RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 6, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can shed some light on this. Due to their construction, the underframe on a (real) Pullman coach is narrower than that for example on a BR Mk1 by about a foot. Therefore there is much less clearance behind for the wheels. I had occasion a while ago to design an etched underframe for the old Farish Pullman coaches, and with either 2mm Finescale or Bachmann RP25 wheels of the correct diameter, was unable to manage anything that would go round a curve under 2' radius without putting cutouts into the solebars. (Farish did it by putting the wrong bogies on the coaches and using wheels that were too small in case you are wondering). Therefore I am not surprised at all that Hornby had issues with something that has to go around a 9" radius curve. Chunky wheels will only make it worse, but I do not think Bachmann wheels will solve it. Fill in the solebar cutouts if you have generous radius curves. Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for that - very interesting and a great example of the difficult choices faced by designers when deciding where to make the inevitable compromises required for the model train market. Another option would have been to shift the solebars out slightly so that even on 9" (or 7.5", if that was the design brief) curves the flanges don't come into contact with them. So if the choice is between correctly position solebar, with cutouts, or overly wide solebar with no cutouts, which is the error that is most likely to be visible? If the solebar was overwide, but had no cutouts, would anyone have noticed without measuring? I can live with the cutouts, but I wonder if I'd have found an overwide solebar easier to accept? TBH I am not sure I'd have even noticed it.... cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted October 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2014 I can concur with Chris' comments. When i made the Queen of Scots set for CF from the old B&H kits I had to seriously open out the insides of the solebars to make room for the 7mm fine scale wheels: and this was using Metro Cam DMU bogies that are shorter than scale. The solebars are fag paper thin on the turning arcs of the wheels and we have 600 mm corners. The Brighton Belle set looks absolutely gorgeous in umber and cream, but if it is supposed to represent the 1934 condition I think it should not have curtains and I suspect the roof would have been lead white. Probably OK for post war tho'. Bit hard to justify one on Copenhagen Fields. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2014 Just had an email from Hornby. My Pullman livered one is on its way to me. It may well be running on Banbury at the Farnham show this weekend with a dummy class 67 'hauling' it!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Crepello Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2014 The November Railway Modeller has clarified the livery differences between 1934 and 1960 liveries in its review of the OO version; main differences in the 1960 version are an elongated Pullman crest on the front and sides, plus dropping of the 'third class' after the car numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hello all, I have a Brighton Belle heading my way, on the basis that one is being restored at Barrow Hill and hopefully will be on the mainline in 2015. Does anyone know which era of umber and cream livery the restoration team are planning to run it in? Will it have the "Third Class" lettering on the bodysides? The website suggests 1930s colours, but presumably it will have to have yellow panels if it is not merely to be towed? Cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2014 The November Railway Modeller has clarified the livery differences between 1934 and 1960 liveries in its review of the OO version; main differences in the 1960 version are an elongated Pullman crest on the front and sides, plus dropping of the 'third class' after the car numbers. Problem may still be the curtains for the 1934 version, or should be lack of. Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hi Chris, Thanks for that - very interesting and a great example of the difficult choices faced by designers when deciding where to make the inevitable compromises required for the model train market. Another option would have been to shift the solebars out slightly so that even on 9" (or 7.5", if that was the design brief) curves the flanges don't come into contact with them. So if the choice is between correctly position solebar, with cutouts, or overly wide solebar with no cutouts, which is the error that is most likely to be visible? If the solebar was overwide, but had no cutouts, would anyone have noticed without measuring? I can live with the cutouts, but I wonder if I'd have found an overwide solebar easier to accept? TBH I am not sure I'd have even noticed it.... cheers Ben A. You might notice wide solebars more than you think. The proportions of a Pullman coach might well be upset if the solebars come more flush with the coach sides than they should be. Some bits of painted plastic strip could be added as replacement solebars. And if you attach them carefully you can perhaps take them off if you do not like the look of the result. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2014 You might notice wide solebars more than you think. The proportions of a Pullman coach might well be upset if the solebars come more flush with the coach sides than they should be. Some bits of painted plastic strip could be added as replacement solebars. And if you attach them carefully you can perhaps take them off if you do not like the look of the result. Chris Yes, you could be right. I was actually thinking of spraying an A4 sized self-adhesive computer label matt black, then cutting out strips the right depth and just sticking them on.... they won't add any significant width hopefully and should be removable... If there's any lettering on the solebar then it may be I could print the strips rather than spray them... Having said that, I may not bother at all if, when the model arrives, the cut outs don't bother me unduly! cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Email,last night,my brown & cream version will be here today(Wed).As it`s a Xmas pressie from my wife,do i run it now or wait for Xmas? Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcadian Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Email,last night,my brown & cream version will be here today(Wed).As it`s a Xmas pressie from my wife,do i run it now or wait for Xmas? Ray. Hello, Ray - Merry Christmas! (running for cover already!!) In view of the current (possibly now the standard) supply pattern, I would suggest that you give it a thorough pre-acceptance/post delivery inspection and test. If it passes these, as it should, then hand it over to the care of the provider, showing your appreciation for it at the same time. This will give you a second chance to be delighted with both the model and the gift in six weeks time! Happiness is always worth sharing! Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 My 1934 Umber/Cream version arrived today. Assemble on the layout (aren't those couplings fiddly!!) and run into the fiddle yard and back - everything looks and works OK. Even though I knew they were there, didn't notice the cutouts... Investigate swapping coach bodies to get them in the right order as the only way I could couple the cars together was Car no 88, 'Doris', 'Hazel', Car no 86, Car no 89 (see post #171). Removed body of 'Hazel' by unclipping one end, running thumbnails down between body and chassis and the other end popped off. Same for 'Doris' and put bodies back on the other chassis. Reassemble and test OK. Then the wife came in and said 'There you are. Something new? That looks like your Christmas present...' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 ... This will give you a second chance to be delighted with both the model and the gift in six weeks time! Six weeks? Shurely shum mishtake there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted October 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2014 Brown Cream Version delivered and tested what a beauty I can live with the "faults" Mrs B wants it back to wrap for Christmas Not sure how Im going to convert the power Car to 2mm standards ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 So the body swap did the trick for you talisman56. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 So the body swap did the trick for you talisman56. Yes - I was going to see how difficult it was to do, but in the end it was pretty easy... Gotta get these things right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BECMAYE Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I received my umber and cream Belle today, very pleased with it. It runs very smoothly straight from the box. It worked fine on Kato track and Peco track. It was fairly easy to connect but had to be careful. The table lights are a nice touch. Hope they do more models, especially emus, a 2BIL maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I received my umber and cream Belle today, very pleased with it. It runs very smoothly straight from the box. It worked fine on Kato track and Peco track. It was fairly easy to connect but had to be careful. The table lights are a nice touch. Hope they do more models, especially emus, a 2BIL maybe? How about a 6 Car Trans Penine Express DMU? " liveries available to produce ( Green & Blue Grey) Hopefully my Brown Belle will arrive tomorroww!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Just a Quick OT Query!! Can anyone advise me who Hornby are using for deliveries in the UK? Is it Royal Mail or annother company, my delivery is due apparently Thanks Steve EDITED 10-05!! If I Had waited 5 minutes!!!!!!!!!! Its just arrived Delivered by a local North Wales carrier Cooper Carriers on behalf of UK MAIL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted October 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2014 Mine hadn't arrived as of last night Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Mine hadn't arrived as of last night I got eMail from Hornby latish yesterday evening but it was unreadable it was just a page of garbish, anyway i phoned Hornby this morning to advise them of this and they confirmed it had been despatched yesterday and it arrived by local courier before 10.00 AM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 What a pleasant change to see almost everyone reporting on time or early deliveries from Hornby. I was away on holiday when mine was delivered and UK Mail emailed me to tell me it had been left with a neighbour as I had requested. Delivery time was 10am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 From Hornby's website.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 No two ways about it - that looks absolutely fantastic and better than the pictures of the prototype that I'd seen. Fiddly couplings aside, I've gone and bought a second set in the earlier livery. SWMBO is going to have words, I'm sure.... A poster on the N Gauge Forum a day or two ago stated that Hornby had already sold 400 of these sets. Does anyone know if that is correct? If it is, I'm thrilled for Horby and for what it may mean for N scale modelers. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well I have not had a chance to open mine yet and its been here for 9 hours now (my wife returned home yesterday from a stay in hospital so obviously she takes precedence over trrains) But looking at the Belle in the box it looks superb and dare i say it looks even better than the 00 versions! I am sorely tempted to order a second on and run a 10BEL ( as most of the services in reality were run) Measuring up recently and Ii actually worked out I could accomodate a 9 car unit and the service was occasionally run as a 9 BEL when individual cars were removed from tthe sets for attention. Somewhere I have a phot of a 9 BEL which I will try to find! 400 Units Presold? not sure how we could confirm that figure, but hopefully sales will be good which may lead to more UK outline N gauge items (such as thee 6 car Trans Pennine Express which I keep mentioning!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2014 Wow - hard to believe this is N gauge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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