Ouroborus Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On the contrary, if I remember correctly, Barrie was shown warmly congratulating the winners and smiling broadly. That was exactly my point. As for what Barry said, of course he said those things. But you don't know what he did say that was left on the cutting room floor. He was portrayed as a bit of a show off. You don't know if he was edited to exaggerate this and as I pointed out, it wouldn't be the first time people in these shows find themselves selectively edited and a little shocked about how they come out on TV. He was very gracious when he was shown talking about the winners at the end, so i have some doubts he was quite the character they portrayed. Made for good TV though didn't it? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 Unfortunately most of what you mention are nothing really to do with this type of show. They are for a more specialised programme on model railways, which, I doubt I will want to watch as my interest is not full scale accurate modelling. I am more into the convert old rtr TT Dublo etc. Well, I mentioned those things in the context of trying to broaden the appeal of the hobby and show the general public what's actually 'out there', so I don't agree that my suggested items are not relevant to the show. But that's the beauty of free speech, we don't have to agree with each other. You have to realise the time constraints on the aired programme. Of course. To me too much time on the outside areas and repeated sayings after breaks spoil it. We have all just seen part 1 so why after the adverts in part 2 do we need telling what happened? And then they go and waste some of their 'constrained time' by making us re-live part 1. You are so right in that regard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold janneil21 Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 I fear the odious arrogance of the men from Missenden does not reflect well on our glorious hobby and I hope it was simply a case of their having been put up to it by the TV Production company. Whilst the competitiveness might make good TV, railway modellers are generally a co-operative and supportive bunch, as I hope people realised by watching the teams participating - particularly the one which had never met before. If the programme sparks queues outside model shops at opening time tomorrow, that will be a very good thing! Chris G Well said, I also felt they way the Missenden team were presented would give the neutrals watching a poor view of the very creative and technical talents including those of the Missenden team, bring to our hobby. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 I fear the odious arrogance of the men from Missenden does not reflect well on our glorious hobby and I hope it was simply a case of their having been put up to it by the TV Production company. Well said, I also felt they way the Missenden team were presented would give the neutrals watching a poor view of the very creative and technical talents including those of the Missenden team, bring to our hobby. If I recall correctly, only one member of the Missenden team was being odiously arrogant, the rest didn't display any type of arrogance. I was interested to note (from someone else's post a day or so ago) that the Missenden team were not tutors from that establishment, but chaps who had attended courses there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathymillatt Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 It's been fascinating to see what people think of the show. The production company did film loads of pieces on static grass, ballasting, weathering etc but unfortunately, they didn't fit in the 45 minutes running time. They also visited all the teams beforehand but again, time was against them in the final cut. It's amazing how little you can get into the time and they had 3 cameras running continuously for around 10 hours each for 3 days on each heat plus the pre-visit footage. I am so glad I didn't have to edit that down! For those of you wondering about Missenden's backdrop, I've added some of the photos I took at the time to my behind the scenes post: https://www.kathymillatt.co.uk/blog/2018/10/05/great-model-railway-challenge-movies/. I believe that the terraces were Scalescenes that they changed the door colours on and resized into 5 different decreasing scales. The backdrop itself was photoshopped from google map views and was several layers deep of cut outs. It was also lit as all of the terraces were. The whole lot was made so that when you stood in front, all the pieces seamlessly melded into each other with perspective lines. It was truly a piece of art and I am looking forward to seeing it fully completed at a show soon. Kathy 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 Been displaying my WW1 Trench Railway at the Swansea Model Railway Exhibition today, and had a little flyer about the show on the front. The overal response from both visitors and fellow exhibitors was very possitive. There was lots of interest especially from the younger visitors and families, which I think is very possitive. We managed to keep our layout after the show, which is currently in storage, currently we dont know what to do with it due to its size, however we have been given permission to display the layout at my local model shop for their 10 Year Anniversary, once the our episode airs next week, so stay tuned! It was nice to chat today at the Swansea show. Hope the rest of the afternoon went well for you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 In "BakeOff" they make a big thing of waiting for bread to prove. So I suggest that our equivalent, waiting for PVA glue to set, should really be a big part of this show. imagine the tension! