Indomitable026 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Does the bracing need to be both ways or just one? Thinking about it, it's probably diagonals in both ways... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thinking about it, it's probably diagonals in both ways... Just think about the Thomas layout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Does the bracing need to be both ways or just one? Two off them opposing, could be one either end, just be wary of point motor fitment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Two off them opposing, could be one either end, just be wary of point motor fitment Ok, the main frame will be at scenic base level and the track will higher on an elevated section. So I'm ok with diagonals on the base section but need to plan motor positions and cross members on the upper section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Just think about the Thomas layout... Yes. And that was only quarter inch ply albeit laminated in places. Why have forgotten all this? Hmmmmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Yes. And that was only quarter inch ply albeit laminated in places. Why have forgotten all this? Hmmmmm Long time ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2015 Long time ago In a galaxy far far away... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Long time ago Stressful job, useful things fall out the back of my brain to be replaced with nonsense. Anyway I think I know what we are doing now after plenty of prompting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Oh and Slimrails has just advised that L&B loco body kit is on it's way... Boom!! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2015 No problem with using soft-board, just don't use one long piece. I've used Sundeala, but I cut into into short lengths (about 6 - 8 inches)and fixed them to the plywood individually. That way any warping is minimal, and won't pull the whole baseboard out of shape. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 No problem with using soft-board, just don't use one long piece. I've used Sundeala, but I cut into into short lengths (about 6 - 8 inches)and fixed them to the plywood individually. That way any warping is minimal, and won't pull the whole baseboard out of shape. Cheers, Dave. When I say soft board I am not referring to Sundeala, Sundeala is a different animal compared to what I was referring too and is a lot better quality and more expensive, and comes in at least two different grades I can't remember any other name for it than soft board it is brown and soft unlike Sundeala which is grey and dense Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted September 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2015 When I say soft board I am not referring to Sundeala, Sundeala is a different animal compared to what I was referring too and is a lot better quality and more expensive, and comes in at least two different grades I can't remember any other name for it than soft board it is brown and soft unlike Sundeala which is grey and dense Geoff I know what you mean Geoff, but Sundeala warps as well, and its a lot harder to straighten! Is it "Wood Fibre Insulation Board" that you have used? The stuff CJ Freezer used to recommend for baseboards in RM? Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I know what you mean Geoff, but Sundeala warps as well, and its a lot harder to straighten! Is it "Wood Fibre Insulation Board" that you have used? The stuff CJ Freezer used to recommend for baseboards in RM? Cheers, Dave. It wasn't a warping problem it was the soft board used as an underlay for the cork This that I am referring to takes us back to 1990's not present day, the board that was used is hygroscopic, expands when wet, on one occassion we had stock falling of the track when going through one of the main turnouts of the layout, what had happened was during storage the area under the common crossing had got wet resulting in that area rising so that the common crossing was higher than the stock rails Their is still a board on the market that is referred to as soft board use for insulation and sound proofing Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loconuts Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Not being an expert on this matter I would like to say i built some four by two boards some 15 years ago, these are still in use on the new layout. The boards were made using quarter inch ply with 2 inch by 1 inch (PAR) around the edges, glued and screwed, a central cross brace with two diagonals in opposing directions. Not one has warped in the 15 years. they were all given a coat of varnish before work began on laying track. I would add that these boards have never been in a centrally heated environment, but have been housed in a garage or summer house. Also the framing timber is well seasoned, I tend to purchase my timber well in advanced and store it for a couple of years which allows it to dry out. Loconuts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 I've been with Black Country Blues at Halifax show today. Lots of discussion ensued around all subjects on the Bratton Fleming project. The Slimlines Body kit has started its journey to builder Chris-GNR. Coach build decisions were made around the new brass etchings and the 'plasticard' bodies with Paul and Mike (Worsdell forever & 49395). Couplings were also handed out. John (Old Gringo) entered the fray by naming one of the diesel track cleaning locos 'Ajax' after one of my cats amongst other things. The other one will be named Rodney after the other one OG couldn't remember (not Dave). Wagon Basher put some of the new - very expensive - couplings in his wallet. He was heard saying that he's decided he's doing the easy pretty bits on the wagons leaving the difficult chassis bits for Mark (Forrest), oops Geoff Cook kindly gave me advice on regauging the Track cleaning pair, agreed the wheel and axle size for the re-gauging jig and also further explained diagonal bracing on the baseboards. Thanks to Mike I've also acquired two more books from Nick Tozer; So a good day all round 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted September 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2015 (edited) So a good day all round Sounds like it. I've drawn a blank so far in tracing any loco kits, but its still early days. Annoyed that I can't get to the L&B Gala this weekend, Blanche from the Festiniog is visiting. Cheers, Dave. Edited September 26, 2015 by DLT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Sounds like it. I've drawn a blank so far in tracing any loco kits, but its still early days. Annoyed that I can't get to the L&B Gala this weekend, Blanche from the Festiniog is visiting. Cheers, Dave. No worries Dave. Yes I'd noticed Blanche going to Woody Bay although I've always fancied Linda... Perhaps a double headed special on BF one day? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Right then, I've done a bit of scribble this morning to show my current thoughts on transit boxes and their use as legs for the layout; Notes; 3 Boards per box Board height at least 12" "I" section height adjustable to compensate for floor discrepancies Use of aluminium box section for longitudinal beams (9 feet - check trailer) Depending on strength of aluminium intermediate supports may be required Wheels on boxes need brakes Boards removed from ends of boxes 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted September 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2015 L&B Gala this weekend, Blanche from the Festiniog is visiting. I have found this on You Tube (Thanks to Harry 4468) Lots of steam action - sit back and enjoy - pity it's only 3.5 minutes . . . . . . Video Slide show of stills . 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted September 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2015 Thanks very much Mike (he says through gritted teeth...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 I have found this on You Tube (Thanks to Harry 4468) Lots of steam action - sit back and enjoy - pity it's only 3.5 minutes . . . . . . Video Slide show of stills . There's some nice stuff on there. I like the older films as well in particular the September 2014 gala with new build 190 LYD. Has it got a cut down cab or is it my imagination? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted September 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2015 The cab of Lyd is profiled to clear the Festiniog loading gauge, which I think is dictated by the size of Garnedd Tunnel. So yes, the edges of the cab are more rounded off than the original locos. Cheers, Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mudmagnet Posted September 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 27, 2015 Unfortunately I could get to visit myself this weekend as camping. Glorious weather though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted September 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2015 Right then, I've done a bit of scribble this morning to show my current thoughts on transit boxes and their use as legs for the layout;transit boxes.jpgNotes;3 Boards per boxBoard height at least 12""I" section height adjustable to compensate for floor discrepanciesUse of aluminium box section for longitudinal beams (9 feet - check trailer)Depending on strength of aluminium intermediate supports may be requiredWheels on boxes need brakesBoards removed from ends of boxes What section are you planning to use for the beams? If your sketch is sort of to scale you will have no problems unless you're going to use lead or similar for the baseboards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 What section are you planning to use for the beams? If your sketch is sort of to scale you will have no problems unless you're going to use lead or similar for the baseboards. Aluminium rectangular box section, the sort of stuff on your ladders - the layout is 18-20 feet long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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