Bachmann Rep Limited Editions

[steve1023]

I wonder how sales of the VDA are going?

[tetsudofan]

Does anyone know where I might find a Colas one? An Internet trawl is proving fruitless! Ta in advance

The Hobby Shop at Faversham (www.hobb-e-mail.com)has the Colas model listed on his website.

 

Keith

 

edit: oops, see that Classy52 has already provided a link

Edited February 6, 2018 by tetsudofan

[Aycliffe]

They are etched nameplates supplied in a separate bag thus they are not fitted so you should be fine to renumber.

Little bit more work than removing the name though, 47818 now sports flush fronts on both ends and the 57 style radiator covers. 

[Widnes Model Centre]

Must admit I’m surprised at this free talk of all getting together and setting a price. I thought this was prohibited. The company I work for has very explicit guidelines on what can and cannot be discussed. Certainly not fixing the price to the consumers detriment. It actually prefers us not to talk to competitors at all just in case price fixing is perceived. So it is a very sensitive area and certainly we would never discuss price in a forum where competitors are present. In fact prices are usually only agreed Direct with customer and never divulged elsewhere. And I believe that’s the way it should be

 

Understanding Competition Law may assist. The advice I was given seemed proportionate with this matter.

 

The price was not fixed by anyone, price was fixed by Bachmann when they announced an RRP.  Agreeing to sell at the RRP gives no one an edge over anyone.

 

Competition laws become really effective when one company has a market share of over 50% and dictates a price that would disadvantage competitors. Obviously a lot more complicated than that but that's a brief synopsis.

 

Often  quoted on here is that shops sell at the "usual discounted rate of  x% discount for a minimum of x weeks". It is seen that that is perfectly acceptable and any shop that doesn't operate this discount if seen as overcharging. Is that price fixing?

[truffy]

I agree. My understanding of price-fixing under competition law relates to independent producers/suppliers fixing a price. But that was not the case here, because the price was st by a single supplier (Bachmann's RRP) so all downstream players were on the same level.

Edited February 6, 2018 by truffy

[Legend]

Understanding Competition Law may assist. The advice I was given seemed proportionate with this matter.

 

The price was not fixed by anyone, price was fixed by Bachmann when they announced an RRP. Agreeing to sell at the RRP gives no one an edge over anyone.

 

Competition laws become really effective when one company has a market share of over 50% and dictates a price that would disadvantage competitors. Obviously a lot more complicated than that but that's a brief synopsis.

 

Often quoted on here is that shops sell at the "usual discounted rate of x% discount for a minimum of x weeks". It is seen that that is perfectly acceptable and any shop that doesn't operate this discount if seen as overcharging. Is that price fixing?

I accept what you say is made in good faith but it differs from the guidance I’ve been given by a large corporation with lots of legal and compliance experience Edited February 6, 2018 by Legend

[adb968008]

I agree. My understanding of price-fixing under competition law relates to independent producers/suppliers fixing a price. But that was not the case here, because the price was st by a single supplier (Bachmann's RRP) so all downstream players were on the same level.

Absolutely.

 

None of these shops “made” this model, they are not “supplying” it either. The shop is a reseller.

The model is supplied to a geography, but it’s sale to end customers is not constrained...anyone can buy them. Similarly whilst it’s supply is limited to 512, it’s not being restricted.. I assume any shop could order 0:M at free will.

They are free to sell it how they want, which if they want to make a deal between them, they are free to do.

 

Same applies if all the shops got together and commissioned their own model to sell between them.

 

If down the road it failed to sell nothing binds the shops together or prevents them getting individually creative to sell without comeback. That one shop has broke ranks, at the ire of the others is just that, not much that can be done about it...if there was, from above however,..that might be a different story, but even then there are routes where it is permitted.

 

Competition laws are aimed at manufacturers/suppliers using their market position to manage the market. Resellers are not so constrained by these laws, as they have no control over supply... they didn’t make it.

