Waverley47708

Our exhibition manager is keeping me is suspense about some "exciting layouts" he has booked for this year - sounds intriguing. Nevertheless I have managed to get out of him we are expecting 42 layouts and the total number of stands will be around 100 as has become normal for us. He also tells me he has already booked 9 layouts for 2019. But that is for another day. Once I get the gen out of him for this year I will post it on the original post for this topic.

Pretty sure others with better knowledge than me have stated that the light (and dark grey) on Intercity Executive, Swallow and ScotRail was the same. Therefore as I was wanting a rake of ScotRail coaches the light grey on the first release is of interest to me. I am pretty sure a few years ago Oxford did a questionnaire regarding their then proposed Mk3s. This included what liveries people wanted, and pretty sure they asked about the colour and whether people's preferences was that it was authentic to the real colour or that it matched existing models. If it turns out not to match the real light grey (NB I said if) it may be because we "voted" for the livery to match existing models. My Lima (with detailed interiors, passengers and lazerglase tinted and flush Windows) and my converted DBSO (resprayed with railmatch light grey) match livery wise my Bachmann 477. Think I will wait til I see what the ScotRail ones look like with a Bachmann 477 and the long awaited Bachmann DBSO before buying a rake or two. Since Executive, Swallow and ScotRail all had the same light grey I am assuming the ScotRail ones will come out the same as the current one. If they light grey is wrong, while they may alter later batches of what I assume may be more popular Intercity liveries I wonder if ScotRail versions would be redone. Would also like to see more info on comments about the coupling gap in relation to the current Hornby one's. Interested to see if the ScotRail versions will have Central Door Locking lights and the wee handle which I presume was associated with the CDL system, hoping not. Hopefully Oxford will be at Glasgow next month and maybe we can ask about these issues.

Looks like DCC versions will be around £20 more than non DCC versions. A bit frustrated as a non DCC modeller with no intentions of going DCC that I am going to have to pay an extra £20 for each of the the two (DCC) DBSOs I was planning to buy to replace my conversions I did years ago. I don't assume there will be a market for chips removed from DBSOs. I appreciate it may not that straightforward as the non DCC version would have hopefully had working lights like a non DCC loco, mind you this was achieved years ago with dummy HST power cars. This may be the reason why Bachmann have opted for the approach they have taken. Nevertheless would have much preferred to have the option for a slightly cheaper non DCC version. It will almost be like a buy 2 get one free deal in reverse for me, buy 2 DCC versions for (almost) the price of 3 non DCC coaches.

Keep visiting to watch the build-up to our Celebration of Model Railways 2018 Perth & District MRC presents A Celebration of Model Railways 2018 The Dewars Centre, Glover Street, Perth PH2 0TH June 23rd & June 24th 2018 In the meantime you can download a flyer from the show. Flyer 2018.pdf We are delighted that our show has been shortlisted for the second year in the row for the British Model Railway Awards Exhibition of the Year Layouts We are pleased to present 42 model railways as listed below (list not complete yet): 16 mm Scale Gordonstoun by The East of Scotland 16 mm Group O Gauge Arcadia Pennsylvania Terminal by David George Teesside Steel by RAF Kinloss MRC Cragganmore by Elgin MRC North Foreland by John and Peter Smith Vintage and Modern Tinplate Railways by Graham Pascall Big, Black, Hot and Dirty by Dale Smith Johnstown Road by Barrowmore MRC Aber and Emlyn by Great Yarmouth MRC Oe Gauge Zauberwaldbahn by Axel Klozenbuecher O-16.5 Talybont by Edinburgh & Lothians MRC OO Gauge Old Blarney by Perth & District MRC Arnside by Greig Mackenzie (4mm finescale) Thorne Yard by Simon Howard Ashdan Junction (The Summer of '76) by Barry Platt Overlord by Chris Mead Spilsby by Mike and Andrew Sharpe Carrowbeg by Ian Mulroy Victoria Road by Bradford MRC Chawton by Ian Lamb Arbroath by Dundee MRC Eastgate-on-Sea by Cupar & District MRC Springwood by Stirling & Clackmannanshire MRC Outen Road by Bonnybridge MRC Inverboyndie by Greenock MRC Triang-Hornby 1965-1971 by David Coddington Waddon Marsh by Scottish Diesel and Electric Group Perceton by Ayr MRC P4 Calderside by West of Scotland 4mm Group EM Gauge Kirkmellington by Graham Bucknell Harkness by Tony Bucknell HO Gauge Rippon Cement by Gordon Robinson HOm Gauge Handegg by Graham and Martin Arnold Untermutten by Ian and Helen Gould N Gauge St Combs by Raven MRG Llwyn Grug by Les Nehrlich Leven Bank by Glenrothes MRC Ronshafen by Falkirk MRC Glenellen Castle by David Harrison Z Gauge St Adrian by East Neuk MRC Commercial Exhibitors Phoenix Precision Paints JDM Models Greenscene Plus Daughters Eileen's Emporium Cheltenham Model Centre WM Collectables Buckie Model Centre Tri-ang Man Megapoint Controllers Grimy Times Contikits Douglas Blades Footplate Models Scottish Garden Railways Ten Commandments Model Railway Baseboards North Road Trains Squires Model & Craft Tools The Model Tree Shop D&E Videos - Realtrack Models Brian Collier/Alan Jones Layouts4U Finishing Touches Harburn Hobbies Ltd. The Tower Collection, Blackpool Tynedale Trains KS Laser Designs Ltd. The Junction Box The Hamilton Toy Collection Digitrains Model Roads and Tramways C&L Finescale Railwayana Auctions UK Ltd Northumbrian Painting Services Scenic Route Models Durham Trains of Stanley Societies Highland Railway Society Locomotive Owners Group (Scotland) Ltd Scalefour Society EM Gauge Society Caledonian Railway Association MERG NMRA GNSR Association Keith & Dufftown Railway European Railways Association 2 mm Scale Association Double O Gauge Association North British Railway Study Group Commercial trade list still to be completed, societies and demonstrators will follow soon. Manufacturer DJ Models Demonstrations Scottish Modellers Thistle Modelmakers Roland Turner Seminars To follow.

