Hornby 2018 Announcements

[rovex]

I'll put in my predictions!

 

2 new steam locos (maybe one industrial)

1 new diesel or electric loco (could be an industrial)

2 new wagons

1 coach range

I like it when someone so unequivocally nails their colours to the mast

[Pint of Adnams]

I'm not sure I understand what you hope to see. Not being familiar with GER coaches, I Googled GE 50 ft corridor coaches, and a specific design style doesn't come up - not in the way that Gresley or Thompson coaching stock has. Do you have a particular GE coach style in mind? I'm which case, I'd be interested to see links to an appropriate website, so we know what kind of coach you would like to see. Many thanks in anticipation,

 

John S

https://www.gersociety.org.uk/index.php/rolling-stock/carriages/types-9-13 The 50' gangwayed stock that lasted well into the 1950s and the Restaurant cars into the 1960s, along with the subsequent and final 54' stock continued in service on ex-GE branch lines and secondary services. Even some clerestory types lasted into the 1950s. There was also non-gangwayed stock in both lengths.

 

Edit to add a link to 'Buckjumper's' wonderful 7mm scale model of a Brake 3rd from a Dan Pinnock kit: https://buckjumper.wordpress.com/coaches/ex-ger-50-brake-third/

Edited December 14, 2017 by Pint of Adnams

[Tim Dubya]

Ah but a C2X never got to 72A but a Q did and I am selfish basta#d that wants a Q.

What he said!

[Mallard60022]

Could you not just file the interesting bits off a 4F?

That would be cruelty to a 4F and I quite like them (especially 44422) but they are foreign.   Also the Q has a great big steam reverser thingy on the side that didn't work verey well at all  and other strange bits hanging off it that I don't understand and are thus both fascinating and exciting.   However, I do agree that a C2X with  double Domes would be a great loco to have available, however it is one of the easiest Finecast Kits to build and I actully did that once and that example is working somewhere in the UK AFAIK.

Iva Maunsell

Edited December 14, 2017 by Mallard60022

[Barry Ten]

That would be cruelty to a 4F and I quite like them (especially 44422) 

 

 

Just for you, sir.

 

[Mallard60022]

Just for you, sir.

 

Classis....thanks; superb scenics BTW.. Probably one of the last I saw and at Barrow Road Shed just before I got thrown out (1963.....)

Phil

[Tim Dubya]

That would be cruelty to a 4F and I quite like them (especially 44422) but they are foreign. Also the Q has a great big steam reverser thingy on the side that didn't work verey well at all and other strange bits hanging off it that I don't understand and are thus both fascinating and exciting. However, I do agree that a C2X with double Domes would be a great loco to have available, however it is one of the easiest Finecast Kits to build and I actully did that once and that example is working somewhere in the UK AFAIK.

Iva Maunsell

What he said, appart from the 4F stuff and the kit building stuff and the C2X stuff, except the double domes, I like double domes

[The Black Hat]

One problem is the Q6 doesn't appear to have sold that well, as lots still for sale. Hornby might look elsewhere.

 

Well they shouldn't do anything Southern as the Black Motor and S15 doesn't appear to have sold well.

​The Western is out as the King doesn't appear to have sold well...

​I guess the GE and GC are out as the J15 and J50 still on shelves too.

Just done the Midland region with the Duchess and have plenty of Black 5s and 8Fs to churn out...

 

​In all seriousness any of the engines mentioned above can sell, including Q6. I think half the problem is that prices have got to the stage where you are more selective and theres more made for the market. Hornby also tend to follow up a new release with a subsequent one fairly quickly. I think that is why you have a number of these, as the second release catches up with the remaining stock of the first.

 

I seem to remember the Q6 being very popular at the time of initial release and that many bought one. I however think that putting it at around £100+ was also the first time that a standard goods engine really was retailing at that price, of a kind that you'd want more than one of, so possibly held up sales that might have happened quicker just a few years ago. Looking at general stock levels there doesn't appear to be many of some versions left.

[Pint of Adnams]

Another one they could do is another Dutch liveried 31 as the first one was affected by mazak

Recently done as a very acceptable and probably more accurate model, based on the ex-Lima version in the Railroad range.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

...The moulds for the Clan were allegedly lost although I have never seen anything official to confirm this...

How do you lose the moulds for a whole train; has anybody checked down the back of the sofa?