 

I suspect where most posts are heading is..is Article 101..

To read up more of it, in less legal speak, wiki has a good write up, the section is Article 101 which relates to collusion, cartels, pricing and in this case horizontal agreements, between resellers...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_101_of_the_Treaty_on_the_Functioning_of_the_European_Union

 

The starting criteria where it struggles is market dominance.. you need to prove that more than 10% of the market is controlled by these resellers, it might not even make 10% of the North West UK market... I can count at least 50 shops within an hour or so of Manchester an many of them may not even have an interest in this model.

 

It’d be tough to argue a bunch of shops agreeing a price of 512 limited edition models exclusive to their area of a specialist nature represents 10% Of the EU market for model railways, or even 10% of supply of OO Gauge class 47’s...remember there’s competing 47’s out there... in both variety and manufacturers.

 

Even if one of the UKs biggest shops was part of it, it’s clear they aren’t able to eliminate competition across the UK or EU with the mass range to do sell, and especially not with 1 single limited edition model to which they only have a part share of!

 

Additionally this applies:

“Article 101(3) creates an exemption where the practice is beneficial to consumers, e.g., by facilitating technological advances (efficiencies), but does not restrict all competition in the area”

 

It can be argued that if efforts were not made to manage price, this model may not be worthwhile to stock / sell, therefore not effective to produce... the market might not get this model at all.

After all.. that’s a lot of outlay for a shop, on something that is collectible and not repeatable, limited to a geographic area to make it happen in a shorter timescale.

Remember not every shop can afford an exclusive limited edition of their own (which is restricted in availability and price managed by the single entity commissioning it too).

 

I don’t see this is no different to any other limited edition, except that the number of resellers is greater than the usual 1. They need to hold stock, and once sold, there’s no more coming. There’s possibility of at least two other manufacturers able to step in and compete with the same livery and number if they desired.

 

Similarly, that efforts are being made to sell below the price, and by others at a higher price, clearly shows that this agreement is not distorting the market even at a microscopic macro level, it’s not affecting anything.

 

If it was then any shop making a limited edition for their exclusive sale is at risk, as they are a monopoly - but so to is supermarket own brand products and there’s certainly no issues there !!!

 

That’s my reading of a translation, I defer to others with greater legal minds than my own, i’d be interested to see a rational counter argument to my view.

Edited February 6, 2018 by adb968008

[Widnes Model Centre]

I accept what you say is made in good faith. I have not studied competition law specifically, I just follow the guidelines issued by my company which is a large corporation . They have a considerable legal department and several elearning courses , amongst which is pricing practices . I therefore take their instruction extremely seriously. We would never discuss pricing with fellow suppliers or competitors.

 

Hi Legend, somewhere here in my study I have a full explanation of the Competition Laws, if and it's a big if (just finished checking my VAT Return so I now have copies of invoices being reprinted) I will try and scan and send in a PM to you. I must state that they were obtained for a totally unrelated matter. I do have expertise in Criminal Law, but not Commercial. I had to rely on other legal eagles for advice on Commercial. What I do know from any Law is that it is open to interpretation and that is why we have so many challenges and Appeals.

 

I have many a funny story which one day I will sit down and possibly write a book about having spent what seems like years inside court rooms. I hasten to add, never as a defendant!

 

Just a quickie which, hopefully will lighten the mood. Sat in Court during a sentencing at Liverpool Crown Court and these are true. Defence Counsel "I would urge you Your Honour,  sentence this young man to months in prison, rather than years". Judge, I will grant your Defence Counsel His wish. You will go to prison for 60 Months" Lastly, Judge "You will go to prison for three months". Defendant "I can do that standing on my head". Judge, "I will add a further 3 months to that sentence, just to help you get back on your feet".

