Hornby Announce Mk1 FO and BSO

[stewartingram]

Any maroon ones arrived yet?

 

Stewart

[steve1023]

Any maroon ones arrived yet?

 

Stewart

Not in Gaugemaster today, although the full range of blue/grey models appeared to be present.

[Opelsi]

Anyone compared with the Bachmann blue grey?

 

The blue is a darker shade than the current Bachmann interpretation.

 

It is nearer to the original Bachmann blue interpretation when they first launched their Mk1's which is more than a little while ago now.

 

I do like these new Hornby Mk1's. Got a rake in Green also.

 

Can confirm the BSO has an open interior too, as per someone else's recent post.

 

Hope you all enjoy!

[robertcwp]

Some colour comparisons, with the usual health warnings about vagaries of camera and lighting.

 

Recent Bachmann blue/grey v newest Hornby. Also visible in shot are some older Bachmann Mark Is, a Hornby 50 and a Lima 31 (now on a Hornby Railroad chassis):

P1080188m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

Mainline RB on the left and first batch Bachmann Mark IIa on the right:

20171019_121400_m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

And a closer view of an FO:

20171019_121348_m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

Apart from the colours being very different to Bachmann, I thought the window corners were a bit on the rounded side, certainly more so than on a Bachmann Mark I.

[davidw]

Some colour comparisons, with the usual health warnings about vagaries of camera and lighting.

 

Recent Bachmann blue/grey v newest Hornby. Also visible in shot are some older Bachmann Mark Is, a Hornby 50 and a Lima 31 (now on a Hornby Railroad chassis):

P1080188m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

Mainline RB on the left and first batch Bachmann Mark IIa on the right:

20171019_121400_m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

And a closer view of an FO:

20171019_121348_m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

Apart from the colours being very different to Bachmann, I thought the window corners were a bit on the rounded side, certainly more so than on a Bachmann Mark I.

Hopefully the Maroonversions will be closer to the Bachmann versions like the previous release.

[robertcwp]

Interesting! Was that running with anything like the booked stock Robert?

 

Phil

 

 

Not what was in the 1968 carriage workings but things changed a lot during that timetable (in particular brakes were in many cases moved to be together rather than at each end) and by May 1969 the train was listed with two BSK leading rather than two BSO. However, as at certain times the stock alternated between WR and ER this could be the ER set.  I don't have the ER cross-country workings for either 1968 or 1969 and by 1970 it had changed to having a BG instead.

[mikeyh]

Hi,

 

My 2 arrived yesterday from Rails. Had a few minutes this evening to get them out and take a few snaps if of any interest?

 

The FO appears to have 2+1 seat moulding which I assume is correct?

 

And open 2+2 seating in the BSO.

 

Coupled to Bachmann BSK.

 

And a closer view - Bachmann on the left.

 

The lettering and numbers seem smaller on the Hornby - don't know which is correct or I guess they both could be for different vehicles or different times?

 

Just noticed the Bachmann on the left is off the rails. Both Hornby BSO and FO have the black end doors.

 

Hornby also has a darker roof.

 

 

And finally colour comparison with a Bachmann Peak.

 

Overall I'm very pleased with them and would be quite happy to run in mixed rakes with Bachmann.

 

Hope of some help.

 

Mike

[toboldlygo]

Hi,

 

 

 

From what little I know about carriage numbering could vary in size, between regions.

 

However I'm slightly worried that your cross-breeding program between a Hornby and Bachmann MK1, could result in a disturbing offspring

[FPH 603]

Hi,

 

My 2 arrived yesterday from Rails. Had a few minutes this evening to get them out and take a few snaps if of any interest?

 

The FO appears to have 2+1 seat moulding which I assume is correct?

 

And open 2+2 seating in the BSO.

 

Coupled to Bachmann BSK.

 

And a closer view - Bachmann on the left.

 

The lettering and numbers seem smaller on the Hornby - don't know which is correct or I guess they both could be for different vehicles or different times?

 

Just noticed the Bachmann on the left is off the rails. Both Hornby BSO and FO have the black end doors.

 

Hornby also has a darker roof.

 

 

And finally colour comparison with a Bachmann Peak.

 

Overall I'm very pleased with them and would be quite happy to run in mixed rakes with Bachmann.

 

Hope of some help.

 

Mike

I intend on making two new chassis sets for the new BSO and FO (once I get my hands on them) and making them look like a DMU set with a class 126 based front end with class 101 based underframe for the BSO with exhaust pipes on the back too. I dismantled one of my Hornby Mk1's only to find that I will have to make an entirely new chassis as the ends are attached to the existing Hornby chassis.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3809/10576215806_f963535df8_b.jpg

Edited October 24, 2017 by DoubleDeckInterurban

[FPH 603]

My proposal for my DMMU (Diesel Mechanical Multiple Unit) which I mentioned in my previous post. Note the brake coach has white equipment it's supposed to be from a N.S.W.R 620 class (specifically a set of Cummins NTA - 855 R4 engines with Voith Transmissions). I will use the completed two car set in a micro layout I am planning.

Edited October 25, 2017 by DoubleDeckInterurban

[Phil Bullock]

Has anyone tried close coupling them with the Hornby/Roco style couplers yet?

 

Cheers

 

Phil
 

[ThaneofFife]

A marked difference in the height of the gangway corridors between the Bachmann and the Hornby.

 

Which one was is the most correct?

[adb968008]

Comparing my Hornby’s to my Bachmanns, I found Hornby’s is wider and shorter, Bachmanns being taller and slimmer.

 

Gut feel, from looking at it, is Hornby has the better shape profile.

