Sandhole Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 46 minutes ago, Sophia NSE said: I think I have an 0-4-4 addiction Nothing wrong with that. Chris. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted October 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Sophia NSE said: I think I have an 0-4-4 addiction It's only curable by repeatedly being shown pictures of Wren R1's including the cut down version... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenNewland Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 05/10/2021 at 14:44, Barclay said: Not quite R-T-R but these cast lead tank engine bodies by Stewart Reidpath have some potential. It was a generic tank engine body which I think originated in HO scale before the war but was widened subsequently when 00 became more popular. Conversion to an industrial loco in EM gauge that looks a certain amount like a Hawthorn Leslie locomotive involved grinding off the smokebox extension plus splashers and sandboxes with a Dremel. It then received a new smokebox wrapper from 10 thou brass riveted in the GW Models press, a chimney from the spares box and a GE N7 dome from SE Finecast. Safety valves are Tri-ang. The chassis frames and rods are leftovers from an Impetus Bagnall kit and the cylinders/slidebars/crossheads are scratchbuilt. Power is from a Minebea 6 pole motor driving Romford 40:1 gears using a Branchlines motor mount/gearbox. Amazing work. That smokebox band with the rivets looks very neat. You can hardly see the original maroon! Very good. Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInHisDen Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 05/10/2021 at 14:44, Barclay said: Not quite R-T-R but these cast lead tank engine bodies by Stewart Reidpath have some potential. It was a generic tank engine body which I think originated in HO scale before the war but was widened subsequently when 00 became more popular. Conversion to an industrial loco in EM gauge that looks a certain amount like a Hawthorn Leslie locomotive involved grinding off the smokebox extension plus splashers and sandboxes with a Dremel. It then received a new smokebox wrapper from 10 thou brass riveted in the GW Models press, a chimney from the spares box and a GE N7 dome from SE Finecast. Safety valves are Tri-ang. The chassis frames and rods are leftovers from an Impetus Bagnall kit and the cylinders/slidebars/crossheads are scratchbuilt. Power is from a Minebea 6 pole motor driving Romford 40:1 gears using a Branchlines motor mount/gearbox. Where did you get this from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, DanInHisDen said: Where did you get this from? ebay - they probably haven't been made since the fifties but they crop up from time to time. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInHisDen Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 29/04/2021 at 09:23, SteelAndSoot said: My lil wing tank Bealie (shared her before) kept doing wheelies, so today I gave her a rear wheelset to fix this fits snugly and rolls well, has lots of side play too for tight bends How did you build the chassis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenNewland Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Hi All, I have a strange request. Does anyone have a front end of a Hornby/triang 3F "jinty" hanging around that they don't need? I'm halfway through bashing one into a freelance Johnson looking loco backdated to having a round firebox etc. I tried "gently" warming the loco with an air gun to straighten the footplate. All was going really well, when I did "one last adjustment", and the loco melted. Really gutted. I do want to attack it again, but I had already spent ages on the new cab, hence why asking for the front end. You're the only bunch crazy enough to have a front end (front 1/3rd) of a loco hanging around in a box somewhere. Of course I would pay postage etc. Thanks in advance. Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d00m Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, BenNewland said: Hi All, I have a strange request. Does anyone have a front end of a Hornby/triang 3F "jinty" hanging around that they don't need? I'm halfway through bashing one into a freelance Johnson looking loco backdated to having a round firebox etc. I tried "gently" warming the loco with an air gun to straighten the footplate. All was going really well, when I did "one last adjustment", and the loco melted. Really gutted. I do want to attack it again, but I had already spent ages on the new cab, hence why asking for the front end. You're the only bunch crazy enough to have a front end (front 1/3rd) of a loco hanging around in a box somewhere. Of course I would pay postage etc. Thanks in advance. Ben If I still Have one, it doesn't have a chimney and probably missing steps and buffers. I can't get to it until Wednesday, but if you want I'll look and PM you. Dom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Goat Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Anyone made their own chassis? It is interesting to see the thought process behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted October 