[MRDBLUE17]

Hi everyone,

 

I think it’s been a great idea by Bachmann to do the rep Models. With the higher prices for everything in life not just our trains it probably means more limited runs can be done as part of the wider larger production run of 47’s in this case. With the rep Models, mainstream plus other ltd editions like 47708 for Model Rail Scotland this year. It should help sell through product quicker as there’s less of it which is good for Model retailers and Bachmann alike. We all like a bargain but you don’t want a race to the bottom and we need to have Model shops to keep us supplied with new goodies!

 

Cheers

Mark

[John M Upton]

I caution the other way, with so many different manufacturers, large and small, established and new entrants now producing or intending to produce more and more and more items, there will be a point where the funds available in the modelling community which by no means has expanded at the same rate (if at all) simply will not stretch to buying all these different items and that is the point where potentially the market could collapse in on itself and some manufacturers will either have to cull large chunks of their programme or indeed fold altogether.

 

It's happened - diecast buses that were changing hands for hundreds of pounds in a buying frenzy now you cannot give away for much more than the cost of the postage....

[classy52]

I caution the other way, with so many different manufacturers, large and small, established and new entrants now producing or intending to produce more and more and more items, there will be a point where the funds available in the modelling community which by no means has expanded at the same rate (if at all) simply will not stretch to buying all these different items and that is the point where potentially the market could collapse in on itself and some manufacturers will either have to cull large chunks of their programme or indeed fold altogether.

 

It's happened - diecast buses that were changing hands for hundreds of pounds in a buying frenzy now you cannot give away for much more than the cost of the postage....

 

I think you may be seeing the start of this saturation already where there are limited editions at the moment coming from several sources from the likes of Kernow, Hatton's, Rails, Locomotion, Bachmann Rep Specials who are pumping out in 2017/2018 a fairly large chunk of these special items and forthcoming new products alongside the standard releases from the major players.

If I can use Kernow as an example they have a heap of limited editions that are still available to purchase but surprisingly, or not surprisingly, haven't sold out which could point to this saturation or the lack of funds in the modelling community that you mentioned.

To be honest it's a great time for modellers/collectors but if I use myself (modern era diesel/rolling stock only) as an example then I have to admit I am currently way over budget purchasing and pre-ordering 4 limited edition loco's (3 Sheds & 1 DRS 47) and 1 Dapol 68 in just the last 3 months and there is still a lot more to come during 2018 not to mention the special commissions from Hatton's as well...there is a method in my madness and one is the fear of missing out now and succumbing to eBay profiteering down the line which I loathe e.g. would love the Hornby Diamond Jubilee Class 67 but missed out but I'm not paying £300 or more for it when it pops up, yes I do have some discipline and upper limits.

My own future projection is that yes I'll spend heaps of money this year on new models whether they are standard releases or specials but 2019 may end up being a dry year for me due to previous spending where I may only purchase 1 or 2 loco's if they are really good but if you multiply my own situation by hundreds or even thousands then yes you may see models piling up in shops or online in the future.

But hey who knows, I may end up doing the same next year to fuel my addiction

Edited February 7, 2018 by classy52

[John M Upton]

Indeed both Kernow's O2's and the 4TC's are now being sold by Gaugemaster in Ford and there is no mention of Kernow on any of the product information labels.

[adb968008]

I think the market for railways is different to model buses.

I too remember EFE hitting the market place for the 1st time, and the massive take up on their range.

It was a similar time that Lima hit the dirt and everything tanked from £30-50 down to £20.

 

Post Lima's sell off prices rose to £40-50 before they went from the map.

Today all that Lima still swills around between £20 and £40, however most of it, has been supplanted by newer toolings (which we are currently discussing).

If you pick modern image, there is still two distinct healthy markets... Lima (with Hornby Railroad) still sells very well and healthy on ebay, and new super detailed at a higher price point has overall done quite well too.

 

This is unlike all those buses... which are very hard to sell.

 

The crucial difference is.. trains do something.. buses do not.

 

You look at the bus, but the train moves, there hasn't been a massive "kit modifying" of buses or even a repainting of them.. the demand just wasnt as high as it is for railways. People bought them because they were cheap and looked good. Most people didn't buy "fleets" of buses.. they bought 1 each livery then job done, little renumbering, no need for spares.