 

For continuity, I bought an older Hornby Mk1 buffet, this is longer in length (about 4-6mm !) and but holds pretty much the same shape as the recent sk/bsk/so ( I tried to swap chassis from an SK to put with the buffet but it’s a no go, so I swapped the lighting unit and bogies instead) and it sits lower & closer to profile of the new ones as a result.

 

I now have a 6 coach rake in maroon, BSK/SK/SK/RMB/CK/BSK all with the same Hornby lighting kit and bogies.

 

The buffet is the odd one out because of the window edges, but it sits better than the Bachmann one, in colour, height and profile when in a Hornby rake, i’m hoping Hornby’s 2018 range will fix this properly.

 

Overall I think Hornby did a good job with the New Mk1, it might have moulded fittings but it is very nice, however personally Bachmann/Hornby don’t match.. a Mk1 shape is exactly that..when you look down a train consisting of mk1’s..its very straight and true, along the roofline, gutterline and sole bar it’s very uniformal.. it’s not a mix match of different heights and widths...unless it’s a train of mixed Mk1/2and anything else...colour is a different topic, except for roof deterioration of colours, in the days of blue and grey there was much less interpretation...standard means standard.

 

Here’s a video I did of a Peckett pulling 8 last year... it’s got everything in it.. old Hornby, New Hornby and Bachmann.. it’s easy to tell which is which, when really I shouldn’t be able to:

 

 

My recommendation would be to buy a full rake because together it looks a very good set but not to mix match Manufacturers, unless your mix matching different coach versions (Mk1/2 etc).

Edited October 25, 2017 by adb968008

[adb968008]

Despite my protestations, it looks like I got caught out on my own preorders today as 4 blue greys accidentally arrived, two TSOs, BSO and the FO.

 

I put it alongside my Replica Railways FO, and surprised how dead on these two were, indeed the Replica FO, if it had flush glazing may actually have taken the lead off of the Hornby one.

Edited October 25, 2017 by adb968008

[toboldlygo]

Despite my protestations, it looks like I got caught out on my own preorders today as 4 blue greys accidentally arrived, two TSOs, BSO and the FO.

 

I put it alongside my Replica Railways FO, and surprised how dead on these two were, indeed the Replica FO, if it had flush glazing may actually have taken the lead off of the Hornby one.

 

This cross-breeding of Mark 1's is going to end in tears (of laughter), mark my words....

 

First

 

Bachby or Hornmann

 

Now

 

Replornby or Hornica

 

 

   

Edited October 25, 2017 by toboldlygo

[Bob Reid]

A marked difference in the height of the gangway corridors between the Bachmann and the Hornby.

 

Which one was is the most correct?

Technically I'd say neither - to some extent the Hornby one is sitting a fraction high and the Bachmann one a bit low - combine this with Bachmann faceplate being short at 31.4mm and the Hornby one tall at 32.1 when they both should be 31.83mm

 

There is something else going on though for the difference when coupled looks a lot more than the 0.7mm it measures out at. Time for more measuring of gnat's whiskers...

 

The Hornby one at first glance looks the better though.

[Ian J.]

Interesting the difference in the roofs between the old Replica and Hornby's new FO. The 'ribs' that aren't ribs stand far too proud on the H, while they are, more correctly, almost invisible on the old R.

[adb968008]

This cross-breeding of Mark 1's is going to end in tears (of laughter), mark my words....

 

First

 

Bachby or Hornmann

 

Now

 

Replornby or Hornica

 

 

Here is a 3 some...

Notice the “trim” line effect when you have two manufacturers the same next to each other.

Not quite as apparent when you mix and match

Edited October 25, 2017 by adb968008

[adb968008]

Technically I'd say neither - to some extent the Hornby one is sitting a fraction high and the Bachmann one a bit low - combine this with Bachmann faceplate being short at 31.4mm and the Hornby one tall at 32.1 when they both should be 31.83mmThere is something else going on though for the difference when coupled looks a lot more than the 0.7mm it measures out at. Time for more measuring of gnat's whiskers...The Hornby one at first glance looks the better though.

Putting the Replica FO next to the Hornby one the gangways fit nicely, putting the Replica FO against Bachmann they offset in height.

Same offset is true for Hornby and Bachmann.

Surprising given the history of the Replica one, I would have thought it fits Bachmanns profile better, but that’s not the case.

Edited October 25, 2017 by adb968008

[Enterprisingwestern]

So, are the end footsteps easier to add or remove?, or is it too much to expect accuracy on a £40+ model?

 

Mike.

[Phil Bullock]

Yes, something of an oxymoron to have the steps and OHLE flash!

 

Done the job on our Bachmann swingers though so am sure these wont be too difficult either

 

Phil

[Signaller69]

End footsteps which had gone by the mid 60s and the prominent roof ribs; if Trix could get these aspects right in the 70s (albeit in 1/80 scale) it does seem a backwards step.

Edit to add photo.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Signaller69

[Budgie]

What happened to all the lettering on that Trix coach end? And shouldn't the ends of the coach sides be black, the same colour as the coach end? Ditto the roof.

[Signaller69]

What happened to all the lettering on that Trix coach end? And shouldn't the ends of the coach sides be black, the same colour as the coach end? Ditto the roof.

No. The ends should be blue. I possibly sounded more critical than was intentioned, I'm not advocating old Trix coaches over modern ones by any means, and Bachmann also have the end steps and roof ribs, although Lettering is easy to add compared to removing steps and roof ribs for those who feel the need.

[brushman47544]

It does amaze me how Mainline managed to get the roof ribs spot on, way back when, yet neither Hornby nor Bachmann have been able to match them since.