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Mountain Goat said: Anyone made their own chassis? It is interesting to see the thought process behind it. Not yet but I am fitting a HLK gear drive to an R1 chassis for my 7/8th -16.5 Baldwin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelAndSoot Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 14/10/2021 at 03:05, DanInHisDen said: How did you build the chassis? just a Hornby pug chassis with a groove cut into the chassis itself to hold an extra wheelset, not any more complicated than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobthemilk Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 05/10/2021 at 14:44, Barclay said: Not quite R-T-R but these cast lead tank engine bodies by Stewart Reidpath have some potential. It was a generic tank engine body which I think originated in HO scale before the war but was widened subsequently when 00 became more popular. Conversion to an industrial loco in EM gauge that looks a certain amount like a Hawthorn Leslie locomotive involved grinding off the smokebox extension plus splashers and sandboxes with a Dremel. It then received a new smokebox wrapper from 10 thou brass riveted in the GW Models press, a chimney from the spares box and a GE N7 dome from SE Finecast. Safety valves are Tri-ang. The chassis frames and rods are leftovers from an Impetus Bagnall kit and the cylinders/slidebars/crossheads are scratchbuilt. Power is from a Minebea 6 pole motor driving Romford 40:1 gears using a Branchlines motor mount/gearbox. Hi Barclay I have a couple of these that I have aquired over the years , any chance of a few pictures of the chassis to give me an some inkling of what I could do with mine many thanks in anticipation regards Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 15 hours ago, bobthemilk said: Hi Barclay I have a couple of these that I have aquired over the years , any chance of a few pictures of the chassis to give me an some inkling of what I could do with mine many thanks in anticipation regards Bob Hi Bob - I described it in a thread on the industrial section last year, so I have posted a link below which contains all the gory details. The ultimate kit basher of this casting was apparently pre-war modeller extraordinaire, the Rev. Edward Beal, who made all sorts of loco's. out of them. Regards 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 The most famous version was the little blue thing. https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Thomas/Behind_the_Scenes#Awdry.27s_model It was supposed to be an E2, but they put a splasher on it to fit an available chassis. That's why TTTE had splashers whereas the real E2s didn't. Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: The most famous version was the little blue thing. https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Thomas/Behind_the_Scenes#Awdry.27s_model It was supposed to be an E2, but they put a splasher on it to fit an available chassis. That's why TTTE had splashers whereas the real E2s didn't. And there was me thinking Hornby only did the E2 because they saw the potential for Thomas. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think almost if not all of the original Thomas characters were based on real prototypes - usually in fact on the contemporary triang or dublo products of the day. Pretty much every character has a surviving example of the real thing extant except, sadly, Thomas! The irony that no E2 survived to be butchered into a 1/1 scale heritage railway cash cow! Daisy the rail car was a fictional metro Cammell lightweight single car unit based on the real two car unit and triang model so she’s extinct too. A 101 (of which there are plenty) could be a good daisy though (heritage railways you’re welcome lol) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, ianmacc said: I think almost if not all of the original Thomas characters were based on real prototypes - usually in fact on the contemporary triang or dublo products of the day. Well, there's several things going on: how Awdry envisioned them in his minds eye; how he modelled them; and how Dalby painted them. For me and I guess most of us, Dalby's version is what we think of. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) Random thought: If Awdry had acquired a Kirdon Derby Lightweight DMU instead of a Tri-ang one then Daisy could have been a prototypical single car unit. Edited October 25, 2021 by BernardTPM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 25, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, ianmacc said: I think almost if not all of the original Thomas characters were based on real prototypes - usually in fact on the contemporary triang or dublo products of the day. Pretty much every character has a surviving example of the real thing extant except, sadly, Thomas! The irony that no E2 survived to be butchered into a 1/1 scale heritage railway cash cow! Daisy the rail car was a fictional metro Cammell lightweight single car unit based on the real two car unit and triang model so she’s extinct too. A 101 (of which there are plenty) could be a good daisy though (heritage railways