 

Whilst buses were a market distraction, that doesn't preclude that railways isnt subjective to peaks and troughs however, and right now I feel we are on the peak / plateau, but in those circumstances the market will decide which models it prefers, and which ones it leaves on the shelves, but I doubt they will just walk away from the hobby like with buses.

 

If things were to crash, it's that 1980's stuff that will end up junked, after all if there was a "lima style" crash by all vendors, who would buy the old stuff when the new stuff is so cheap ? However one fundamental is different to the 90's... Lima owned the modern image market, probably 90% of it and over produced.. there was 60+ different variants of 47 alone available on demand.. I can see Hornby has 102 different locomotives in stock "in the warehouse"today, which is considerable, across the entire 00 gauge range... Lima (or Riko) literally had hundreds of different model numbers / liveries sitting on the shelf (60x47s liveries, 30x31's, 30x37s, 20x33/26/27, plus Steam/09/20/40/42/50/52/60/73/87 etc etc to supply in quantities of tens of thousands (I recall a number of 20000+ class 92's were in the warehouse, and a 100k plus loco clear out at the time being mentioned. i don't think anyone is today holding locomotive stock in that kinds of quantities any more).

 

In short I think the hobby is safe, maybe the odd bum model that gets dumped, or the odd shop that clears out, but an "everything must go" off from the warehouse.. To a certain point, (I do think there's some Hornby Stuff that will need to be imaginative to get rid of), I suspect overall those days are now past us.

Edited February 7, 2018 by adb968008

[Western Dave]

Understanding Competition Law may assist. The advice I was given seemed proportionate with this matter.

 

The price was not fixed by anyone, price was fixed by Bachmann when they announced an RRP.  Agreeing to sell at the RRP gives no one an edge over anyone.

 

Competition laws become really effective when one company has a market share of over 50% and dictates a price that would disadvantage competitors. Obviously a lot more complicated than that but that's a brief synopsis.

 

Often  quoted on here is that shops sell at the "usual discounted rate of  x% discount for a minimum of x weeks". It is seen that that is perfectly acceptable and any shop that doesn't operate this discount if seen as overcharging. Is that price fixing?

I'm playing devils advocate here, there is a difference between price fixing and over charging. You have also previously said that it was agreed everybody would stick to the RRP which is a contradiction to your statement above "

The price was not fixed by anyone, price was fixed by Bachmann when they announced an RRP.  Agreeing to sell at the RRP gives no one an edge over anyone" the RRP is a recommended retail price and is not a fixed selling price. No business can be forced to sell at a set price. As I have said before businesses need to make money and manufacturers/importers need to set up modern methods of distribution which allow genuine dealers to buy and sell in confidence that it is not a race to the bottom. We have had simile issues in my trade where businesses lose sight of their margins in the chase to sell the most boxes. The railway modelling trade is not like the supermarket trade and should try and stop the pile it high sell it cheap mentality.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Western Dave

[Western Dave]

Absolutely.

 

None of these shops “made” this model, they are not “supplying” it either. The shop is a reseller.

The model is supplied to a geography, but it’s sale to end customers is not constrained...anyone can buy them. Similarly whilst it’s supply is limited to 512, it’s not being restricted.. I assume any shop could order 0:M at free will.

They are free to sell it how they want, which if they want to make a deal between them, they are free to do.

 

Same applies if all the shops got together and commissioned their own model to sell between them.

 

If down the road it failed to sell nothing binds the shops together or prevents them getting individually creative to sell without comeback. That one shop has broke ranks, at the ire of the others is just that, not much that can be done about it...if there was, from above however,..that might be a different story, but even then there are routes where it is permitted.

 

Competition laws are aimed at manufacturers/suppliers using their market position to manage the market. Resellers are not so constrained by these laws, as they have no control over supply... they didn’t make it.