The Friday of the show is one of the first days leave I book off work when I return to work after the Christmas break. Looking forward to the show, although not sure what to make of the sudden upsurge in 47708s which are about to appear all over the place!

Thanks for the information, still wondering if anyone knows why the red stripe version was introduced?

C for Cowdenbeath! Could even predict that if taken in the 80s would have been a 101 or 20s. Was brought up near that line with it relatively narrow range of traction. Inverkeithing a few miles away with its 47s, 27s, 26s, 101s and HSTs was a revelation. Your wonderful photos capture what I missed elsewhere on the network. Thanks for all your posts and to all the comments made by you and others to go along with them. This is still one of my favourite forums.

Always happy to engage with visitors when we are at exhibitions. I cant imagine exhibiting and then ignoring those who have taken the time to look at your layout. Loads of examples. Answering questions about a piece of rolling stock, explaining how something was built, explaining how say flexi track is used or wires are soldered to track etc etc Accommodating a request to see a particular train they have seen in the fiddle yard, or slowing one down to allow a train to be photographed at a particular point on the layout. Last year we were exhibiting at an event with a layout in mid 80s guise.. At one point there was only a few visitors, I heard a boy talking to his dad, they look like Mk2 coaches he said, impressive I thought (better than half my club), then later on I heard him trying to decide if the coaches passing him were Mk2 d, e or f, very impressive (better than most of my Mk1 maroon liveried loving fellow club members!). So we had a wee blether about the differences in Mk2 coaches, then when things quietened down a bit more, we invited him in to help operate, he had a ball and stayed for hours. He and his dad now come to our club on a regular basis travelling the best part of a hour. Yes as per the OP sometimes things go wrong and the focus has to be getting the trains running, but even then it is unlikely all the layout operators will or can be engaged in dealing with the issue. Quite often the less technical amongst us find we have a wee bit free time for a blether with the visitors who are wondering why not much is happening at that precise moment. One of our previous layouts, Barnhill Camp had the control panel and stool for the yard area out the front amongst the visitors while the panel for the twin loops was located in the "normal" location inside the layout. The yard area was based on a yard where WW2 tanks etc. were being loaded onto trains in preparation for D Day. The layout was built to display a former members interest and by default he used to sit out front, he was best placed to explain every train and piece of military hardware featured on the layout.

Hornby MK2 E with repainted ends. Looking at photos from the 80, perhaps a hint of brown may have been better.

Had a hunt in my paint box, went for Humbrol 72, Matt Khaki Drill, it is a v light grey / brown colour. Will get a photo next time i pop up to the layout.