 Every model has a suite of tooling required to produce it. The extremes of what might be encompassed in the term 'lost':

 

Relatively minor damage to one piece in that tooling suite is enough to cause a model to be 'lost' for production purposes. If that damage is to a significant tooling element that has to be completely remade at the cost prevailing, that might well delay restoring the item to 'production capable' : especially in the context of a business under financial constraint and needing to invest in models that will bring in large sales, Typically completely new introductions do better than reissues - which the Clan would be - and that might explain why it hasn't received attention.

 

At the other extreme the tool suite could be physically lost, or lost to the inventory management system, and sitting on a shelf in some warehouse misidentified. 'Shit happens' as our transatlantic friends have it. I was once charged with finding out what had happened to a crucial piece of kit that had ' disappeared' in transit from one manufacturing site to another; this was proprietary gear, physically several tons in weight and about the size of  a Landrover. The specialist secure shipper didn't dispute the loss but equally could not immediately tell us where it was. Turned out to be physically inseparable from the vehicle, which had been in a serious traffic accident, and was underwater...

 

Having got the non-corridor coaches correct (tumblehome), it is doubtful Hornby would repeat the mistake on future Gresley coaches. In fact, wasn't the full brake correct in this respect or had only the lower beading been corrected...?

 The full brake was better in appearance because the prototype's flatter body side profile was closely approximated by Hornby's incorrect for passenger vehicles model body side profile!

 

Hornby having now demonstrated that they can get it right on the non-gangwayed stock, would hopefully make any future newly tooled Gresley gangwayed types correctly, rather than uniform with the first attempts. Hopefully...

[Covkid]

Anyone mentioned the Aventra family of EMUs yet ?

 

These units are currently being built for Elizabeth line - which is certain tl be high profile, followed by Anglia, SWR, LNWR and probably others. They maybe of different bodyshell lengths and some with gangwayed cabs, but most importantly, modern MUs seem to feature very few bodyshell differences so manufacturers need to invest less in individual car moulds.

[The Black Hat]

If I was to guess Hornby's 2018 releases;

 

1. B16/1

2. P2/2

3. Lord Nelson

4. An industrial tank

 

The B16 I think shared parts like Q6 tender and cab make this one a big possibility. Hornby also have a good standard to build this North Eastern machine as have done Q6 to high standard. If they can make models with the forethought of further development, then the numbers in polls for the B16 stacks up massively if you have room to then make B16/2 and 3.
​That's also why I think the P2/2 will break cover. Its chassis is already done and it is needing alterations to motion and the body model. Could it be done - I think the scope on the model of the P2/1 shows that this was planned. However, its been long enough for the original to have hit the shelves and now P2/2 can be done as a follow up.

 

The next will be a Lord Nelson. I can just see Hornby taking a swipe at Bachmann and go for this. I think the new engine will help Hornby go for the area they are still expanding into - and bring more of these similar engines into their portfolio, being S15, Schools etc.

 

Finally, I think another industrial will follow the highly popular Peckett. I think this model really has been much more successful than most would realise would be the case. I'm not sure what it could be, but think that something I think could be an Andrew Barclay 0-6-0T, or even one of the three big W.G. Bagnal Victor/Vulcan/Valiant...

​As for diesel and electric, I cant see much if too honest. Outside chance for class 86... Most diesel and electric will be releases of current or planned models with extra liveries announced.

​Also rans - BR Standard 3MT, 45xx, 43xx, J21/J25, LSWR T3, Fowler Tank.

[adb968008]

I’ll tag mine to the board, and raise stakes my suggesting numbers too..

 

1. lord Nelson, with 850 as an NRM Limited edition, and 30850 for Rails, with 30856 (Lord st Vincent) and 30861 Lord Anson just because they come up first in google.

2. J36, inc BR and NB liveried one, and Albert as one of them (Albert is location of Theipval, and the monument, with the 100 year anniversary in 2018 hence my educated guess, Somme would be another), presumably Maude as a limited edition.

3. Coach I’ve got to bet on a mark 1 RB buffet, in Maroon and blue grey.

4. I predict a completely new “angle” in sound, coming from a different direction.

5. Wagons...no idea really, about time for a decent milk tank, GW design.

6. A BR EMU, but not a southern one.

7. As for a Clan..maybe, maybe not yet.

 

Of my seven guesses, i’m Going to reckon my chances of being right are two out of seven. (Do I get bonus points if I get the number too ?)

