RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 29, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2021 Clive .. very nice but am using some of the latest Hornby Offerings - they are so much more superior in shape, size and also underframe details and bogies than the ones you have used. Time you got the paint can out .. you have enough coaches awaiting painting to make it worth while! Keep up the conversions! Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Barry O said: Clive .. very nice but am using some of the latest Hornby Offerings - they are so much more superior in shape, size and also underframe details and bogies than the ones you have used. Time you got the paint can out .. you have enough coaches awaiting painting to make it worth while! Keep up the conversions! Baz Hi Baz Like you I have a few surplus Hornby FKs, what to do with them? About 7.00pm tonight I scanned in the diagram of a D1730 BSK (all steel period II) and messed around to do the corridor side of the drawing. I then set about removing the upper half of both sides of the FK, sadly one side's lower half decided to go bang and become several parts, one of which I couldn't find. Small enough hole to fill with filler. I then cut out of plastic card the two upper halves to convert said FK into the BSK. They almost fitted straight away only needing slight adjustment. Any gaps the filler can deal with. The roof needs sorting out, there is some work to do on the undergubbins, door drop lights need fitting, as do the covered vents on the doors and over the corridor side windows. The compartment windows have stones ventilators above them. I also have to make a pair of duckets. Compartment side, I have made a start at tidying up the windows, they have a very small radius fillet in the corners. Corridor side. With the damaged lower side. Edited December 29, 2021 by Clive Mortimore 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 1, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Clive A quick coat of Halfords primer would make it easier to check the new joints on the coach sides. Busy building interiors at the moment. Not my favourite job! Baz Edited January 6, 2022 by Barry O 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 6, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) so after a break for the Festivities these are nearly complete (seems to have lost its number!) and Both need weathering and the roof details sorting.. Baz Edited October 31, 2023 by Barry O spellung 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 20, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) I acquired two Slaters RCH opens kits from @St Enodoc while I was last in Oz. In conversation with Mike Edge mention was made of pit prop loaded opens for the colliery branch on his new Layout (Wentworth Junction - as seen on Modelling Real Locations thread on RMWeb) I have now bodged the wagons together and today we spent cutting up blackberry canes to provide pit props as a load for 1 wagon. only need to do the other one... Baz Edited January 21, 2022 by Barry O 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 hours ago, Barry O said: I acquired two Slaters RCH opens kits from @St Enodoc while I was last in Oz. In conversation with Mike Edge mention was made of pit prop loaded opens for the colliery branch on his new Layout (Wentworth Junction - as seen on Modelling Real Locations thread on RMWeb) I have now bodged the wagons together and today we spent cutting up blackberry canes to provide pit props as a load for 1 wagon. only need to do the other one... Baz Were the wagons left uncovered? Carrying pit props in rain like this would allow moisture to seep into the props. Chris. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 21, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandhole said: Were the wagons left uncovered? Carrying pit props in rain like this would allow moisture to seep into the props. Chris. The ones I remember from the North East were uncovered - but that may have been due to them about to be unloaded at our pit. Baz 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 I've seen lots of photos of wagonloads of pit props unsheeted, in yards and pits - of course you can't tell what's under a sheet..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 I've also seen plenty of photos of unsheeted pitwood. There's no mention of sheeting in these official instructions on the excellent Barrowmore site: http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Booklet_BR20425_Issue.pdf Simon 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Plenty of pics of them on Manchester (Salford) docks loaded with unsheeted pit props. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Given that the props were likely stored in the open at docks and pit it seems unlikely they would be sheeted. There are certainly pictures of whole trains of props travelling up “the valleys” that are open. Several different ways of loading them depending on their size too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2022 I know Barry needs S Yorkshire practice in 1950ish, but to continue the S Wales contributions, here's a nice example in my current neck of the woods on Flickr RR 38 at Heath, Cardiff, Jan 1955, (photographer John Wiltshire, uploaded byPeter Brabham): Simon 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 22, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2022 All the ones coming to our pit..Horden in County Durham came from West Hartlepool docks.. the piles of props at the docks were huge. As time went on the increased use of Dowty self moving props cut the need for wooden pit props. Shame as it made great firewood. Baz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 23, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2022 The GWR General Appendix from 1936 has about four pages on loading pit timber. It's a bit of a fragile document due to age but I will try to scan or photograph later. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2022 GWR 1936 General Appendix, sorry for the quality but it's a bit fragile and anything better would need to break it up. The more simplistic version from the BR freight loading book. 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwinian Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 That’s brilliant, I’ve not seen 20t wagons loaded with props before. Now I’ve got something else to try. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
41516 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 27/01/2022 at 19:44, Darwinian said: That’s brilliant, I’ve not seen 20t wagons loaded with props before. Now I’ve got something else to try. This appeared in the 16t Minerals thread, and I thought of this comment! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 22/01/2022 at 09:20, Barry O said: All the ones coming to our pit..Horden in County Durham came from West Hartlepool docks.. the piles of props at the docks were huge. As time went on the increased use of Dowty self moving props cut the need for wooden pit props. Shame as it made great firewood. Baz Timber continued to be used for chocking and roadway support until the end. I am unsure as to the date of introduction, but the tanalising process was originally developed as a fire retardant measure. It was later discovered to have preservation benefits. Miners were said to prefer the wooden props as they would " talk", giving notice of movement in the roof. Steel remained silent until it failed. The timbers used for these purposes were of smaller section and in later years, probably brought in by road. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted February 9, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 12/03/2021 at 18:24, Barry O said: Found a nice tin of Humbrol signal yellow so... nearly done.. operating wires and backblinds to do... Baz It might be a silly question, or much too late, but why the Red/Yellow glasses on the distant arm? I thought that they were always (at least after the change to yellow arms) Yellow/Blue, otherwise you're giving caution/clear by day, but danger/caution by night. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 hours ago, 41516 said: This appeared in the 16t Minerals thread, and I thought of this comment! Not noticed the two different styles of ends to the brake van roofs before. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted February 9, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: Not noticed the two different styles of ends to the brake van roofs before. Different handrails as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 9, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2022 That's because one of them (nearest the loco) is am LNER van not the BR version. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Just now, Michael Edge said: That's because one of them (nearest the loco) is am LNER van not the BR version. I just noticed the short footboards.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 9, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2022 That's the most obvious difference, also no concrete weights on the end platforms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
41516 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) B950509 as an odd duck has been covered before: Another picture: https://twitter.com/SalopianLyne/status/1274471399839674369/photo/1 Edit - Briefly mentioned in "British Railways Brakevans & Ballast Ploughs" by Eric Gent, p7, noted as rebodied in plywood. Quite why as a 1/500 van it has full length footboards remains unclear.... Edited February 9, 2022 by 41516 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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