 

I suspect where most posts are heading is..is Article 101..

To read up more of it, in less legal speak, wiki has a good write up, the section is Article 101 which relates to collusion, cartels, pricing and in this case horizontal agreements, between resellers...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_101_of_the_Treaty_on_the_Functioning_of_the_European_Union

 

The starting criteria where it struggles is market dominance.. you need to prove that more than 10% of the market is controlled by these resellers, it might not even make 10% of the North West UK market... I can count at least 50 shops within an hour or so of Manchester an many of them may not even have an interest in this model.

 

It’d be tough to argue a bunch of shops agreeing a price of 512 limited edition models exclusive to their area of a specialist nature represents 10% Of the EU market for model railways, or even 10% of supply of OO Gauge class 47’s...remember there’s competing 47’s out there... in both variety and manufacturers.

 

Even if one of the UKs biggest shops was part of it, it’s clear they aren’t able to eliminate competition across the UK or EU with the mass range to do sell, and especially not with 1 single limited edition model to which they only have a part share of!

 

Additionally this applies:

“Article 101(3) creates an exemption where the practice is beneficial to consumers, e.g., by facilitating technological advances (efficiencies), but does not restrict all competition in the area”

 

It can be argued that if efforts were not made to manage price, this model may not be worthwhile to stock / sell, therefore not effective to produce... the market might not get this model at all.

After all.. that’s a lot of outlay for a shop, on something that is collectible and not repeatable, limited to a geographic area to make it happen in a shorter timescale.

Remember not every shop can afford an exclusive limited edition of their own (which is restricted in availability and price managed by the single entity commissioning it too).

 

I don’t see this is no different to any other limited edition, except that the number of resellers is greater than the usual 1. They need to hold stock, and once sold, there’s no more coming. There’s possibility of at least two other manufacturers able to step in and compete with the same livery and number if they desired.

 

Similarly, that efforts are being made to sell below the price, and by others at a higher price, clearly shows that this agreement is not distorting the market even at a microscopic macro level, it’s not affecting anything.

 

If it was then any shop making a limited edition for their exclusive sale is at risk, as they are a monopoly - but so to is supermarket own brand products and there’s certainly no issues there !!!

 

That’s my reading of a translation, I defer to others with greater legal minds than my own, i’d be interested to see a rational counter argument to my view.

The CMA don't need to take the 10% view if it is deemed to be a act against the consumer interest they can act upon it of if they believe there is a great collusion between parties. Clearly there is as its implications apply to all REP limited editions and also Bachmann have stated that prices of new releases should not be discounted by more that 15% off the RRP in the first instance.

 

In all honesty if I was a dealer involved in this at this time I would be referring this matter to the CMA for guidance, at worst the first reporting dealer to the CMA will be seen (in law) as the "instigating reporter" and treated with leniency in the event of their being a formal investigation.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Western Dave

[Widnes Model Centre]

The CMA don't need to take the 10% view if it is deemed to be a act against the consumer interest they can act upon it of if they believe there is a great collusion between parties. Clearly there is as its implications apply to all REP limited editions and also Bachmann have stated that prices of new releases should not be discounted by more that 15% off the RRP in the first instance.

 

In all honesty if I was a dealer involved in this at this time I would be referring this matter to the CMA for guidance, at worst the first reporting dealer to the CMA will be seen (in law) as the "instigating reporter" and treated with leniency in the event of their being a formal investigation.

Hi Dave, one minute you are playing Devils Advocate and the next you are advising retailers to be the first to act upon the CMA's "whistleblowing policy". No one was forced to sell at RRP if they wanted to charge more, and some have that is a free market. If they wanted to sell for less, if they wanted to give them away so be it. I think you are missing the bigger picture here.

[Trains4U]

Legally, I may not discuss pricing with other retailers.   

 

I have priced the Anglia 47 at Bachmann's SRP.  That is my policy with limited editions.