Ok have been doing a bit more searching and found these photos of Mk2e coaches (do you know how hard it is to get a photo of a coach end!). So to answer my own question, when people refer to fawn it was a lot lighter than I had envisaged and it think someone referred to a putty colour which a pretty good description. It almost looks light grey, cream or very light brown. Looks like I need to have a look in my paint box for a different colour to what I have used and do a quick repaint. and

Have repainted my Hornby ex Airfix MK2Ds end doors red, my Hornby Mk2E and Lima Mk2F a light brown fawn colour. The Mk2Ds were white both ends, the MK2Es were black at one end white at the other and the Mk2F black both ends. Confusingly when searching for images to try to get an idea of what fawn looked like all I could find was white end doors. These were on MK2F in current or recent deliveries rather than from the 80s. https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardajones/8653214334/in/photolist-eZLFDE-cpAohu-ggCFNR-dchMWU-e8rYDG-WunaVK-cREWbd-dbRaBc-cREShu-nH7no6-dcqygP-bmWwwf-dcFqKZ-dcqk89-dot4QP-dotgLH-nAv3ZU-ebDZ9A-da5syM-w8mRXE-pXe3BB-nfRwru-ecDb2R-pxdShd-fj5cUt-ptFf1L-db9AA5-qujbxT-9H3Sy1-qk5DnX-8SM2aE-aCJgWG-fJVpPA-dvsE5J-daFw9e-nqULU3-vLpM18-qBrXyJ-UtY62E-nm42gk-fj5gJ6-niuzGP-WryYdC-nH7jiP-CpYBbU-8ToRmN-GkVt95-kMGX8Y-mFfEwx-coKUP3 We're they been changed to white, or when people refer to fawn do they mean the colour in the above photo or have they weathered so much they just appear white? Has anyone got photos of them in the 80s so I can get an idea of what colour I should be aiming for. Ta

Found these two on Flickr which may be of interest. The first is a group, British Rail Edinburgh to Glasgow push pull photos, the second is a gallery, ScotRail Express https://www.flickr.com/groups/2858153@N25/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/151135632@N04/galleries/72157683868581784/ Enjoy.

Back in 1986 for those of us who were Rail Riders, a photo of 47406 would have been sent to the club to be published in the club magazine, possibly for a prize. I have a vague memory of one magazine with the exciting news 47406 had been painted into Intercity. I think it was the first time I had seen the livery. Also have a possibly vaguer memory of a story in the same edition that it stood in for the 47 named Night Mail which had not been repainted into Intercity in time to star in an advert featuring 47 on the West Coast mail as part of the BR advert based on the poem Night Mail.

Was just wondering about something related to Railfreight livery recently, as above the earlier locos (37s snd 47s anyway) which carried it did not have the red band low down, however on later versions this appeared. According to Slilley a couple of years earlier than I had read elsewhere which may be good news as I have a red stripe version 37 which I always had suspicions about that it may be a year too late for my 85/86 layout. My question is does anyone know why the red band was introduced. From the front the original Railfreght version was similar to large logo, especially once the roof was grimey, was it to distinguish a Railfreight loco from other liveries when viewed from the front? Another thought perhaps the red stripe version of Railfreight appeared on the original Railfreight livery 37s and 47s to match the red stripe which had been on the 58s and 20s in Railfreight which had had the red along the bottom of the body from the beginning.

Agree regarding the GUV and BGs, the footage is a wee bit blurred which may be why they looked like something else. Was surprised to see an Intercity liveried loco with four digit headcode box, at 18 mins 06 secs. I imagine the 83 must have pretty much unique in that regard.

Perhaps a year or two too early but a good 10mins or so footage from Euston towards the end. Great layout, do like a large (semi) terminus at a Capital city! Because Waverley seemed to have a fairly predictable pattern as far as which trains used which platforms I have build it so that a train leaves its platform, goes round the layout in a loop then enters the same track but stays hidden as it stops short of appearing in the visible section of the track it departed from. When its time comes to arrive again it goes back round the layout in the opposite direction, then arrives again in the same track it left but stays visible in the scenic section. In effect the station is one big fiddle yard, part of which the bit between Waverley Bridge and The Mound Tunnel is scenic. Just an idea.

Plan was to see the 37s to Oban passing Gleneagles at 815ish then head to the show in time for opening, however due to there late running I did not get there till nearer 11. Late running and fairly slow through Gleneagles. Anyway enjoyed the show as always and got another Hornby MK2D. Excellent show with good trade and layouts. Well done. Ps got the 37s storming through Whitemoss late on Saturday night, on time.

Relaid the crossover and then managed a successful running of HAAs out of the loop and across from the up to the down line.

Thanks Stephen, always enjoy the Ayr exhibition.

The good news is we had the first successful movement of a train on the new scenic boards last night, 47708 did the honours. Shuttling back and forward up and down the lines. The bad news is that the troublesome trucks, the rake of HAA (old versions) did not take well to being pulled across the crossover at the end of the loops. This is a key feature of the layout and needs to work. The two sets of points appear to be aligned but not aligned enough for the seamless crossing over of the HAAs from the up to the down track. They are long points and will try to relay them or swap them round. The HAAs are not the best runners most of the time but last nights efforts across the crossing was very bad.