Corona-virus - Impact of the Health Situation worldwide

[melmerby]

38 minutes ago, Reorte said:

 

 

On the practical side if you can't even go out to the shops - a group least likely to have the facilties to order online, and in any case is there even the delivery capacity (and can it be increased enough)?

IIRC Ocado stopped signing up new customers as soon as the virus was established.

In the last few days their website crashed and they have run out of delivery slots.

[mevaman1]

51 minutes ago, Gwiwer said:

Ditto.  Not over 70 but closing in on it.   I would be interested to learn the legal basis of such a move - if indeed it has one.  

For goodness sake- think of others!

 

The reason for isolating those most at risk is in order to spread the demand on the NHS.  If you become seriously ill you will need specialist care, perhaps on a ventilator.  If too many people need this level of care at the same time then those who arrive at the back of the queue may die.  
 

Your approach of not following the Government edict puts others at severe risk.

 

I am sorry but I have to strongly disagree with you.

[Reorte]

6 minutes ago, boxbrownie said:

 

Isn't that what every has been doing in this thread?

 

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh

Not everyone to be honest - there have been a few instances of people going a bit far but in general this thread has been one of the better discussions I've seen on the subject, with a variety of opinions being treated with more respect than in most places even where there's not agreement, and there being more effort to find information than in most. It's not been a perfect thread, that's true, but it deserves some credit.

[jcredfer]

2 minutes ago, John Tomlinson said:

Thanks for this.

 

I think what's really stung me into commenting in this thread was a post some hours back by someone not in the best of health, on their own, and to quote  "very scared". Worrying folk in that position even more is absolutely not what's needed, and hence my comments.

 

May we and our loved ones all stay safe and come through this!

 

John.

 

I absolutely agree, it would be better if HMG were putting out, positive, ideas about how they might get the Military and volunteers, assisting with delivery of food and other supplies, providing some places where we elderly can get around without mingling with others, providing some separate transport for elderly folks etc.  It wouldn't take rocket science, but it does take the ability to look at how the measures they want to impose will affect people - and - a will to assist people to achieve those measures.

 

Julian

 

 

 

[PenrithBeacon]

But the military and others are also going to be affected by the disease!

[jcredfer]

1 minute ago, PenrithBeacon said:

But the military and others are also going to be affected by the disease!

 

True, but I wasn't suggesting they used the sick ones, nor that they got particularly close to those over 70.

 

Julian

 

[Ian Hargrave]

1 minute ago, PenrithBeacon said:

If the government legislated then I would be obliged to stay at home. Ok but it would also need to legislate for food and household needs to be delivered, medication etc also. Perhaps councillors  to visit to keep me sane?

 There then arises just when you lift the ban. Those who are kept indoors are not immune to this disease but it isn't going to go away and a vaccine could be a year or more away.

I think Matt Hancock, not the brightest of bears, is just floating an idea, one that is going to sink before next Sunday's Marr Show

Interesting observation.The Marr interview was not his finest hour.He bumbled along...a bit like Boris last Thursday.He did not inspire confidence.We are quite prepared for a geographically restricted life style but total incarceration? I think not.But exactly what did he mean ? Does he really know himself?

We need to shop.We need to fulfil prebooked routine hospital appointments such as my wife’s annual breast care unit visit and mammogram ( always provided they are not cancelled) .and I always have a large amount of garden waste to take to my local refuse facility. Then what’s the score on hair and dental treatment or emergency g p contact .Other than that we cancel all social and recreational gatherings I suppose.We received stern warnings on our own welfare from son on FaceTime this morning....interesting exercise in role reversal.He’s currently having to communicate with his university students via a couple of laptops. Their degree finals presentation ( Performing Arts ) will now be via video link instead of on stage in a live theatre.Tough on them and tough on him too.

 

        Not straightforward,is it ?
 

 

 

[PenrithBeacon]

When will a coronavirus vaccine be ready?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready-human-trials-global-immunisation?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

This might help, but then again.