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 In "BakeOff" they make a big thing of waiting for bread to prove. So I suggest that our equivalent, waiting for PVA glue to set, should really be a big part of this show. imagine the tension! Could think of something else but that would be spoiler alert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 It's been fascinating to see what people think of the show. The production company did film loads of pieces on static grass, ballasting, weathering etc but unfortunately, they didn't fit in the 45 minutes running time. They also visited all the teams beforehand but again, time was against them in the final cut. It's amazing how little you can get into the time and they had 3 cameras running continuously for around 10 hours each for 3 days on each heat plus the pre-visit footage. I am so glad I didn't have to edit that down! Hopefully they could do a follow up or put them on their website or something with links on the end of the shows? Will watch the rest with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Going slightly OT but the Fawley Hill Railway and museum etc are on the private MacAlpine Estate and is not normally open to the public although the railway station is licensed as a wedding venue. in the past societies and clubs etc could have prearranged visits but i don't know if this is still the case since Sir William's death. Lady McAlpine has in the past organised occasional public shows/events on the estate with the railway open to the public but she hasn't arranged on this year and I don't know whether such ideas will continue in view of Sir William's death. It has been said that his son who has inherited the title is not particularly interested in railways. But it's a great place to visit if you do hear of any public event going on there or are a member of a society which can arrange a private visit. http://fawleyhill.co.uk/about-fawley-hill/ There have been a couple of open days this year and, as far as I know, this is set to continue for invited groups and societies. We were there in September this year and, as on previous visits, had a superb day out. The museum has some wonderful artifacts and its without doubt the most impressive garden railway I've ever seen!! The good looking one in the middle is Kim, the two fat blokes are myself and Gascupboard Dave 20180902_150724_008.jpg 20180902_135337(0).jpg 20180902_135314.jpg Jerry Edit to add that the climb to the upper station from the dear park where there are two more small stations is 1 in 13 - check out youtube ,its full regulator stuff bouncing around in a 4 wheel wagon - -marvelous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob3pIPj_Sdc Hi All, Modelling hat off, Didcot hat off, Fawley hat on.* Message continues: Lady McAlpine is intending that the railway goes on into the forseeable future. It is certainly running next year and the museum, railway, rolling stock and locomotives continues to be looked after by Sir William’s (now Lady Judy’s) team to whom I have the great privilege of belonging. The other thing is that I have, on behalf of you all, asked for an RMWEB invitation through me in the 2019 operating day program. As soon as the calendar of events for the estate has been finalised and I have details, I will start a thread and get a group together. Horse’s mouth stuff right there... All the best, Castle *The Fawley hat is actually the same as all the other ones and is indeed the same messy, grubby, badge encrusted hat you always see me in... 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 Lady McAlpine is intending that the railway goes on into the forseeable future. It is certainly running next year and the museum, railway, rolling stock and locomotives continues to be looked after by Sir William’s (now Lady Judy’s) team to whom I have the great privilege of belonging. The other thing is that I have, on behalf of you all, asked for an RMWEB invitation through me in the 2019 operating day program. As soon as the calendar of events for the estate has been finalised and I have details, I will start a thread and get a group together. Horse’s mouth stuff right there... All the best, Castle *The Fawley hat is actually the same as all the other ones and is indeed the same messy, grubby, badge encrusted hat you always see me in... Now that is a date that will imideatly need adding to the diary! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 In "BakeOff" they make a big thing of waiting for bread to prove. So I suggest that our equivalent, waiting for PVA glue to set, should really be a big part of this show. imagine the tension! Assuming that the layouts are kept in situ between the three days (i.e. not tipped on end shortly after the clock stops), the most efficient use of time is to do any major painting/PVA glueing at the end of the day so it's all dried before the next day starts, that way you're not wasting time waiting for it to dry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 A post has appeared on the MERG forum today from one of the Missenden tutors expressing his distress at the way his students were portrayed, and claiming that their "interpretation" of the rules was apparently discussed with the judges beforehand. However he also claims that no credit was given to the Missenden team for the quality of their work - this is incorrect. The judges stated on the programme that they recognised the quality of the pre-prepared items but the quality of what they had done during the Challenge wasn't of the same standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tanner Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Comment 1: my wife enjoyed it - she normally has a low threshold of boredom, but was openly said it was pleasurable I think some idea of what the competitors start with would be useful. Do they have to construct the baseboards? What track is supplied? What are the design criteria, do they have to be roundy-roundy etc. Let's see how it progresses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted October 7, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 7, 2018 That was exactly my point. As for what Barry said, of course he said those things. But you don't know what he