Peterborough North

[St Enodoc]

This time I'll vote for the H16 4-6-2Ts. Few in number but perfectly suited to their work.

[3rd Rail Exile]

Another vote for the S15 here...

[Metropolitan H]

And another vote for the S15 4-6-0.

 

Regards

Chris H

[Mallard60022]

Undoubtedly the S15. True workhorse and even better after Maunsell improved it. No other choice for an all round machine.

[Sandhole]

Was going for the Urie Authurs.
In the end, I'll go for the H16s.
They did their job quietly and efficiently all their lives. They could turn their hands to passenger duties is asked and the distance wasn't too great.

[Denbridge]

38 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

Beat me to it by a short head - Having googled 'Urie Locomotives' it appears that the S15 was a Urie LSWR design from 1920. Seems to have been a reasonably successful loco and quite a few survive into preservation. No.(30)506, now up and running on the Mid-Hants after a 18 year rebuild (hats off to the lad n lassies involved), is one of the two genuine LSWR survivors.

 

So, it's S15 from me as well.

Another vote for the Urie S15. Incidentally, the same group who restored 506 are well advanced with the restoration of sister engine 499.

[Market65]

I’m also going with S15.

 

Rob.

[Clive Mortimore]

In suggesting today's locomotive I might have ended up in Fletham teenagers prison. A class that spent along time in Feltham the G16 4-8-0T, what a beast.

[DaveF]

S15 here too.

 

David

[David Bell]

H16 for me.

What these polls have demonstrated to me is that I have a liking for big tank locomotives.

Never really thought about it before!

 

Cheers

David

[FarrMan]

I'll join in the S15 band wagon.

 

Lloyd

[Mallard60022]

3 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Undoubtedly the S15. True workhorse and even better after Maunsell improved it. No other choice for an all round machine.

I wonder if Hornby will produce a Urie S15?

[jollysmart]

Going with the present flow it is the S15 for me.

[chris45lsw]

There are only 5 choices H15, N15, S15, G16 and H16.  The head probably says S15 or possibly N15 but the heart says the H16 Pacific tank so that's where my vote is going.

 

Chris KT

[great northern]

OK folks, goodies time. Parcel from Tim arrived at lunchtime containing no less than three of them. This is the one I had been waiting for very eagerly. Tim and I have discussed it at length, and frankly wondered if it could be made to look presentable at all. Steve@31A then showed me what he had managed to do with Thane of Fife, so we stopped thinking about a complete repaint and lining job, and Tim has very closely followed the information Steve gave me, so we finish up with this.

 

 

 

 

Now before giving any more information about 60501, I'm going to show you the next loco, as I want you to be able to compare them side by side.

 

 

 

 

I haven't done this justice really, but it does show that Hornby are capable of producing a really good Brunswick green, a lovely rich colour, enhanced as usual by Tim's work.

 

Right, now more detail on the locos. 60501 is more or less from a photo dated 1st August 1958, though it is somewhat dirtier in order to get rid of that insipid green as much as possible. Tim will be posting his images, taken in outdoor daylight, and I will leave it to him to tell you about the detail alterations he had made to get this as near as possible to 60501 in my period. I am really pleased with it, and will be able to look forward to its appearnces instead of shuddering at the thought.

 

Now to Welbeck Abbey. Yes, yet another B17, but I can't have too many of them. Another March engine, and often on the Harwich-Liverpool boat train between 1955 and 1958, and so fondly remembered. Named after a place reasonably close to where I have lived for most of my life, which was a factor in my choice of 61619. We also have not one but two contemporary images of her. One is an AC Ingram shot as she waited by the old coaling stage, which I will post in due course. The other has considerable personal meaning for Tim, as it was taken by his dad on 23rd May 1958. It is pulling out of the Up carriage sidings with the stock for the 4.32 Harwich, which featured on here very recently. I've run out of light today, but I shall be trying to recreate that shot, and will post Tim's dad's image, together with my attempt, tomorrow. In both pictures the loco is beautifully clean, even though withdrawal was coming on the 19th September the same year.

 

Believe it or not, there is yet more to show, but I don't want people getting over excited, so I will let you digest these first.

[Timara]

As mentioned above, here are the first two locos basking in the sunlight the other day.  60501 first....

 

 

 

The various changes.... Nameplates have been moved upwards by about a millimetre, new lower positioned numberplate on the smokebox door, correct sandbox fillers and the later lipped chimney.  The latter parts came from Graeme King, with new nameplates from 247 Developments.  The ejector pipe was also given a joggle where necessary. 

 

As for the factory green, which I am absolutely not a fan of, hiding it took a little more effort than usual.  As Gilbert mentions above, I followed how Steve 31A did his model of 60505.  It very nearly came close to a complete repaint, which I really didn't fancy having to do on a model which frankly shouldn't have needed if in the first place.  Anyway,  it is what it is!

 

Now for 61619....

 

 

 

 

By comparison, no way near as much effort required to get the final result.  A new smokebox door, from my O1 body (soon to become an O4/8), and additional washout plugs to convert it from a part 2 loco to a part 6.  Otherwise, a factory loco without needing renumbering, together with etched plates from CGW.

 

As Gilbert says, there was more to come....

