Hornby dublo

[cctransuk]

1 hour ago, railroadbill said:

 

Sunny morning on a grey background....I've looked at various BR green locos I've got and this Grange comes closest to the H-D Bristol Castle.  I sprayed the Grange (originally an ebay non-runner but  OK now it's refurbished)  with Precision Paints P101 BR loco green post 1954  (satin finish).  The Rover brooklands green sprayed locos look a bit too bright to be a good H-D match, although close enough to BR green for running round the loft.  The current Hornby green locos are rather varied in greens used...

Sooo...P101 might be close enough to patch up H-D paintwork.

 

When loco green came up on another occasion, I suggested that the Hornby Dublo colour was likely to be authentic as the full size locos were running around when the models were produced. You could put your H-D loco in your pocket,  go to Paddington or wherever and compare it to the full size!

 

P101 every time - spot on to my eye!

 

CJI.

[Great Eastern]

Hi Locomad2

Good idea to write it down in a little book, I started keeping a list and then mislaid it which wasn't helpful !!

I also wrote down rough dates of when I'd completed a model so as to gauge some idea of how many models I was actually getting completed (all those in the mountainous backlog on the back burner !!)

You're right about rattle cans not being so prevalent nowadays, shops closing down doesn't help of course, and getting them through he post isn't always easy.  With our age group repairing / maintaining everything was almost compulsory, not quite the same now. I've not tried Aldi or Lidl (other supermarkets closer) but thanks for that I'll certainly give them a try.  Paint pens can be useful for lining / touching in etc,  there was a really good graphics supply company near me that had a good range, I went there today and not only has it closed but the shop is being rebuilt into something completely different.

 

RailroadBill

Thanks for the info and piccy, I've got a Ludlow to restore, and obviously I want to get that as close as possible. It's been repainted once already, by a kid using a tar brush dipped in army surplus khaki and tied to a dog's tail by the look of it !!  Fortunately I got it cheap as the swapmeet stallholder didn't realise what it was.  Do you think the Rover colour might be better on an A4 ? 

I was thinking maybe a gloss A4 or gloss Montrose.

 

Edited June 26, 2022 by Great Eastern
clarification

[D9020 Nimbus]

Hobbycraft sell paint pens — or at least they did pre-Covid-19.

Edited June 25, 2022 by D9020 Nimbus

[Pak75]

Hi there 

Next project is to refurbish some HD tank wagons acquired EBay. Photos were a bit blurred...... Have found some Esso logos on online but does anyone know where you can get the Royal Daylight Paraffin transfers or decals from?

 

Thanks 

[Great Eastern]

TEST

[Great Eastern]

Hi Nimbus,

Thanks for the reply, I'd forgotten about Hobbycraft, as my  'local' one is some distance away ! but 'll certainly give them a try, their website is showing some. 

 

Also on a different matter, I guess you're a Deltic guy ! I have a very specific query about a particular photograph of DP1 and I'm not sure where to ask it.  I found some pages for Class 55 but they're mostly about Bachmann production Deltics. I could start a new page / thread / forum whatever it's called but I didn't know if enough people would find it.  As I'm a newby perhaps you could advise me.

 

Hi all

I'm having problems with submitting replies on my Android tablet :-

1  I typed in all of the above and pressed the submit reply button and it all disappeared.

2  I log in and then go to a different page (eg 63) and then when I go back to 64 (either forward or type in 64) I find I'm no longer logged in.

 

Has anyone else had these problems / what can I do about them.

PS I'm now on my laptop which is the only remedy I've found (it's just a bit more palaver getting it out !)

 

Thanks

GE

[Il Grifone]

22 hours ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

Hobbycraft sell paint pens — or at least they did pre-Covid-19.

 

I went into the Basildon branch on Thursday but was disappointed by the reduction in size of the modelling section. There were only a few tins of Humbrol at a pound!  All useless colours of course!

[Pak75]

Hi GE

Website was migrated to a new host some months ago and there appear to be some teething problems.

This thread is for all issues:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/52-forum-rules-notices-faults-help/

 

I could not even reply to this topic for some days and there seems to be a difference between mobile and pc platforms...