 

Now my supplier (in this case, my Bachmann Rep) may advise me that I do not have to sell at below SRP because they will all sell out, so why lose money?

 

That is a suggestion from my supplier, not collusion with other retailers.

At no point have Bachmann implied that I cannot sell for less than SRP.

[adb968008]

Hi Dave, one minute you are playing Devils Advocate and the next you are advising retailers to be the first to act upon the CMA's "whistleblowing policy". No one was forced to sell at RRP if they wanted to charge more, and some have that is a free market. If they wanted to sell for less, if they wanted to give them away so be it. I think you are missing the bigger picture here.

 

And a customer could just buy another Bachmann 47, or even a Hornby one.. shops could even approach VITrains to commission an Identical one if there was the desire..

 

Plenty of 47s in the market place... little chance of "manipulating the market" with just 512 models / spread of shops.

This is a none issue in my mind.

 

Maybe when calling the CMA, we should report Tesco's own brand stilton cheese too.. after all they control the supply and set the price... and it's gone up this year too... they have a monopoly on Tesco's own brand stilton cheese.. no one else has a chance of buying Tesco's own brand stilton cheese outside of Tesco...... disgusting... it's just not Cheddar, and it's not the same as Sainsbury's Stilton either...it has a slightly different whiff that resonates at a different nasal level making it unique. 

 

I have an unhealthy penchant of Cadburys Mini Eggs, and we know they are limited production upto easter... and most shops sell those 100g bags for the rrp of £1, is this a cartel / racket / collusion ?

 

some how.. I don't think they would care as it's not relevant... the supply of goods and it's price is not being manipulated... I can buy Stilton anywhere i like, just as I can buy class 47's anywhere I like, if I want one specific unique instance, then I have to buy it where it's available, but thats consumer driven preference, not restricted supply or fixed pricing... theres loads of Stilton and class 47s out there and their prices are market variable.

 

Now is there an angle to force a discount Ferrari here ?

 

(Going to sit back and eat those overpriced / racketteered /price colluded mini eggs now).

Edited February 7, 2018 by adb968008

[PaulRhB]

Does anyone think shops don't always keep an eye on others prices anyway? If you think it's a fix then buy a non limited edition version or be patient for another to come along.

From what's been said there's been an observation it would be nice if these were sold on a level playing field and already some are showing around £10 cheaper. With them being limited I should think a savvy shop won't care if others are under their price and they will still have stock to undercut the speculators on eBay

One of my local shops kept some Hornby Pecketts out of sight for a few weeks so if regulars came in and asked they could have one, not necessarily their first choice. Once they were happy that everyone who supports them got a fair chance they sold them off at normal price while others were charging double on eBay.

Don't begrudge our small retailers a few higher profit specials as they are always there, unlike the eBay speculators

[Western Dave]

Hi Dave, one minute you are playing Devils Advocate and the next you are advising retailers to be the first to act upon the CMA's "whistleblowing policy". No one was forced to sell at RRP if they wanted to charge more, and some have that is a free market. If they wanted to sell for less, if they wanted to give them away so be it. I think you are missing the bigger picture here.

Please feel free to tell me what bigger picture I'm missing here? I was/am playing devils advocate it is your posts that are confusing one post your saying it was agreed everybody would be the same selling price another one your saying that was not the case and then this post your saying its ok for people to sell at whatever price because its a free market! to say I'm confused would be an understatement.... I have consistently said something needs doing and I stated that in my opinion ( as a business owner who runs 3 ecommerce websites, an eBay shop and an Amazon shop) for clarity a dealer should refer it to the CMA for guidance.

[adb968008]

Please feel free to tell me what bigger picture I'm missing here? I was/am playing devils advocate it is your posts that are confusing one post your saying it was agreed everybody would be the same selling price another one your saying that was not the case and then this post your saying its ok for people to sell at whatever price because its a free market! to say I'm confused would be an understatement.... I have consistently said something needs doing and I stated that in my opinion ( as a business owner who runs 3 ecommerce websites, an eBay shop and an Amazon shop) for clarity a dealer should refer it to the CMA for guidance.