Edited March 30, 2021 by Tim

[landscapes]

4 hours ago, great northern said:

OK folks, goodies time. Parcel from Tim arrived at lunchtime containing no less than three of them. This is the one I had been waiting for very eagerly. Tim and I have discussed it at length, and frankly wondered if it could be made to look presentable at all. Steve@31A then showed me what he had managed to do with Thane of Fife, so we stopped thinking about a complete repaint and lining job, and Tim has very closely followed the information Steve gave me, so we finish up with this.

 

 

 

 

Now before giving any more information about 60501, I'm going to show you the next loco, as I want you to be able to compare them side by side.

 

 

 

 

I haven't done this justice really, but it does show that Hornby are capable of producing a really good Brunswick green, a lovely rich colour, enhanced as usual by Tim's work.

 

Right, now more detail on the locos. 60501 is more or less from a photo dated 1st August 1958, though it is somewhat dirtier in order to get rid of that insipid green as much as possible. Tim will be posting his images, taken in outdoor daylight, and I will leave it to him to tell you about the detail alterations he had made to get this as near as possible to 60501 in my period. I am really pleased with it, and will be able to look forward to its appearnces instead of shuddering at the thought.

 

Now to Welbeck Abbey. Yes, yet another B17, but I can't have too many of them. Another March engine, and often on the Harwich-Liverpool boat train between 1955 and 1958, and so fondly remembered. Named after a place reasonably close to where I have lived for most of my life, which was a factor in my choice of 61619. We also have not one but two contemporary images of her. One is an AC Ingram shot as she waited by the old coaling stage, which I will post in due course. The other has considerable personal meaning for Tim, as it was taken by his dad on 23rd May 1958. It is pulling out of the Up carriage sidings with the stock for the 4.32 Harwich, which featured on here very recently. I've run out of light today, but I shall be trying to recreate that shot, and will post Tim's dad's image, together with my attempt, tomorrow. In both pictures the loco is beautifully clean, even though withdrawal was coming on the 19th September the same year.

 

Believe it or not, there is yet more to show, but I don't want people getting over excited, so I will let you digest these first.

Hi Gilbert

 

Tim has done a superb weathering job on both of your new locomotives and in particular on A2/2 60501 those daylight photos look absolutely stunning that is not to criticise your photography in any way but there is no substitute to natural daylight especially if the sun is shining.

 

The Hornby version of green on their new Thompson Pacific's is a big disappointment and as Tim has already said we should not have to carry out so much weathering works to conceal it.

 

If you don't mind I enclose a photo of my own Hornby A2/2 60501, I have carried out similar alterations but have not changed the smokebox door as my one is well and truly glued on so the front number plate is technically in the wrong position.

 

In addition I changed all the boiler bands and tender/ cabside linings as well using Fox Transfers, although a big improvement they were a far to brighter orange so the whole locomotive needed weathering to tone it all down.

 

Regards

 

David

 

[davidw]

1 hour ago, Tim said:

As mentioned above, here are the first two locos basking in the sunlight the other day.  60501 first....

 

 

 

The various changes.... Nameplates have been moved upwards by about a millimetre, new lower positioned numberplate on the smokebox door, correct sandbox fillers and the later lipped chimney.  The latter parts came from Graeme King, with new nameplates from 247 Developments.  The ejector pipe was also given a joggle where necessary. 

 

As for the factory green, which I am absolutely not a fan of, hiding it took a little more effort than usual.  As Gilbert mentions above, I followed how Steve 31A did his model of 60505.  It very nearly came close to a complete repaint, which I really didn't fancy having to do on a model which frankly shouldn't have needed if in the first place.  Anyway,  it is what it is!

 

Now for 61619....

 

 

 

 

By comparison, no way near as much effort required to get the final result.  A new smokebox door, from my O1 body (soon to become an O4/8), and additional washout plugs to convert it from a part 2 loco to a part 6.  Otherwise, a factory loco without needing renumbering, together with etched plates from CGW.

 

As Gilbert says, there was more to come....

Fantastic job on CoTH Tim. 

[great northern]

I have decided to save the final goodie until tomorrow, so tonight we shall observe Woolwinder about to stop with the Northumbrian.

 

 

[mullie]

Urie G16 4-8-0 tank gets my vote though I do like an S15.

 

Martyn

[Flying Fox 34F]

S15 gets my vote.

 

A very versatile locomotive 

 

Paul

[thegreenhowards]

I’m not a great fan of the S15...yet another 4-6-0! But given it was basically a Black Five but developed over a decade earlier you have to say it is a remarkably successful design so, in line with the criteria, the S15 gets my vote.

[great northern]

Swing the camera around, and we get another angle on the A3.

 

 

and down the other end, we can meet it head on, but fortunately stationary.

 

 

 

 

 

[drmditch]

S15 please. Haven't checked, but could this be regarded as the first (UK) 'modern' 4-6-0 ?

[30368]

34 minutes ago, drmditch said:

Haven't checked, but could this be regarded as the first (UK) 'modern' 4-6-0 ?

 

Agree first family of modern 4-6-0's if we define modern as having outside Walschaerts valve gear and the H15 was first of the Urie/Maunsell family of simple, but effective, 4-6-0's (Churchward and Wordsdell fans might have a bit to say?).

 

I rather liked the H15's for their simple rugged lines so they get my vote, I have five 4mm models of them so that must count as an obsession.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B