[Joseph_Pestell]

44 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

If the government legislated then I would be obliged to stay at home. Ok but it would also need to legislate for food and household needs to be delivered, medication etc also. Perhaps councillors  to visit to keep me sane?

 There then arises just when you lift the ban. Those who are kept indoors are not immune to this disease but it isn't going to go away and a vaccine could be a year or more away.

I think Matt Hancock, not the brightest of bears, is just floating an idea, one that is going to sink before next Sunday's Marr Show

 

I beg to differ. I think they are preparing us for emergency legislation and an announcement this week - perhaps as early as tomorrow.

 

Not that I am an advocate for the Tories, but I also disagree with you about MH. I would rather they had elected him than BoJo.

 

PS: Andy is in a high-risk group himself. He probably won't be doing next week's show unless he can do it from home.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Joseph_Pestell

[Gwiwer]

1 minute ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

I think they are preparing us for emergency legislation

A possibility.  But Boris will be balancing the act hoping to avoid a backlash, widespread non-compliance and the effects of social isolation.  And of the impact on businesses of all kinds as he doesn't want a massive spike in unemployment and the benefits bill either.  

[Bernard Lamb]

9 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

Interesting observation.The Marr interview was not his finest hour.He bumbled along...a bit like Boris last Thursday.He did not inspire confidence.We are quite prepared for a geographically restricted life style but total incarceration? I think not.But exactly what did he mean ? Does he really know himself?

We need to shop.We need to fulfil prebooked routine hospital appointments such as my wife’s annual breast care unit visit and mammogram ( always provided they are not cancelled) .and I always have a large amount of garden waste to take to my local refuse facility. Then what’s the score on hair and dental treatment or emergency g p contact .Other than that we cancel all social and recreational gatherings I suppose.We received stern warnings on our own welfare from son on FaceTime this morning....interesting exercise in role reversal.He’s currently having to communicate with his university students via a couple of laptops. Their degree finals presentation ( Performing Arts ) will now be via video link instead of on stage in a live theatre.Tough on them and tough on him too.

 

        Not straightforward,is it ?
 

 

 

Almost all the things you mention are hardly life threatening.

As for "straightforward", take a look at Spain. As a friend of mine pointed out this morning, he cannot  go out for a bike ride. Not even on his own. They have shut down, as simple as that.

Bernard

[runs as required]

Everything changed for us this morning! The gap between north and south has suddenly slammed shut. 

 

I came back from bellringing next door to find our other next door neighbour (who’s half of our Tudor semi I’d been guarding) was home from skiing in Austria. Ringing his doorbell I found, through shouting through the window, he’d returned having had the PanD symptoms since last Tuesday!

He has decided upon a personal lockdown for 14 days.

Until yesterday we were still receiving calls from the smoke disbelieving that we were still going out to listen to curlews returning to the moors above the old Stanhope & Tyne from Waskerley.

 

We’ve decided we need to have a PLAN explicit about Choices that are open to us.

Wife and I are both octogenarians - I’m currently undergoing Imunotherapy for liver cancer so have a lower chance of survival than my young wife.

The way we are approaching this enforced self-isolation is by starting a Journal bio  - and sorting our chaotic family photographs (in four different formats).

[jonny777]

36 minutes ago, melmerby said:

IIRC Ocado stopped signing up new customers as soon as the virus was established.

In the last few days their website crashed and they have run out of delivery slots.

 

As an Ocado shopper I can say that the website crashes occasionally, but it is working at the moment albeit rather slowly. (I know because I have just added a few items for delivery this Tues morning). Yes, delivery slots are booked up for the next few days, but that is to be expected in the current situation, and people who were used to booking a delivery slot for 24-48 hours ahead are not happy, but to me that is more a product of personal preference in more relaxed times. 

 

Anyone who has shopped at Ocado for a few years knows this problem occurs once the pre-Christmas slots are released every October, and should be quite experienced in dealing with it. 

