Hornby W1 Hush Hush

[No Decorum]

38 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

I've said it many times before - but will repeat it once again in the hope that SOMEONE at Hornby is listening : -

 

Every Hornby fixed trailing truck Pacific that I have has been converted to swinging truck - via a lot of needless, fiddly hacking, etc.

 

IF ONLY Hornby would mount the flangeless trailing wheels in a swinging inside-framed truck, locked with an additional screw.

 

For those of us without trains-set radii, all we would have to do is fit the flanged wheels and remove the locking screw - job done!

 

PLEASE, if anyone here has the ear of Hornby, could they point out this blindingly-obvious solution to a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place?!?

 

John Isherwood.

Absolutely. We also need Hornby to ensure that the flanged wheels can turn. Too often, when they are fitted, the flanges jam against something. It was done pretty well with the Princesses but with everything else that I know of from the Duchesses (require a bit of hacking) to the Bulleid Pacifics (well nigh impossible) wasn’t. It’s particularly frustrating when the rest of the models are, by and large, pretty decent (ignoring DCC provision).

[peteskitchen]

4 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

I've said it many times before - but will repeat it once again in the hope that SOMEONE at Hornby is listening : -

 

Every Hornby fixed trailing truck Pacific that I have has been converted to swinging truck - via a lot of needless, fiddly hacking, etc.

 

IF ONLY Hornby would mount the flangeless trailing wheels in a swinging inside-framed truck, locked with an additional screw.

 

For those of us without trains-set radii, all we would have to do is fit the flanged wheels and remove the locking screw - job done!

 

PLEASE, if anyone here has the ear of Hornby, could they point out this blindingly-obvious solution to a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place?!?

 

John Isherwood.

That's such a good idea. The rear wheel of my Duchess of Sutherland is so bad I have to run it as a 4-6-0. I think I'll attack that Loco next. Have you modified an LMS pacific? 

[cctransuk]

26 minutes ago, peteskitchen said:

That's such a good idea. The rear wheel of my Duchess of Sutherland is so bad I have to run it as a 4-6-0. I think I'll attack that Loco next. Have you modified an LMS pacific? 

 

Yes - 'Sir William Stanier FRS'.

 

CJI.

Edited August 1, 2023 by cctransuk

[HExpressD]

On 01/08/2023 at 13:39, cctransuk said:

 

I've said it many times before - but will repeat it once again in the hope that SOMEONE at Hornby is listening : -

 

Every Hornby fixed trailing truck Pacific that I have has been converted to swinging truck - via a lot of needless, fiddly hacking, etc.

 

IF ONLY Hornby would mount the flangeless trailing wheels in a swinging inside-framed truck, locked with an additional screw.

 

For those of us without trains-set radii, all we would have to do is fit the flanged wheels and remove the locking screw - job done!

 

PLEASE, if anyone here has the ear of Hornby, could they point out this blindingly-obvious solution to a problem that didn't need to exist in the first place?!?

 

John Isherwood.

Perhaps, for mass factory production, your solution is not as blindingly obvious as you attest. 

[cctransuk]

38 minutes ago, HExpressD said:

Perhaps, for mass factory production, your solution is not as blindingly obvious as you attest. 

 

I fail to see how - what aspect of such a simple assembly is likely to be prohibitive?

 

I propose nothing that has not been done already. One of the early fixed trailing truck designs was attached with two screws - but it was still locked into position if one screw was removed, rather than being allowed to pivot.

 

My modification merely required the removal of the part of the chassis casting that prevented pivoting. It APPEARED to have been designed to pivot, but modified to be fixed.

 

John Isherwood.

Edited August 2, 2023 by cctransuk

[DonnyRailMan]

The version of W1 that is due out within the next month will be the third version in Battle Ship Grey R 30126 

[Trevor Hammond]

4 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said:

The version of W1 that is due out within the next month will be the third version in Battle Ship Grey R 30126 

4th. Actually. 

[melmerby]

On 02/08/2023 at 17:23, cctransuk said:

My modification merely required the removal of the part of the chassis casting that prevented pivoting. It APPEARED to have been designed to pivot, but modified to be fixed.

But not a cat in hell's chance with the W1.

The rear "Bissell truck" pair of wheels will need to swing so far to negotiate 2nd radius curves that the whole frame needs to swing sideways by a very noticable amount.

The "Cartazzi" pair are on the limit with 3' radius (I tried it), so a large chunk of swinging chassis needed that doesn't on the prototype.

 

DJH have a four wheel truck in their kit but the chassis under the cab has been widened somewhat.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

On 02/08/2023 at 16:45, HExpressD said:

Perhaps, for mass factory production, your solution is not as blindingly obvious as you attest. 

It is blindingly obvious, because all the improvement in current OO is the result of a steady injection of superior technique developed for HO product; and there is plenty more such developed technique available for exploitation. And there is one such for this very problem, which is not unique to UK prototype.

 

Faced with the problem of bogie mounted wheels inside fixed bodywork. and the consequent difficulty with giving flanged wheelset(s) inside that bodywork enough freedom to move sideways for very underscale curve radii; the 'fixed bodywork sections' are hinged with a restoring spring, such that the inside hinged truck with the flanged wheelset(s) in it, pushes out the hinged bodywork inside the curve. The spring action restores the bodywork to 'home position' on straight track. Superior appearance: 'solid' body work on straight track and the outside of curves, scale diameter all flanged wheelsets; and the better action on track afforded by the centering action of flanged wheelsets.

Edited August 15, 2023 by 34theletterbetweenB&D
typo

[DonnyRailMan]

Hornby should produce a Railroad of the W1.

[HExpressD]

Unbelievably unlikely due to the cost of tooling a new loco and the demand (or lack there of) for one

[Captain_Mumbles]

I heard some new batches are in bound. Looks like a dark grey early ish 10000 and a 60700 in BR garter blue with valances removed. What a beautiful thing it is!

[Trevor Hammond]

18 hours ago, Captain_Mumbles said:

I heard some new batches are in bound. Looks like a dark grey early ish 10000 and a 60700 in BR garter blue with valances removed. What a beautiful thing it is!

My pair have been on my layout since yesterday. 

[Captain_Mumbles]

Entered in error.

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Captain_Mumbles
wrong thread

[Philip Jackson]

I finally caved in and ordered R3978 W1 in grey. Does anyone have one and what is it like?

[Trevor Hammond]

5 hours ago, Philip Jackson said:

I finally caved in and ordered R3978 W1 in grey. Does anyone have one and what is it like?

Yes, I  do. Great model, Nice runner.

[Edge]

Kernow has taken the money for my non-valance garter blue 60700. I await it eagerly - I already have 10000 with the ‘British Enterprise‘ nameplates and liked it a great deal

[Hilux5972]

On 04/10/2023 at 08:08, Trevor Hammond said:

Yes, I  do. Great model, Nice runner.

Yep I agree. Fantastic model and I’m very pleased with mine. 

[zr2498]

Thread started on W1 sound installations

 

 

[AlfaZagato]

I fell off this thread early on.   Are newer batches of the Hush-Hush decent runners?

[Johan DC]

16 hours ago, AlfaZagato said:

I fell off this thread early on.   Are newer batches of the Hush-Hush decent runners?

 This review almost made me buy one, and if it gets under the €200 mark at Modelbahnunion I will.  It's of the most recent non-rebuilt version, with the lifting cowl. It looks like it has the new tender coupling as well.