RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted December 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: I won't spell it out - you know the answer; 25kv AC versus ?00v DC! @Davexocput it succinctly above, plus anyway it's the amps that kill you, the voltage just lets it jump further to kill you. Even tramway DC voltages are way above domestic voltage so much greater precautions have to be taken. When the ACLG were restoring the ACs to working order, we were told by any number of people - including one or two of the co-owners! - that it would never happen because we didn't really know what we were doing and no-one would accept volunteers working on high voltage electric locos. They were wrong on both counts. I've probably said on this thread before, but there is nothing in a safety case that requires anyone working on such equipment to be paid, they only need to be competent. At the time of 86101's restoration (which I actually had very little to do with), I was working on the Eurofighter Typhoon safety case. This is a weapon system costing about £30M, plus another £10M for a pilot, capable of Mach 2 and with enough firepower to flatten a square kilometre or two of a city. Quite a "dangerous" item; however, nowhere in its safety case did it say anything about paying the designers, manufacturers, aircrew or maintainers. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 32 minutes ago, Northmoor said: @Davexocput it succinctly above, plus anyway it's the amps that kill you, the voltage just lets it jump further to kill you. Even tramway DC voltages are way above domestic voltage so much greater precautions have to be taken. When the ACLG were restoring the ACs to working order, we were told by any number of people - including one or two of the co-owners! - that it would never happen because we didn't really know what we were doing and no-one would accept volunteers working on high voltage electric locos. They were wrong on both counts. I've probably said on this thread before, but there is nothing in a safety case that requires anyone working on such equipment to be paid, they only need to be competent. At the time of 86101's restoration (which I actually had very little to do with), I was working on the Eurofighter Typhoon safety case. This is a weapon system costing about £30M, plus another £10M for a pilot, capable of Mach 2 and with enough firepower to flatten a square kilometre or two of a city. Quite a "dangerous" item; however, nowhere in its safety case did it say anything about paying the designers, manufacturers, aircrew or maintainers. I'd think high voltage electric locos would be ideal tests of competency ... if you can get them working and not come away with an unintentional funky new hairstyle and charring you must know what you're doing! ... ;) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 4 hours ago, ianmacc said: Indeed. Aware of the reasons. The chance of getting OLE for heritage lines is as close to zero as possible for the patently obvious reasons of safety! Is there only 1 86 now? Assuming 259. 101 and 401 retired? Which is the 87? 002? Nice that a couple of 90s are retained in heritage condition. My mistake. I forgot about 86259. I thought I had got away with that by mentioning 110mph, but you caught me out. 😁 I've not seen 86401 for a while. I think it is in store at Carnforth. I don't think it is permanently out of use though. 86101, 87002, 90001 & 90002 are in service & kept at Crewe when not in use. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 3 hours ago, cctransuk said: I won't spell it out - you know the answer; 25kv AC versus ?00v DC! CJI. I don't think the voltage is the issue. 25kV is obviously better able to push a deadly current through you than 750v but it is 15' up in the air, which is significant. I doubt any new system would be allowed to install an open 3rd rail now because it is easy to step on it (DLR is upside down & protected), but extending one is a different matter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 20/12/2022 at 21:45, ianmacc said: Was reflecting on this thread earlier. I was 13 in 1989 and grew up in NW England so these ACs were everywhere back then. How many now? One each of AL1 to AL5 all stuffed and mounted. Three or so mainline registered 86s. Any 87s? Even the then-brand new 90s have faced inroads. 303s one left, no 304s. I know it’s the same everywhere but still quite sad. This exact problem occurs in France where they've had their electrics quite a while longer than most of ours. When I was able to get around France on my own recording what I saw, it wasn't uncommon to come across plinthed electric locos and even some stored in collections, sometimes away from the ohle. "Just to look at, just so we still can", I was told 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post montyburns56 Posted December 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2022 83014 Stafford 1976 by Crewcastrian 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 83005 Liverpool Lime Street by Paul Corrie 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 83005 & 82006, Crewe Works 1977 by Crewcastrian 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Saw this on the Hornby 87 thread, Rugby used to look awesome. 14 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rugd1022 Posted January 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2023 15 hours ago, woodenhead said: Saw this on the Hornby 87 thread, Rugby used to look awesome. It certainly did... 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted January 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2023 Love these @Rugd1022, especially the old guy with the sheepdog watching the 87 over the fence! I must scan in my photos taken at Rugby over 20 years ago; when Southern introduced their through service I took the opportunity to travel up there and get lots of photos. It still looked like Crewe pre-modernisation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Northmoor said: It still looked like Crewe pre-modernisation. Don't remind me of the old Crewe....it was magnificent 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted January 1, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Don't remind me of the old Crewe....it was magnificent I haven't spent any time on Crewe station for about 20 years and don't remember it pre-modernisation, but you can understand why it was done. ISTR the limit on the through lines was increased from 20 to 80mph. What is impressive (compared to now) is how much work was done during a relatively short blockade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Northmoor said: I haven't spent any time on Crewe station for about 20 years and don't remember it pre-modernisation, but you can understand why it was done. ISTR the limit on the through lines was increased from 20 to 80mph. What is impressive (compared to now) is how much work was done during a relatively short blockade. It was a life expired station, I know this and shifting the station activity over to the eastern platforms and abandoning the most curvacious part of the station made sense. But it was a shadow of its former self and then they had to strip away the roof sections of those abandoned parts ruining the architecture and making the whole station area look like a bomb site. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 83007 1976 Manchester Piccadilly by John Woolley 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: 83007 1976 Manchester Piccadilly by John Woolley Looking immaculate too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2023 I'll just pop this on here. I recall it was in the first page or so of the thread, interestingly, as it is my slide, but I didn't post it there! Euston, summer 76. 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2023 Somewhere south of Carlisle, 1984/5 ish. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2023 Can't remember where this is - its 1976 though! Birmingum? 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2023 Carlisle southbound, 1976 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted January 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2023 Crewe 1976, shame about the masts. Guessed time exposure. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 22 hours ago, ianmacc said: Looking immaculate too Apart from the Widnes RUFC sticker in the window! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 ADB968021 (ex 84009) Ely 1991 by Crewcastrian 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmacc Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, montyburns56 said: ADB968021 (ex 84009) Ely 1991 by Crewcastrian A North British modernisation plan locomotive at 31 years old still in service! Rare as hen’s teeth!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted January 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, montyburns56 said: ADB968021 (ex 84009) Ely 1991 by Crewcastrian That frustrated feeling when you have run out of these … I’ve been scanning some of my older pictures and a few of 87101 below; While at Milton Keynes Central during 15th July 1993, she whizzes through light engine along the Up Fast … A few weeks later on display at Worksop open day during 5th September 1993 … Another open day, this time at Crewe Basford Hall during 21st August 1994 Now in retro BR Blue livery, at the Crewe open day during 28th August 1995 … She visited Tinsley open during 27th April 1996 … The Crewe works open day during 16th August 1996 … During 3rd May 1997, Crewe Electric depot had an open day and as part of the event, 87101 hauled a Hertfordshire Rail Tour to/from the event. Here she is at Euston … Arriving at the open day … Edited January 4, 2023 by Patriot87003 Removed a spare pic 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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