 

I'd look at German model shops first.

 

Good luck trying to find any shops offering any real discount on almost the entire range of German HO in the market place.

It's all RRP, on everything.

We'd all benefit if this changed.

Edited February 7, 2018 by adb968008

[brushman47544]

I'd look at German model shops first.

 

Good luck trying to find any shops offering any real discount on almost the entire range of German HO in the market place.

It's all RRP, on everything.

We'd all benefit if this changed.

 

I presume the German HO market is used to paying full price and so accepts it as a given. We modeling British outline have been offered discounts of varying percentages for many years and so are resistant to paying full price. Except with limited editions, which traditionally have been available from one supplier/retailer only and so have not been reduced. These Rep limited editions are different in that they are available from multiple sources and so many seem to expect price competition. Personally I don't see why we should expect any reduction, it's in each retailers gift to decide whether to offer one or not.

 

And at least we are not paying continental European prices, even at full price. I got a shock today when I read that the new REE Modeles SNCF 67400 diesel (the French equivalent of a Class 47) retails at around 250 euro!

[classy52]

Please feel free to tell me what bigger picture I'm missing here? I was/am playing devils advocate it is your posts that are confusing one post your saying it was agreed everybody would be the same selling price another one your saying that was not the case and then this post your saying its ok for people to sell at whatever price because its a free market! to say I'm confused would be an understatement.... I have consistently said something needs doing and I stated that in my opinion ( as a business owner who runs 3 ecommerce websites, an eBay shop and an Amazon shop) for clarity a dealer should refer it to the CMA for guidance.

 

I think everyone needs to go back and read posts #233 & #240, seems to be a lot of flip flopping going on and Arcadia getting it in the neck for no reason considering it has now been established that model shops can sell at whatever price they want...or is this still not the case???

[classy52]

Ok let's get back to talking about the actual products which has been started off by the DRS 47 and the Anglia 47 and by all accounts living up to expectations with others soon to follow.

Must admit I'm curious as to why the South and West of England regions are only getting the 'VDA van internal user army green (38-140IG) - £27.90' and not a locomotive as with the other regions, I know this is the Bachmann Rep's decision but would be interested to know the following;

 

1. Why would the VDA van be chosen?

2. Is it unique and special to the South and West of England?

 

Now, if you were the Bachmann Rep and wanted to choose a locomotive for the South and West of England what would that loco be that's currently available in the Bachmann range which would be liveried accordingly?

Would be good to know everyone's views and/or wishes for this particular region under this theme.

[adb968008]

Ok let's get back to talking about the actual products which has been started off by the DRS 47 and the Anglia 47 and by all accounts living up to expectations with others soon to follow.

Must admit I'm curious as to why the South and West of England regions are only getting the 'VDA van internal user army green (38-140IG) - £27.90' and not a locomotive as with the other regions, I know this is the Bachmann Rep's decision but would be interested to know the following;

 

1. Why would the VDA van be chosen?

2. Is it unique and special to the South and West of England?

 

Now, if you were the Bachmann Rep and wanted to choose a locomotive for the South and West of England what would that loco be that's currently available in the Bachmann range which would be liveried accordingly?

Would be good to know everyone's views and/or wishes for this particular region under this theme.

Southwest has 47625 “City of Truro” BR blue weathered...

http://news.Bachmann.co.uk/2018/02/city-truro-class-47-sales-area-exclusive/

 

(It was somewhat of surprise, as 47625 was on Kernow’s stand at Warley, and quite possibly it was 47628 that was on Kernow’s shop window layout sneak appearance video and 47625 was listed on Kernow’s Facebook as a Future release)..So I don’t know if they were always planned that way, or if Kernow changed a decision, but coincidentally Gaugemaster are also selling Kernow 02’s and 4TCs now too.

Edited February 8, 2018 by adb968008