then a simulation has now been released

 

http://www.simsig.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103&catid=44

 

No connection, other than a very happy user of their software.

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Looking good I remember seeing a layout of queen st at an exhibition about 15 years ago had a incline in the tunnel and a shed area on the raised area really like the 47'7s on the mark 3's and d b s o's and the class 26's top and tailing passengers

Anyways keep up the good work will be watching with intrest

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I have finally decided this is the theme for my next layout
However it is in N gauge
There I have these questions :
1
From the above photo, could you advise me what size of points you used?
I appreciate these are Code 100 in OO gauge, but it should be possible to convert that to Code 55 in N gauge

2
What dimensions were used for the platform widths?

3
The twin crossovers just within the tunnel are missing
Did swapping trains between each track present any problems?

Equally, I have noted that the tunnel mouth is not completely in alignment with the parallel Platforms 4/5/6
This now makes sense as to why I could stand on Platform 2 and see trains arriving within the tunnel

Was any modellers licence used for the track layout / platform arrangements?
For example, Platform 7 appears shorter than I remember it (as the end of the platform was beyond the signal on Platform 6)

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From the above photo, could you advise me what size of points you used?

I appreciate these are Code 100 in OO gauge, but it should be possible to convert that to Code 55 in N gauge

I am now in a position to order all the required trackwork

However, I am still struggling to decide what points to order

It looks to me like there are two sizes in use, either :

large and medium

or

medium and small

 

Any and all help appreciated

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I am now in a position to order all the required trackwork

However, I am still struggling to decide what points to order

It looks to me like there are two sizes in use, either :

large and medium

or

medium and small

 

Any and all help appreciated

 

The Peco N gauge range is not directly comparable with the OO, so you will need to make your own mind up. The large radius is 3ft which would be 6ft in OO whereas it is 5ft. Likewise the medium is 2ft which would be 4ft in OO not 3ft. And the crossing angle is a rather better 10deg rather than 12.

So, as last poster says, you will really need to do your own research and design. But my guess is that most should be large radius.

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Not being funny, but I'm not sure why, having spent many many hours doing their research, the guys should then give out every bit of info so someone doesn't have to go out of their way when building a 1/2 scale model of their layout?

 

Turn it the other way - refer back to the starting posts of this topic. .Why should anyone give up there own research to help out the builders of the layout who could equally do the same thing?  It's what this hobby is about - no one's obliged to give out anything for free but it's generally what happens and most folk are appreciative.  Many layouts would never be built (or not built with some semblance of accuracy if it were not for the things done by others. 

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The initial request was simply to establish what size of points had been used on the OO gauge layout
I could then work out how this would translate to N gauge

Having compared the original track plan (which is pretty much still in effect) the main crossover which feeds Platforms 3/4 presents a problem as it is a combination, not possible with any of the currently available ranges
 

Sadly Network Rail have declined my request for any technical information, as the track plan and engineering currently exist
However, I do have an appointment with ScotRail to arrange a full day taking measurements, but this is limited to the platforms and main concourse

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The initial request was simply to establish what size of points had been used on the OO gauge layout

I could then work out how this would translate to N gauge

Having compared the original track plan (which is pretty much still in effect) the main crossover which feeds Platforms 3/4 presents a problem as it is a combination, not possible with any of the currently available ranges

 

Sadly Network Rail have declined my request for any technical information, as the track plan and engineering currently exist

However, I do have an appointment with ScotRail to arrange a full day taking measurements, but this is limited to the platforms and main concourse

 

We all run into this problem when trying to build accurate models of prototype locations. Commercial model points are not much like the real thing. You may have to compromise or else build your own. You may be able to get round it by modifications to the Peco points.

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We all run into this problem when trying to build accurate models of prototype locations. Commercial model points are not much like the real thing. You may have to compromise or else build your own. You may be able to get round it by modifications to the Peco points.

The OP also had this same issue, they decided to use what was readily available

As it is, I doubt anyone would notice the difference, unless they compared the layout against photos of the location

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I am disappointed the OP has not yet responded
I have managed to source yet more pictures of Glasgow Queen Street, which confused the issue further

 

I had planned to recreate the track layout between 1984 and 1996
However, photos have now shown three different layouts existed!
The carriage siding track was lifted, so that is not an issue
However in 1985 there was a brief period where there was no track to Platform 1, the point was then relocated and reinstated
I have therefore selected the layout from 1987 onwards

I have purchased all but one set of points, as I am still uncertain what size it is
This is the point that leads into Platform 7
The point that leads into Platform 6 / 5 and 4, appears to be slightly shorter
I suspect this (missing) point is the same length as the one on the opposite track, having purchase a large appears to be the nearest available

Any further advice is welcome
The next stage is to commence laying of the track, but the dimensions for the platforms is severly lacking, and I am no further forward with either Network Rail or ScotRail
 

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That photo looks to be from about 1996, as the advert above the staff accomodation on Platform 4/5 has a Scotsman advert
I have a similar photo with 47642 with a Glasgow Miles Better advert
However, for my own layout I already have 26007 in TPG Coal livery
I am just waiting for the Farish Mark 2A coaches in Blue / Grey livery to be released

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It was actually in Feb 1990! Have you got a layout topic set up for your n-gauge version?

No, as I have a rather long topic on another forum (specialist N gauge), a website, and a Facebook page

I am trying to avoid duplication across numerous forums

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