RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted May 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, Combe Martin said: Mmmm ... the only problem with the Southern ones is that compared to the 'big two' there were a 'fraction' of them, and even fewer of the LNER ones. But in BR days all were to be seen all over the country. Only in the case of United Dairies/Unigate on the Western Region was there anything resembling a monoculture, getting on for 90% ex-GWR by my reckoning, whereas ex-GWR vehicles were less common in the other major fleet, that of Express Dairy. It is, though, somewhat misleading to ascribe milk tanks to individual railways, who only owned the underframes; the tanks themselves were the property of the dairy companies. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2 Exactly. During my time as a Canton guard in the 70s I don't think I saw any underframes other than the 6-wheel GW design, our milk train being the Whitland-Kensington. One of my link jobs was to deliver the empties and pick up loadeds from Marshfield, between Cardiff and Newport. A Hymek job, initially this meant propelling the loaded tanks back to Cardiff from Marshfield, which was fun, but later, 1972 IIRC, the trailing xover at Marshfield was taken out and we took the tanks to Newport to run around before running them back to Cardiff to be attached to the up milk in the evening. Marshfield was accessed by a ground frame, which I liked, a chance to exercise my frustrated inner signalman... I was the guard on the xover removal train, which involved taking the Radyr PAD 35ton Smith-Rodley (think Airfix kit with a solid 8-wheel underframe, self-propelled) and some Grampus out to the site, shutting the loco down and putting the handbrake on, and getting locked in to the Port'o'Call pub while the boys got on with it. We finished up in there about 2am, and all climbed aboard my van which had a good stove fire going, and 'rested our eyes' until the Workabust turned up at about 6 o'clock with our relief. Hell, but somebody had to do it, and on Sunday overtime rates as well; shame to take the money, really, not that I ever gave any of it back... The dairy was a few hundred yards up the road and the milk was brought down in road tankers to be loaded on to the Miltas. They stank, btw; the glass-lined insides might have been spotlessly steam-cleaned but the outsides were covered in stale milkspill, and I have always avoided modelling them because of the association. But I agree; the old Lima model was good in it's day but is showing it's age now and doesn't cut the mustard any more. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 10 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: But in BR days all were to be seen all over the country. Only in the case of United Dairies/Unigate on the Western Region was there anything resembling a monoculture, getting on for 90% ex-GWR by my reckoning, whereas ex-GWR vehicles were less common in the other major fleet, that of Express Dairy. It is, though, somewhat misleading to ascribe milk tanks to individual railways, who only owned the underframes; the tanks themselves were the property of the dairy companies. John Yes, in BR days a tanker from any of the fleets could wander, whether many did or not is another matter, but certainly tankers from all of the ex big 4 could go anywhere. I'm not qualified to comment on how much of the Unigate fleet when used on the WR was ex GWR as I wasnt there, though it dosnt sound unreasonable, but I can say that of the ex-GWR/BR fleet (BR built tankers were the GWR design) about 70% were Unigate and about 30% Express Dairies. With the ex-LMS fleet the proportions were almost the same. What I've been getting at when referring to (for example) an ex GWR vehicle is that you could produce just one ex-GWR/BR underframe and fit it with several different Unigate 'tank tops' and several different diagram Express Dairy 'tank tops', though these all look very similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 19 minutes ago, Combe Martin said: What I've been getting at when referring to (for example) an ex GWR vehicle is that you could produce just one ex-GWR/BR underframe and fit it with several different Unigate 'tank tops' and several different diagram Express Dairy 'tank tops', though these all look very similar. Don't overlook those with the filler at an extreme end https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/ef46a832d https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e3d9c41c5 or twin fillers https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e30d8d2a3 and the 2000 gallon (small) tanks https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e18c46993 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e19911708 And there are lots of engineers repaints, rebuilds etc that could be modelled. And even the late rebuilds which were rarely used https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e3313a90e Paul https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combe Martin Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 hours ago, hmrspaul said: Don't overlook those with the filler at an extreme end https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/ef46a832d https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e3d9c41c5 or twin fillers https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e30d8d2a3 and the 2000 gallon (small) tanks https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e18c46993 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e19911708 And there are lots of engineers repaints, rebuilds etc that could be modelled. And even the late rebuilds which were rarely used https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks/e3313a90e Paul https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmilktanks That's a good point, I had been thinking that these only had a modelling life up to maybe the mid 70's (for milk), but engineers use extends that into the 'modern era' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 9 hours ago, Combe Martin said: That's a good point, I had been thinking that these only had a modelling life up to maybe the mid 70's (for milk), but engineers use extends that into the 'modern era' Mid 1970s is premature. We have discussed milk traffic extensively on RMWeb and persisted into 1980. