PatB Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, rab said: Runners/joggers are second only to cyclists for ignoring rules of the road, other users etc. Ok, I'm generalizing i know but there are offenders in both groups. If it's any consolation, many cyclists act without consideration towards other cyclists too. It's not 'cos they're cyclists, it's' cos they're self-centred gits who happen to cycle. 4 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Concentrating on getting from A to B as quickly as possible and hang the rest of us, plenty of motorists as well... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Hobby said: Concentrating on getting from A to B as quickly as possible and hang the rest of us, plenty of motorists as well... True, but the worst offenders I come across are weekend leisure riders on the cycle trail I use to commute to work. I've started to lose count of the number I've encountered on Saturday and Sunday mornings (I work weekends) , oncoming two abreast on narrow sections, who appear to expect me to become one with a rock wall, or levitate off the side of a steep embankment so as to make way for them. You'd think that there'd be less pressure on a recreational ride, but apparently that's not the case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, PatB said: True, but the worst offenders I come across are weekend leisure riders on the cycle trail I use to commute to work. I've started to lose count of the number I've encountered on Saturday and Sunday mornings (I work weekends) , oncoming two abreast on narrow sections, who appear to expect me to become one with a rock wall, or levitate off the side of a steep embankment so as to make way for them. You'd think that there'd be less pressure on a recreational ride, but apparently that's not the case. In two weeks I have found one who cant stop at Traffic Lights and another who does not know how to give way at a roundabout but this was a normal day! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted August 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, PatB said: True, but the worst offenders I come across are weekend leisure riders on the cycle trail I use to commute to work. I've started to lose count of the number I've encountered on Saturday and Sunday mornings (I work weekends) , oncoming two abreast on narrow sections, who appear to expect me to become one with a rock wall, or levitate off the side of a steep embankment so as to make way for them. You'd think that there'd be less pressure on a recreational ride, but apparently that's not the case. Worst I had was two cyclists in a Country Park, I was on the footpath/cyclepath (the paths are used as both) and they were cycling abreast. They gave me three choices, stay where I was and get hit, dive into a bed of nettles or jump in the lake. No contest, I stayed where I was going as close to the edge as I dared and one of them ended up on the floor having caught me with the end of her handlebars ... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Golf umbrellas make very useful additions to a walkers wardrobe, just be careful you don't have it open at their head height or catch the metal tip in their spokes . Even worse is to inconsiderately hold said article of apparel horizontally (see knights of old jousting) in your hand closer to the cyclists . Of course the reverse happens when the cyclists need umbrellas to keep them dry. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 hours ago, rab said: Runners/joggers are second only to cyclists for ignoring rules of the road, other users etc. Ok, I'm generalizing i know but there are offenders in both groups. There are offenders in ALL groups of road users. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 hours ago, rab said: Runners/joggers are second only to cyclists for ignoring rules of the road, other users etc. Ok, I'm generalizing i know but there are offenders in both groups. And motorists are second to none in the number of men, women and children they kill and maim every single day. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, caradoc said: And motorists are second to none in the number of men, women and children they kill and maim every single day. The only time I have had to jump into a hedge was due to a motorist coming round a bend too fast. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted August 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2019 Ok I apologise, both for my remarks, and for taking the thread off topic Lets leave it there shall we. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Going back to the Bagult crossing incident, I noticed that the signaller at the work station had previously worked two mechanical boxes in NORFOLK! If a train crew is supposed to have route knowledge, would it be an idea for the signallers responsible for a route to also study, and sign for, the route knowledge? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Catkins said: Going back to the Bagult crossing incident, I noticed that the signaller at the work station had previously worked two mechanical boxes in NORFOLK! If a train crew is supposed to have route knowledge, would it be an idea for the signallers responsible for a route to also study, and sign for, the route knowledge? for a time on the manchester area we did just that signalers would be issued with a cab pass and spend a day running over various routes associated with theyre box quite enjoyed my various cab rides over the hope valley when i signed Newmills south jn 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Catkins said: Going back to the Bagult crossing incident, I noticed that the signaller at the work station had previously worked two mechanical boxes in NORFOLK! If a train crew is supposed to have route knowledge, would it be an idea for the signallers responsible for a route to also study, and sign for, the route knowledge? Maybe not sign for route knowledge to the same level as Drivers, but Signallers must certainly know the areas they control, and cab rides should form part of that (and the inevitable conversations and sharing of knowledge between Drivers and Signallers are a Good Thing too). In the same way, Drivers should be invited to visit the signalboxes controlling the routes they work over. (There were certainly regular visits by Drivers to Control during my time there, which were a benefit to both parties). 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted August 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2019 Collision between car and tram in Wolverhampton today https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/19/car-crashes-into-midland-metro-tram-and-overturns-in-wolverhampton/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Ramblin Rich said: Collision between car and tram in Wolverhampton today https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/19/car-crashes-into-midland-metro-tram-and-overturns-in-wolverhampton/ Yet another car driver learns the hard way not to ignore red traffic lights. Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, jim.snowdon said: Yet another car driver learns the hard way not to ignore red traffic lights. Jim We assume........ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) I'm quite surprised it derailed the tram, must have been a fairly hefty impact. Edited August 20, 2019 by Hobby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Hobby said: I'm quite surprised it derailed the tram, must have been a fairly hefty impact. The car did end up on its roof. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I'm not sure if it did, they had to cut the roof off and it is shown on its side in one early photo, the top of the roof looks pretty much in tact as well, without any scrapes. Looks like it was deflect onto its side by the impact. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Hobby said: I'm not sure if it did, they had to cut the roof off and it is shown on its side in one early photo, the top of the roof looks pretty much in tact as well, without any scrapes. Looks like it was deflect onto its side by the impact. Says so here, so it must be true. I did not read the linked article above, huge great cookie box. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 They like cutting the roof off cars even when its not needed, a couple of years back they put a casualty in the back of a brand new police car... because he then complained of neck ache they cut the roof off.. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 hours ago, jim.snowdon said: Yet another car driver learns the hard way not to ignore red traffic lights. Jim Most of the problem on Melbourne's vast tram network, is other vehicles turning. Only 3% of incidents are attributed to tram drivers. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/caught-on-camera-tram-and-car-crashes-20190812-5fiyc.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, dhjgreen said: Says so here, so it must be true. I did not read the linked article above, huge great cookie box. Bear in mind "overturned" means: "tip (something) over so that it is on its side or upside down" I suppose we'll never know for sure unless someone comes up with a photo. No point in worrying about it either, as the OP said, you don't argue with a tram! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, Hobby said: Bear in mind "overturned" means: "tip (something) over so that it is on its side or upside down" I suppose we'll never know for sure unless someone comes up with a photo. No point in worrying about it either, as the OP said, you don't argue with a tram! Melbourne's renowned W Class trams had/have a big steel girder as a bumper bar, nothing touched them! I once saw a car that had just demolished by one. Apparently the hoon driving his V8, had overtaken one on the wrong side of the road. Sadly for him, there was another one coming towards him, so he slammed into it headon. Not a mistake to repeat. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted August 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, kevinlms said: Most of the problem on Melbourne's vast tram network, is other vehicles turning. Only 3% of incidents are attributed to tram drivers. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/caught-on-camera-tram-and-car-crashes-20190812-5fiyc.html All those seem to be tram hits car when it should not be there. Our yellow box road markings are similarly routinely ignored in Manchester. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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