 

However, Ocado do deliver from about 0600 to 2300 on most days, and if you don't mind paying £6.99 for your groceries to arrive at 10:30 in the evening, you may find some slots available later this week (I have no intention of clogging up their system just to find out).

Edited March 15, 2020 by jonny777

[John Tomlinson]

15 minutes ago, Gwiwer said:

A possibility.  But Boris will be balancing the act hoping to avoid a backlash, widespread non-compliance and the effects of social isolation.  And of the impact on businesses of all kinds as he doesn't want a massive spike in unemployment and the benefits bill either.  

Indeed so, and I seem to remember that either Boris or Hancock have effectively said just this. Like it or not, we have to trust that the guys and gals in charge are doing their best to make decisions in our interest. I'm reassured so far that the science seems to be the main driver, although I appreciate that there isn't unanimity on this by any means.

 

It does seem to me that the long term implications of this for the conduct of global business, our attitude to public services etc. are potentially huge, not least because it's the first major affliction to hit the developed world in a long time. However that is a discussion and analysis for another time.

 

John.

[Ian Hargrave]

26 minutes ago, Bernard Lamb said:

Almost all the things you mention are hardly life threatening.

As for "straightforward", take a look at Spain. As a friend of mine pointed out this morning, he cannot  go out for a bike ride. Not even on his own. They have shut down, as simple as that.

Bernard

 
That wasn’t the point of the post. I don’t dispute the severity of the pandemic .We were discussing HMG’s possible response to the UK outbreak in the light of this morning’s media coverage,including Andrew Marr’s interview with the Health Secretary and a possible individual scenario as yet unknown.

[Stanley Melrose]

I am certainly concerned and taking obvious precautions even though I feel fine and have no underlying health conditions that might put me at risk.  It came as a shock when I got an email from my youngest offspring this morning to tell me that he was unwell with the symptoms of COVID-19.  He's in self-isolation and hoping his wife and their 3 children will not be infected in turn.

 

So, to anyone disparaging the risks, I hope COVID-19 doesn't come to you or members of your family but in the meantime, don't take any risks that might infect you or more importantly anyone else with whom you are in contact.

 

Stan

[jonny777]

52 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

 
That wasn’t the point of the post. I don’t dispute the severity of the pandemic .We were discussing HMG’s possible response to the UK outbreak in the light of this morning’s media coverage,including Andrew Marr’s interview with the Health Secretary and a possible individual scenario as yet unknown.

 

 

I have this message from someone in rural Italy - 

 

"For the record, I am in an area that is now in lockdown. Shops are closed except for the chemist, baker, and supermarket. You may only go into the baker and chemist one at a time. At the supermarket you must use a trolly. There are only 10 in circulation so you must wait outside till one is free. People wait at a distance of around 3M. You need to compile a self certificate before leaving the house; only essential movements are allowed. Spot check are made and several people in this small village have already been fined."

 

Be prepared for restrictions whether you like the idea or not. 
 

[jjb1970]

Maybe it's just me but I can't help thinking of Ben Tre in Vietnam these days.

[jcredfer]

2 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

But the military and others are also going to be affected by the disease!

 

True, but I wasn't suggesting they used the sick ones, nor that they got particularly close to those over 70.

 

Julian

 

[APOLLO]

Well if the 1939 WW2 spirit ain't there - then we may as well go Ozz !! Some superb product names ---

 

 

 

Anyway - I'm 67, and intend to self isolate as far as I can (shopping trips only). We have already discussed with an old neighbour and my elder brother who likes across town on his own. He is over 70. Family friends & neighbours here will do our best for each other. But we're Wiganers, it's what we do. Our parents saw far worse (when it comes to shortages & hardships.

 

As to Government "decrees" etc - well we will see. I will do what is common sense and if TSHTF then it's survival of the fittest (which rules me around middle / lower end of the list) !!. Kids are now at home (uni's closed), wife works in the food industry (a vital industry now) - already very hygiene conscious they have really upped the game this last week or two. But there really are no guarantees re this virus. 