Any pearls of wisdom anyone can share re 

On 26/06/2022 at 11:44, Pak75 said:

Hi there 

Next project is to refurbish some HD tank wagons acquired EBay. Photos were a bit blurred...... Have found some Esso logos on online but does anyone know where you can get the Royal Daylight Paraffin transfers or decals from?

 

Thanks 

 

[SR71]

On 26/06/2022 at 08:38, Great Eastern said:

Hi Nimbus,

Thanks for the reply, I'd forgotten about Hobbycraft, as my  'local' one is some distance away ! but 'll certainly give them a try, their website is showing some. 

 

Also on a different matter, I guess you're a Deltic guy ! I have a very specific query about a particular photograph of DP1 and I'm not sure where to ask it.  I found some pages for Class 55 but they're mostly about Bachmann production Deltics. I could start a new page / thread / forum whatever it's called but I didn't know if enough people would find it.  As I'm a newby perhaps you could advise me.

 

Hi all

I'm having problems with submitting replies on my Android tablet :-

1  I typed in all of the above and pressed the submit reply button and it all disappeared.

2  I log in and then go to a different page (eg 63) and then when I go back to 64 (either forward or type in 64) I find I'm no longer logged in.

 

Has anyone else had these problems / what can I do about them.

PS I'm now on my laptop which is the only remedy I've found (it's just a bit more palaver getting it out !)

 

Thanks

GE

Hi. I'd suggest clearing cookies and logging back in.

 

My guess being (and I'm not an IT expert as our IT manager at work will happily tell anyone in earshot) that your tablet is confused by pages it remembers from the old host and pages it's getting from the new one.

[Great Eastern]

Hi Pak75,

Many thanks for that, I wondered why there were no replies, I was beginning to think everybody hated me !!!!

I've just spent nearly an hour trying to get to here to type this in on my laptop.  I'd read some stuff about the hosting, but I didn't realise it had been so problematic for everyone. I can only guess how difficult this must be for the RMweb  webmaster guys. Thanks to all !!

 

 

[Great Eastern]

Hi SR71,

Many thanks to you too, your advice worked a treat !! so you can tell your IT guy you deserve a raise !!

I'm going to get adventurous now and try my first piccy uploads !

Liked your work with the 062T in BRITISH RAILWAYS  livery, so here's a couple of my bodge ups !

The first is one of the Gaeity bodies (awaiting a Dublo chassis conversion )

Second is a North Eastern liveried N9 (the real ones looked quite Dublo-esque apart from the height of the dome and chimney)

Third is a black Southern (you're right it does seem harder to get the transfers lined up on black !)

Last a malachite green one, this is on a 2 rail chassis at the moment.

[SR71]

If I'm honest @Great Eastern  I read your message at work, and didn't have time to reply, then forgot until Pak75 posted.

 

Hope you get it sorted.

 

Edit: Our messages crossed, glad it worked for you!

Edited July 3, 2022 by SR71

[Great Eastern]

Hi SR71,

Thanks, I've logged in on the home page now, and am typing this on p64 as a separate tab. There were still a few probs but at least it's working. 

By the way who's transfers did you use on your BR(S) 062T ?

 

GE

[Wolseley]

Some of my repainted tank wagons.  I have posted this photo before but, as all the old photos have disappeared.......

 

[Great Eastern]

Hi Wolseley,

Nice work sir, I remember admiring these before, but as you say so many pics have gone to the cyber cemetery !!

Here's my latest bodge up, I've been amusing myself making Super Detail neverwazza wagons, this is my rendition of the Tube wagon. I started with a shabby tinplate one and intended to do a scratchbuilt body, but an old kit body appeared at a swapmeet the other week. I don't know what make it is, it's not the Coopercraft GW one, it turned out to be slightly too short so I had to extend it, but the plastic was very brittle (old and UV damage ??!!) so a few repairs became necessary !  Now painted, I need to tart up the chassis and bung some transfers on, I used the old Biro tube ploy to 2 rail-ise the wheels. I fancy doing a Pipe wagon, unfortunately the ideal HD chassis is the 21t Hopper !!!!   Wrenn instead I think........ Also a bauxite 5 plank (on vac fitted chassis) done as a converter wagon.

