RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2018 Does this discounting of a large number of items point towards the approach of the point where the ever increasing RRPs of the RTR manufacturers are no longer sustainable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Does this discounting of a large number of items point towards the approach of the point where the ever increasing RRPs of the RTR manufacturers are no longer sustainable? No; it's a clearance of overstocks - it's not complete ranges or even complete ranges of a type of coaching stock for example; especially at the lower end of the price scale e.g. Hornby Mk2E coaches at £12/£14. A lot of the higher-selling items aren't in stock or included in the reductions. It happens in retail; the fact that the Co-Op down the road was selling a tub of grapes for 20p that are up today doesn't mean grapes are too expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It would need to be a massive discount on grapes for me to start buying them except in bottles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) No; it's a clearance of overstocks - it's not complete ranges or even complete ranges of a type of coaching stock for example; especially at the lower end of the price scale e.g. Hornby Mk2E coaches at £12/£14. A lot of the higher-selling items aren't in stock or included in the reductions. It happens in retail; the fact that the Co-Op down the road was selling a tub of grapes for 20p that are up today doesn't mean grapes are too expensive. If you look at Bachmann wagons - Hattons have 214 listed on the site, the majority are not in the (shouty echo on) "SALE OF THE CENTURYYYYYYYYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyy" I'd be looking for nice Big 4 livery locos or PO wagons and there aren't that many in the sale - like I said the Black Motor looks tempting and that's it for me. Edited October 30, 2018 by woodenhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) There are a couple of Bachmann locos that I once had on pre-order but then cancelled due to the price increasing that I will now be purchasing. Edited October 30, 2018 by Free At Last 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2018 There are a couple of Bachmann locos that I once had on pre-order but then cancelled due to the price increasing that I will now be purchasing. Good for you! Glad to see someone getting a benefit. There are a load of my nice to haves in there. Seriously pondering a Scotrail 68 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2018 Half price Heljan O gauge chopper ..... Still too much for my wallet sadly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Ive got a legacy fleet of Lima 31’s. Ive been reluctant to let them go, as the newer version hasnt been produced in anywhere near the variety of liveries, 31413 Ice Cream Van, 31405/423 Mainline celebrities 31101, 31146/7 etc etc. At £39 ive just bought a whole bunch of R3275 31144. I’ll be upgrading my lima fleet now and sending a dozen Lima 31 chassis to heaven, or ebay, which ever is closer. Whilst its out of my usual zone, 3 recent noisy encounters with a class 68, has made me decide to make room for one too at home. Plus a wardrobe malfunction on a class 85, has given me incentive to replace rather than repair. All in all, quite good. I may return later for an ROD and a couple others, i dont need another 71, i just dont... but. Expensive day today, just bought 11 full fat Bachmann mk2e’s from Derails too, so its not all about bargains and RRPs. Edited October 30, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Half price Heljan O gauge chopper ..... I had a look but couldn't see a LNWR 2-4-0 Tank anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I'm too sure about the point that this sale doesn't point to anything regards market trends; there is a hell of a lot of locos in this sale from both the Blue and Red teams. Even very, very recent rolling stock releases are in there - Bachmann Thompsons and Birdcages are now around 25-30% off their RRP, despite being less then 12 months old. Such heft of discounted stock will set mental precedents for a lot of modellers - why pre-order and/or pay full whack when the majority of things will eventually drop into the bargain bin? Don't forget, Hattons are effectively Hornby's main distributor nowadays for all intents and purposes, and so when they say 'overstocked' lines that's a euphemism for 'overmanufactured' on Sandwich's and Barwell's parts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Awe no ! Must refrain, must refrain. Still to all those that say the days of discounts are over, it would appear not! Three quotes below :- Resitance is useless Resistance is futile I can resist anything but temptation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asa Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Couldn't resist an O gauge 08 for £149. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefromacrossthepond Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Couldn't resist an O gauge 08 for £149. I'm still resisting, but its getting more and more difficult! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Ok, I could not resist. Two items ordered, tempted by more... And more.... And more.