 

If I / we get the virus - just intend to do the best we can, etc etc. More concerned than worried. We went to a local retail park by Asda this afternoon - normally on a Sunday it's trafic bedlam - today not very busy at all, even Asda (didn't go in though). 

 

If self isolation / over 70's / schools closed etc is necessary -  then Just do it - NOW.

 

Last point, my mother never knew her mother, she died just after her birth of the Spanish Flu. A long time ago.

 

These things are sent to try us every so often.

 

Brit15

[jcredfer]

I got the current Gov't advice this afternoon, through the School, where am one of the governors.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-people-with-confirmed-or-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection 

 

It is very clear about what the over 70s can and can't do and those who have symptoms.

 

NB.  I am not so clear about what you do in a house with a youngster halfway through Secondary ed, a M-in-Law just under 80, a wife still travelling to work in London [involved in the planning for events surrounding the Covid-19, so unlikely to get many days working from home] and I am firmly in the 70+ category.  I guess it's a case of when we get it, rather than if.

 

Julian

 

[Ian Hargrave]

1 hour ago, runs as required said:

Everything changed for us this morning! The gap between north and south has suddenly slammed shut. 

 

I came back from bellringing next door to find our other next door neighbour (who’s half of our Tudor semi I’d been guarding) was home from skiing in Austria. Ringing his doorbell I found, through shouting through the window, he’d returned having had the PanD symptoms since last Tuesday!

He has decided upon a personal lockdown for 14 days.

Until yesterday we were still receiving calls from the smoke disbelieving that we were still going out to listen to curlews returning to the moors above the old Stanhope & Tyne from Waskerley.

 

We’ve decided we need to have a PLAN explicit about Choices that are open to us.

Wife and I are both octogenarians - I’m currently undergoing Imunotherapy for liver cancer so have a lower chance of survival than my young wife.

The way we are approaching this enforced self-isolation is by starting a Journal bio  - and sorting our chaotic family photographs (in four different formats).

Sorry to hear of your awkward situation. But informative in that you live it seems not too far from where my son and his family live....just up the Durham Road in Low Fell. I’ll pass on the warning. Thank you for posting and do please take great care.I look forward to your future posts.Regards.

[Gwiwer]

Shock horror.  Cases locally have doubled.  To two.  

 

Government advice is precisely that - advice.  Currently there is no big stick.  Tomorrow and onwards it will be business as usual here. 

[LBRJ]

Tesco Online is still functioning for me, though the first available slot is Monday 23/03 and quite a few items are restricted to how many you can buy....

IF we are going to be locked up in our homes, I better get the wheelbarrow out to bring the required ale supplies back to HQ

[The Stationmaster]

5 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

I have decided that at 76 (next Sunday) the best approach to this is to avoid crowds, so no more model railway shows until this thing goes away, no more visits to pubs at least on busy days and probably no more visits to the model railway club. The weekly visit to Tesco is just going to have to happen, no matter what.

I started this policy this weekend, so no Basingstoke show for me, but I do have to come to a decision on Scalefour North, the B&B was booked last November.

In place of this I've decided that weekly trips out will keep me sane, it was nice to see Sheringham at the weekend.

Regards

Agree absolutely as that is basically what I'm doing hence Basingstoke was off the agenda this weekensd as is Ally Pally next weekend.  My outings are basically limited to shopping in Tesco (where I wish they would keep out those coming from other towns and stripping the shelves) and little more.  i have a surgery appointment for Tuesday and will be checking with them tomorrow what the procedure is to ascertain if i should still go although it is for a long scheduled blood test.  All really down to common sense I think but clearly lots of people seem to be unable to apply that hence my preference would be more for wider lockdown on a geographical basis rather than a somewhat skewed approach based solely on age which seems to largely down to hospital capacity rather than much else. Having spent a good many years paying for the NHS I think I remain as entitled as any other 'subscriber' to the treatments it offers.

 

I sha;; al;so be asking if a pneumovax h jab is of any value if Cov-19 gets to work (I had one a few weeks back, my request).