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 So, just over one day until the next Irish announcement. Whilst hoping for an 80 Class, I expect it'll be a wagon to add to the fleet of Bulleid based stock they have been turning out. Did Bulleid design any milk tankers for CIE? A mix of the grain wagons recently announced with some milk tanks on the back would sort out breakfast nicely. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, hmrspaul said: Mid 1970s is premature. We have discussed milk traffic extensively on RMWeb and persisted into 1980. Paul Certainly as far as the WR was concerned, it was not until road improvements carried fast dual carriageways into Darkest Dyfed, Devon beyond Exeter, and Cornwall, that long distance road haulage became viable to replace the rail service. I imagine similar conditions existed elsewhere. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeCoach Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Making Air-Con Mk2s would bring more opportunities to make overseas models as well, such as the New Zealand Mk2s and the Taiwanese EMU100. The 'compromise' 1:76.2 scale would carry over to them, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCML100 Posted Wednesday at 18:08 Share Posted Wednesday at 18:08 let the guessing commence… my money is on a rerun of the cutdown HYA in the new liveries as well as some re runs of the HYA/IIA. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted Wednesday at 18:19 RMweb Gold Share Posted Wednesday at 18:19 10 minutes ago, WCML100 said: let the guessing commence… my money is on a rerun of the cutdown HYA in the new liveries as well as some re runs of the HYA/IIA. As an Rmweb exclusive, it’s not a rerun of anything. ;) 2 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted Wednesday at 18:28 RMweb Gold Share Posted Wednesday at 18:28 It's surely got to be the ultimate black five 😁 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted Wednesday at 19:11 RMweb Gold Share Posted Wednesday at 19:11 New range of 1:76 fairground equipment, starting with a merry-go-round... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium reddragon Posted Wednesday at 20:02 RMweb Premium Share Posted Wednesday at 20:02 1 hour ago, McC said: As an Rmweb exclusive, it’s not a rerun of anything. ;) O or OO gauge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted Wednesday at 20:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:38 Class 40. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted Wednesday at 20:45 Share Posted Wednesday at 20:45 HTV 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XChris Posted yesterday at 01:09 Share Posted yesterday at 01:09 My money is on the HEA or MEA. Uses existing tooling from the HAA’s and they did both coal and aggregate work… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted yesterday at 01:49 Share Posted yesterday at 01:49 I also want to say class 59, also, possibly class 58? But, if it is an RMWEB exclusive, it is probably a wagon.... But, fingers crossed for a class 40. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted yesterday at 10:54 RMweb Gold Share Posted yesterday at 10:54 (edited) 9 hours ago, PieGuyRob said: I also want to say class 59, also, possibly class 58? But, if it is an RMWEB exclusive, it is probably a wagon.... But, fingers crossed for a class 40. It's not an RMweb exclusive product - we just confirmed, exclusively on RMweb it is a new tooling :) Edited yesterday at 10:54 by McC 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted yesterday at 11:19 RMweb Premium Share Posted yesterday at 11:19 10 hours ago, XChris said: My money is on the HEA or MEA. Uses existing tooling from the HAA’s and they did both coal and aggregate work… What tooling would it use? The chassis are completely different. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted yesterday at 12:07 RMweb Gold Share Posted yesterday at 12:07 Felix Pole 20tonners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted yesterday at 12:31 RMweb Premium Share Posted yesterday at 12:31 8F is where my money is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted yesterday at 12:38 Share Posted yesterday at 12:38 If it turns out to be a 58, I'm sure @AY Mod would like "Rugeley Power Station" in the first batch. I think the 8F might be a good call if a loco, unless NIR secretly used their 80 class DEMUs to carry coal and limestone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted yesterday at 12:41 Moderators Share Posted yesterday at 12:41 2 minutes ago, wombatofludham said: If it turns out to be a 58, I'm sure @AY Mod would like "Rugeley Power Station" in the first batch. Never been a bone-boy; maybe I should blow it up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XChris Posted yesterday at 12:45 Share Posted yesterday at 12:45 (edited) 1 hour ago, newbryford said: What tooling would it use? The chassis are completely different. ahh yes my apologies, getting my 4 wheeled wagons mixed up. Can’t say I ever spent too long looking at them. It’ll be interesting to see what is announced non the less Edited yesterday at 12:47 by XChris Additional sentence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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