did say that was left on the cutting room floor. He was portrayed as a bit of a show off. You don't know if he was edited to exaggerate this and as I pointed out, it wouldn't be the first time people in these shows find themselves selectively edited and a little shocked about how they come out on TV. He was very gracious when he was shown talking about the winners at the end, so i have some doubts he was quite the character they portrayed. Made for good TV though didn't it? While accepting that editing will have played a part, the team did themselves no favours by not ballasting the track, covering all the plywood baseboard or painting the crudely infilled track - stuff all the other teams managed to do in the same time. This caused rather more caustic comments from the judges than a bit of boasting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Watched it again with the wife who enjoyed it. I did think that the layout which won only had a tenuous link with the film the longest day. The elstree layout had scenes being shot and props from the films such as the st trinians bus. The movie tour layout had dinosaurs and James Bond car etc whereas the longest day layout only had the fact it was linked to the day.if they has a camera crew in the middle of it filming a scene I wouldn't be so bothered. Sorry a bit contentious maybe it's just me Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted October 7, 2018 Administrators Share Posted October 7, 2018 As far as I can recall, there was a more recent attempt to build a layout during the two days of a show, either at RailEx or Scaleforum. Either way, it was in that sports hall at Stoke Mandeville. I built an N gauge layout in 2 days (+1 for finishig touches) at TINGS a couple of years ago. Not, it has to be said, anything like as complex as the TV show contestants were expected to build! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Comment 1: my wife enjoyed it - she normally has a low threshold of boredom, but was openly said it was pleasurable I think some idea of what the competitors start with would be useful. Do they have to construct the baseboards? What track is supplied? What are the design criteria, do they have to be roundy-roundy etc. Let's see how it progresses. Get the standard baseboards, get the same budget, given the same judging criteria, each heat the same theme after that it’s down to the team to decide upon the 6 prebuilds etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2018 I know Barry of the Missenden team and we have spoken about the show. He told me that they had previously checked to see if their plans were OK and within he rules and had been told that they were. So when they turned up for filming to be told they had done too much in advance, they were not best pleased. They had to react and think on the spur of the moment with the cameras around and he was a bit concerned at how they would be portrayed. Imagine yourself in that position and perhaps you can understand why they were not at their usual jovial best! There was no intention to cheat or to push the rules. Barry and the rest of the team are not the sort of people to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 If the Missenden team had done the same amount of modelling in the 3 days that the other 2 teams managed maybe the judges might have been less harsh - their layout was akin to someone turning up wit a boxful of Skaledale / Scenecraft and vaguely dotting a paint brush about without much care or attention, hoping that the building will wow the judges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I know Barry of the Missenden team and we have spoken about the show. He told me that they had previously checked to see if their plans were OK and within he rules and had been told that they were. So when they turned up for filming to be told they had done too much in advance, they were not best pleased. There was no intention to cheat or to push the rules. I have absolutely no axe to grind here, but this is a major claim being made by Barry. It implies that the whole process is corrupt. It questions the honesty/integrity of the judges. I hope Barry has written proof of these claims. If he has he should publish it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEAMYAKIMA Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) I know Barry of the Missenden team and we have spoken about the show. He told me that they had previously checked to see if their plans were OK and within he rules and had been told that they were. That's quite a claim ! Did the judges know of this ? Edited October 7, 2018 by TEAMYAKIMA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 It was nice to chat today at the Swansea show. Hope the rest of the afternoon went well for you. Thanks Barry! It certainly was a great show! Amiens even won best in show! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I can't really imagine someone asking "You know that bit in the rules, where it says we're only allowed to bring six pre-built items? Well, is it OK if we bring: * 5 separate rows of terraced houses * Two warehouses * Two ships * A crane * A viaduct * A station building * Several sections of 3D backscene?" Let alone being told "Yes". I suspect there may have been some degree of misunderstanding though I still can't see how someone could understand all that list to constitute "6 items". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Had another interesting day asking people's thoughts visiting the Swansea Model Railway Exhibition. Lots of young families there really loved the program, plus many modellers too. One family I ask had were visiting the show, because of the program! They heard about the exhibition, and thought they would give it a go. They said they were very impressed with all the displays, and the kids loved it! Seem the show is doing its magic! Edited October 7, 2018 by SDJR7F88 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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