Edited December 14, 2017 by adb968008

[Flying Pig]

If I was to guess Hornby's 2018 releases;

 

1. B16/1

2. P2/2

3. Lord Nelson

4. An industrial tank

 

The B16 I think shared parts like Q6 tender and cab make this one a big possibility. Hornby also have a good standard to build this North Eastern machine as have done Q6 to high standard. If they can make models with the forethought of further development, then the numbers in polls for the B16 stacks up massively if you have room to then make B16/2 and 3.

​

I've always thought the low slung outside cylinders and long wheelbase make the B16/1 a tricky proposition for an rtr model which has to negotiate 2nd radius curves. The rebuilds, with the bogie 9" further forward still are probably even worse, even with higher mounted cylinders.

[Mallard60022]

Well they shouldn't do anything Southern as the Black Motor and S15 doesn't appear to have sold well.

​The Western is out as the King doesn't appear to have sold well...

​I guess the GE and GC are out as the J15 and J50 still on shelves too.

Just done the Midland region with the Duchess and have plenty of Black 5s and 8Fs to churn out...

 

​In all seriousness any of the engines mentioned above can sell, including Q6. I think half the problem is that prices have got to the stage where you are more selective and theres more made for the market. Hornby also tend to follow up a new release with a subsequent one fairly quickly. I think that is why you have a number of these, as the second release catches up with the remaining stock of the first.

 

I seem to remember the Q6 being very popular at the time of initial release and that many bought one. I however think that putting it at around £100+ was also the first time that a standard goods engine really was retailing at that price, of a kind that you'd want more than one of, so possibly held up sales that might have happened quicker just a few years ago. Looking at general stock levels there doesn't appear to be many of some versions left.

Does this mean I need more S15s? I could also probably justify two more Motors.  

A.N. I. Diot

Edited December 14, 2017 by Mallard60022

[Edwardian]

That has given me an idea for the next big gimmick feature  - working water scoops.

 

Peco could do the troughs to fix the Bullhead rail.

 

Would work brilliantly with DCC and a little servo in the tender.

 

Can't seen any possible downside to this.

 

Excellent, and a new product opportunity for Deluxe Materials, Wonder-Drench Water Spray

 

Or we could just wait until January and re-purpose the froth.

[blueeighties]

To be honest, much as the Bachmann bargain stand at Warley has had its day, so have the Hornby and Bachmann announcements. For me personally, I am much more interested in the new breed of small, higher quality niche manufacturers that are coming to fruition. For Years everyone has been banging on about all of the heavily discussed and debated issues that have plagued the big 2 for the last few Years. As Bob Dylan once said, 'the times they are a changing.'

Edited December 14, 2017 by blueeighties

[The Black Hat]

Does this mean I need more S15s? I could also probably justify two more Motors.  

A.N. I. Diot

 

You'd be better getting more Q6s to bank your S15 or Motors and make sure they actually get moving.  

[Mallard60022]

You'd be better getting more Q6s to bank your S15 or Motors and make sure they actually get moving.

The Q6s waddled too much for that to happen.     

[The Black Hat]

The Q6s waddled too much for that to happen.     

 

 

 

Maybe, but they actually moved.

 

​I understand Rice Pudding for the Southern Region came with a Pickaxe and Shovel. As the engines from down there just just spin their wheels and wouldn't shift the skin off the top before it turned rock hard.

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by The Black Hat

[Spannerman]

I'm really hoping for a lull in southern region models to allow my bank account to catch up with whats already been announced/released. We've certainly been spoilt in recent years.

 

Nik

[The Black Hat]

I'm really hoping for a lull in southern region models to allow my bank account to catch up with whats already been announced/released. We've certainly been spoilt in recent years.

 

Nik

 

Take a bow, sir!  

[Guest Q663389]

The G5 has serious potential. Ideal branchline loco, new-build project , and crucially a number served in E Anglia as well as the North East. Hence it can sell to those modelling the (original) ER as well as the NEReg - there are few NER locos of which that can be said

 

(Though if anyone does an A5 I'll definitely buy it)

G5's also ran in Scotland.

[John M Upton]

I'd second holding off on the Southern Region for a year or so.  I fear there will be a BR Blue Merchant Navy coming and that is unfortunately an expensive must have for me, if it does not appear then another H Class will be mine instead I suspect.

 

And that is before I consider my N Scale modelling wants!!!

[Pint of Adnams]

I’ll tag mine to the board, and raise stakes my suggesting numbers too..

 

Of my seven guesses, i’m Going to reckon my chances of being right are two out of seven. (Do I get bonus points if I get the number too ?)

No number twos whilst standing at a wishlist, thank you very much