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2018 I'm too sure about the point that this sale doesn't point to anything regards market trends; there is a hell of a lot of locos in this sale from both the Blue and Red teams. Even very, very recent rolling stock releases are in there - Bachmann Thompsons and Birdcages are now around 25-30% off their RRP, despite being less then 12 months old. Such heft of discounted stock will set mental precedents for a lot of modellers - why pre-order and/or pay full whack when the majority of things will eventually drop into the bargain bin? Don't forget, Hattons are effectively Hornby's main distributor nowadays for all intents and purposes, and so when they say 'overstocked' lines that's a euphemism for 'overmanufactured' on Sandwich's and Barwell's parts... Good point,CoY.But maybe this is more to do with Hattons than either Blue or Red ? The litmus test will be when and if other retailers go down the same route. Rails for instance have been discounting Bachmann coaching stock for months. Your point about Hornby "over manufacturing" is well founded,though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 My only pre order regret is the Birdcage set, I got the impression they'd sell out quick, but nope. Ah well. Hmmm £121 isn't quite a bargain enough to persuade to purchase the Hornby Schools 'Shrewsbury', I'll wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I'm too sure about the point that this sale doesn't point to anything regards market trends; there is a hell of a lot of locos in this sale from both the Blue and Red teams. Even very, very recent rolling stock releases are in there - Bachmann Thompsons and Birdcages are now around 25-30% off their RRP, despite being less then 12 months old. However, if want a rake of SECR birdcages, there is only one in the reduction. It should be noted that this is only a fraction of the items ever produced over the past few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2018 I'm too sure about the point that this sale doesn't point to anything regards market trends; there is a hell of a lot of locos in this sale from both the Blue and Red teams. Even very, very recent rolling stock releases are in there - Bachmann Thompsons and Birdcages are now around 25-30% off their RRP, despite being less then 12 months old. Such heft of discounted stock will set mental precedents for a lot of modellers - why pre-order and/or pay full whack when the majority of things will eventually drop into the bargain bin? Don't forget, Hattons are effectively Hornby's main distributor nowadays for all intents and purposes, and so when they say 'overstocked' lines that's a euphemism for 'overmanufactured' on Sandwich's and Barwell's parts... Maybe - but it's what isn't in the sale that tells us what is selling well. In 4mm RTR recent bijou 0-4-0 tank locos are conspicuous by their absence. Dapol B4, Hornby W4 and their like are clearly cutting the market mustard right now. The only small tanks in the list are either Railroad-sector models or others that have had mixed reviews. Now is the time for those with unfulfilled wants in that part of the market, e.g. the Industrial chaps, to be making their pitch to the manufacturers, because their ideas will be listened to. I am aware that an Industrials survey is under way. The timing could be perfect. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Bachmann O1 for £59 - just what I wanted to cut up to make an O4/8 (aka Hornby mag). And I nearly paid £79 when I read the article! Stewart Very enterprising. As one with less enterprise and skill, I have long wished for Bachmann to produce some O4 sub-classes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2018 Maybe - but it's what isn't in the sale that tells us what is selling well. In 4mm RTR recent bijou 0-4-0 tank locos are conspicuous by their absence. Dapol B4, Hornby W4 and their like are clearly cutting the market mustard right now. The only small tanks in the list are either Railroad-sector models or others that have had mixed reviews. Now is the time for those with unfulfilled wants in that part of the market, e.g. the Industrial chaps, to be making their pitch to the manufacturers, because their ideas will be listened to. I am aware that an Industrials survey is under way. The timing could be perfect. And about 40% of the items on offer in the steam locos section are pre-1950 liveries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Maybe - but it's what isn't in the sale that tells us what is selling well. In 4mm RTR recent bijou 0-4-0 tank locos are conspicuous by their absence. Dapol B4, Hornby W4 and their like are clearly cutting the market mustard right now. The only small tanks in the list are either Railroad-sector models or others that have had mixed reviews. Now is the time for those with unfulfilled wants in that part of the market, e.g. the Industrial chaps, to be making their pitch to the manufacturers, because their ideas will be listened to. I am aware that an Industrials survey is under way. The timing could be perfect. Or that Hattons misjudged the sales (and hence stock holding) for those items. Sales of model railway items are notoriously difficult to forecast, often being dependent on a number of irrational factors. Perhaps the COTC and Hattons move into wholesaling of their own brand models is indicative of a desire to increase cash flow to fund further commissions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Oh b*gg*er... This could get serious! WIBBLE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
90rob Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Oh b*gg*er... This could get serious! WIBBLE It's nice to see so many things I don't want...It's nice to see so many things I don't want...It's nice to see so many things I don't want... It's nice to etc etc..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2018 A Hornby Hall @£49. Now that's serious good bargain, for a really nice model. Hasn't quite beaten my Olton Hall @£47 bought direct from Hornby 3 years ago but close! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2018 Maybe - but it's what isn't in the sale that tells us what is selling well. In 4mm RTR recent bijou 0-4-0 tank locos are conspicuous by their absence. Dapol B4, Hornby W4 and their like are clearly cutting the market mustard right now. The only small tanks in the list are either Railroad-sector models or others that have had mixed reviews. Now is the time for those with unfulfilled wants in that part of the market, e.g. the Industrial chaps, to be making their pitch to the manufacturers, because their ideas will be listened to. I am aware that an Industrials survey is under way. The timing could be perfect. Hattons own Barclay "katie" has had £10 knocked off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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