 

 

[Il Grifone]

Even a Wrenn underframe is rare these days. Wrenngalore on eBay did have some, but I think they are all gone now. Could one from a chlorind tank serve or is it too short?

 

The Ratio OPEN C body (itself collectible) should fit the Dublo underframe, as they  are supposedly the same wagon. I fitted the Kenline MINK D body to one in the distant past. (again thr same thing).

 

The Gaiety body is about the same length as the Dublo one (it seems to me they copied it. How else can an N2 with the fictious number '46917' be explained?) Conversely the Trackmaster/Tri-ang/Kirdon one is actually 4mm scale and a few millimetres longer. (The Dublo chassis wheelbase is spot on for H0.)

Edited July 6, 2022 by Il Grifone

[SR71]

On 03/07/2022 at 15:28, Great Eastern said:

Hi SR71,

Thanks, I've logged in on the home page now, and am typing this on p64 as a separate tab. There were still a few probs but at least it's working. 

By the way who's transfers did you use on your BR(S) 062T ?

 

GE

An old sheet of HMRS pressfix I had spare.

[Il Grifone]

My go-to match for Dublo BR green was Humbol GWR loco green (as it should be of course). I'm not sure about the latest formulation however. They don't seem as reliable.

Edited July 6, 2022 by Il Grifone

[Wolseley]

16 minutes ago, Il Grifone said:

My go-to match for Dublo BR green was Humbol GWR loco green (as it should br of course). I'm not sure about the latest formulation however. They don't seem as reliable.

 

That's what I've been using too.

[Il Grifone]

 I used Humbrol for my GWR Castle restoration project and it seems OK.

 

This is rather a cautionary (and long) tale! (waffle alert!)

I rescued a 1/2" Castle body from a Toyfair (back in the distant past when we still had such things!) dealer's junk box. The poor thing had been stripped of all her paint and fittings and a file had been taken to what was left, Still for a quid!

The spares box provided a new chimney (I think it's actually for a Star, but near enough - it is Dublo!) and a safety valve casing (rather better than the original), There was was also a choice of tenders Wrenn or my original 'Bristol Castle' tender (severely 'got at' in a youthful attempt at detailing and 2 railing).

 The usual auction site then provided a loco chassis (no motor and 'ringfield', but never mind! When it arrived, it turned out to a Ludlow chassis (i.e. 3 rail) Oh well - minimal/zero modification and she won't be a 2 rail Castle as intended! A  cranked drawbar (OK eBay), and a ringfied motor? How much?!

Now comes the heresy - a Tri-ang motor fitted with a Dublo gear (from a Co-Co/Co-Bo layshaft) and away she goes! (or at least will when I build a motor support bracket and some pick-ups).

Then eBay offered me a 'Cardiff Castle' body in excellent condition for a Grifone friendly price -

 and so back to square one!

Edited July 7, 2022 by Il Grifone
rubbish typing

[sagaguy]

Humbrol enamel paints have been pulled from the market by Hornby due to some chemical which may be hazadous,not certain what,i`ve been using them since the 1950s and nothing`s happened yet.This is some information i got from a freind,"

I got this message from a friend of mine on another up to date forum. "Good Day Ray, I have just been speaking to a guy at Hornby technical regards Humbrol enamel paints. They are working on a new formula and will be releasing the new formula enamel paints soon. He did not give a date but did say quite soon"

randall24642

Post #31

May 24, 2022

Forum: Waiting Room

 

                     Ray.

[Il Grifone]

Quite soon?  2025?  2030?

That would explain only a few tins reduced to £1 in Basildon Hobbycraft the other day. They've adopted the annoying American 'Meet and Greet' style too !  :(

[2E Sub Shed]

12 minutes ago, sagaguy said:

Humbrol enamel paints have been pulled from the market by Hornby due to some chemical which may be hazadous,not certain what,i`ve been using them since the 1950s and nothing`s happened yet.This is some information i got from a freind,"

I got this message from a friend of mine on another up to date forum. "Good Day Ray, I have just been speaking to a guy at Hornby technical regards Humbrol enamel paints. They are working on a new formula and will be releasing the new formula enamel paints soon. He did not give a date but did say quite soon"

randall24642

Post #31

May 24, 2022

Forum: Waiting Room

 

                     Ray.