you’re welcome lol) As were many of the incidents. I knew the driver of the real engine in the water story, he has sadly passed on now but it was the Thompson pacific look alike on the (then) Weymouth Miniature Railway accidentally having a swim in Radipole Lake that apparently inspired Gordon's dip. (Loco survived, it was at Oakhill Manor, IIRC went on from there when that closed to the one near Berkeley Castle but I don't know where it is now) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted October 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, ianmacc said: I think almost if not all of the original Thomas characters were based on real prototypes - usually in fact on the contemporary triang or dublo products of the day. Pretty much every character has a surviving example of the real thing extant except, sadly, Thomas! The irony that no E2 survived to be butchered into a 1/1 scale heritage railway cash cow! Daisy the rail car was a fictional metro Cammell lightweight single car unit based on the real two car unit and triang model so she’s extinct too. A 101 (of which there are plenty) could be a good daisy though (heritage railways you’re welcome lol) How about Toby... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, john new said: As were many of the incidents. I knew the driver of the real engine in the water story, he has sadly passed on now but it was the Thompson pacific look alike on the (then) Weymouth Miniature Railway accidentally having a swim in Radipole Lake that apparently inspired Gordon's dip. (Loco survived, it was at Oakhill Manor, IIRC went on from there when that closed to the one near Berkeley Castle but I don't know where it is now) Indeed, at least one incident (leaving the refreshment lady behind) was something Wilbert had done on the Talyllyn! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, John Besley said: How about Toby... Toby was originally a proper model of a Y6 he made. Later replaced with a K's kit of a J70. https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Toby/Behind_the_Scenes#Behind_the_Scenes Oliver was also a K's Kit as was the replacement for Duck. Fun fact, The K's Kits had 1436 and 5741 as the numbers provided which was also the numbers of the TTTE versions. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Toby's tramway is based upon the Wisbech and Upwell line. The body of one of the coaches survives (on a more conventional underframe) at Sheringham although for licencing reasons, they can't make use of this fact. There is also the story of "the original Thomas", now at the Nene Valley Railway, which is too long to repeat here. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 13 hours ago, john new said: As were many of the incidents. I knew the driver of the real engine in the water story, he has sadly passed on now but it was the Thompson pacific look alike on the (then) Weymouth Miniature Railway accidentally having a swim in Radipole Lake that apparently inspired Gordon's dip. (Loco survived, it was at Oakhill Manor, IIRC went on from there when that closed to the one near Berkeley Castle but I don't know where it is now) At the risk of being "that guy," the incident Awdry himself cited for this story was at Lynn in 1952 and involved an Ivatt Class 4. 14 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Well, there's several things going on: how Awdry envisioned them in his minds eye; how he modelled them; and how Dalby painted them. For me and I guess most of us, Dalby's version is what we think of. It can be difficult to work out exactly what was going on with particular prototypes. The book The Island of Sodor gives backstories for all the regular characters, and a lot of fans have a tendency to take this as absolute gospel for what Awdry had in mind. Personally, I think that in the early books, he intended the characters to be freelance, types of locomotive rather than specific classes. Edward was meant to be a Victorian 4-4-0, Gordon a more modern Pacific, Thomas a station pilot etc. It's worth pointing out that while Reginald Payne illustrated Thomas as an E2, Dalby went back and changed some of the details to make the character look more generic. From Henry the Green Engine onwards, characters are (mostly) based on specific prototypes, and so the backstories to explain the appearance of some of the older characters are frankly pretty tortuous. Percy is a hotchpotch of different parts, Gordon and Henry were both experimental prototypes, etc. I suspect with Daisy that he started out with the model and wrote it into his stories - Duck has a similar backstory, originating as an off-the-shelf Gaiety pannier bought as a spare engine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted October 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 minute ago, HonestTom said: At the risk of being "that guy," the incident Awdry himself cited for this story was at Lynn in 1952 and involved an Ivatt Class 4. ... snipped It was what the man himself always claimed, the dip definitely occurred there are photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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