 

Re the enamels, 

 

On the "Hornby cuts model shops allocation" thread on this site  User Widnes states

 

"Then we had Humbrol enamels, illegal to sell in the UK. Return all your old stock and we will dispose of it free of charge. No compensation. No way says l. Then l provided all the evidence to Hornby to prove it was legal to sell in the UK. All through my own research with governing bodies and specialists. Result, Humbrol enamels can be sold in the UK. Why did it take a Tier 2 retailer to point out they had got it wrong? How much did l actually save Hornby or had they by that time already destroyed their stock of enamels because someone didn’t understand the regulations? "

 

[Great Eastern]

Hopefully this will work this time, I was up til midnight last night typing this, and when I submitted it, it said saved, and then it all disappeared !!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (cut and paste from Word this time !)

 

Hi SR71,

Thanks for that, I’ve had good results from HMRS ones too, I’m quite partial to their Methfix ones.

 

Hi Il Grifone,

You’re right about the Wrenn bits nowadays, often pricey and hard to come by. I managed to get a Hoveringham 21t a while back from a swapmeet on the cheap, but I doubt I’ll be lucky enough to find another, (I’d like to get a bauxite one and Dublo-ise it too).

The Chlorine tanker is my plan B, its dimensions are pretty close, the 21t hopper, base type 20, is 12ft wb and 21ft 6in headstocks, whilst the Chlorine, base type 17, is 12ft 3in and 21ft 3in; that’s ok it just means that the Parkside Dundas Pipe wagon kit body will need a bit of fettling to fit (or scratch build one), but yes, good idea.

As regards the Tube wagon there are unfortunately a whole multitude of dimensional problems. There are various GW, LMS, BR types with different body/chassis designs. The Open C is a 15ft wb wagon whilst the GW O41 Tube is on a 19ft 6in wb chassis. Most BR types were 18ft 6in wb chassis whilst the Dublo base type 9 is 17ft 9in and was used for the tinplate Mink D, as you said, and also the SD horsebox and Fruit D.   Similarly, the headstock dimensions are out, most Tube wagons were 30 or 32ft headstocks, but Dublo’s is only 28ft. Then there is the issue of 4 plank / 5 plank variants plus strapping, doors etc it all gets a bit tricky, so I had to just compromise (like Dublo did) and do a representation of how I assume/guess Dublo would have done it using a plastic body on base 9.  So I’m afraid it’s not terribly accurate; more trying to be representative of models of that era. There’s a similar problem with the bogie brick wagon, the most accurate rendition of the period was the Triang one, put that on Dublo bogies (weltrol / bogie bolster) and it can look really good, but of course it’s not quite so Dubloesque as the tinplate chassis, (those Triang Bricks seem to be getting pricey now too !)

I’d be interested to see a piccy of your Kenline Mink D, it’s not a model I’m familiar with, sounds good.

You’re right about the Gaeity 062T !!!!! there’s a bit about it on p90 of the Dublo book, I have to say I quite like the coal in the bunker, although it does look a bit like nutty slack !!  Very interesting what you say about the Dublo chassis as regards HO,  given that it was Dublo’s first OO gauge model; because they couldn’t stuff it all into the HO loading gauge. Did it start out as HO and then metamorphosise ??   I’d assumed they’d rejected HO at an early stage, there were other OO models about by then, Bing Tabletop ??  it would also account for small wheel sizes pre-war, (but not the new, post war, loco types). A fascinating area to explore !

Sadly Humbrol GWR green is not one I’ve got / used, thanks anyway, I’ll keep looking.

 

Hi All,

Many thanks for all the likes, they are very much appreciated.

GE

 

[sagaguy]

Some of us use Halfords rattle cans shrinkflation has taken its toll on them,I wanted a couple of cans of satin black and wheras the used to be in 400-500ml volume,now they are in 300ml for the same price. 

 

       Ray