RMweb Premium SR71 Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2022 Well; 2021 Ver: 395.5 Ham: 387.5 + 5% = 407. FIA need to be very careful. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Well, there's a surprise. The winner of the 2021 and 2022 F1 drivers and 2021 Constructors championships are the only ones found to have overspent. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I was reading an article the other day from Mercedes, they know exactly what mistake they made on their chassis design which led to their awful season, the cost cap has stopped them from being able to fully fix it this season, but it will be resolved by next season. They won't give away what it is, but at least they know it - hence why the chassis has been slowly evolving but the most important bit cannot yet be fixed. The cost cap has implications and a 5m overspend is half a second on a lap time which we all recognise is significant. But somehow, I suspect they will still get away with it, almost like a certain ex president. 1 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SR71 said: Well; 2021 Ver: 395.5 Ham: 387.5 + 5% = 407. FIA need to be very careful. Or spread over a season, "just under 5%" represents one race. So RB are disqualified from the race that finally took them over the budget cap - the last race of the season. Of course that will never happen. RB will be fined - the fine sloshing around within the "sport". Omerta (as the very innocent Jean Alessi might say). Who knows, some might even help towards Bernie's legal expenses? Edited October 10, 2022 by EddieB 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2022 5% represents $7.25 million , buys an awful lot . 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Looking at the possible penalties for a minor breach it evidently does pay to cheat (with a little help from Massi to make sure). Lewis mentioned a new floor costing £300K last season would have made a massive difference but their budget ran out at Silverstone. They should have just done it. F1 is a joke. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 If the FIA don't stamp on this hard then other teams will do the same next year. A fine will mean nothing to RB. Only a severe reduction in next years budget/air tunnel testing or point deductions will make them sit up and take notice. I suspect if that does occur the toys will go out the pram with a threat of leaving F1. So be it. RB seems to be a very toxic environment. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sidecar Racer said: 5% represents $7.25 million , buys an awful lot . Mattia Binotto says it buys the difference between maybe second row and pole. That is an awfully big advantage in most races. 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2022 Just now, didcot said: the toys will go out the pram with a threat of leaving F1. So be it. RB seems to be a very toxic environment. The "sport" would not miss RB, but Verstappen's sudden availability would have a huge impact on the driver market. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, didcot said: I suspect if that does occur the toys will go out the pram with a threat of leaving F1. So be it. Amen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 Perhaps Andretti could take over the team. They have been trying to get into F1 for some time. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Just now, didcot said: Perhaps Andretti could take over the team. They have been trying to get into F1 for some time. Or Porsche back and kick out Horner and Marko. 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/63206887 Now this wouldn't happen in a male series. Also W Series isn't recognised by the FIA so drivers can't accrue license points for F1. Last time I checked it was the 21st Century. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 So it seems that the overspend is sandwiches and sickness - they are not going to use Adrian Newey's accident as an excuse are they? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, didcot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/63206887 Now this wouldn't happen in a male series. Also W Series isn't recognised by the FIA so drivers can't accrue license points for F1. Last time I checked it was the 21st Century. That's awful - for women, a cap is a cap and they simply stop racing when the money runs out. In F1 they order more sandwiches and the car goes even quicker. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, woodenhead said: So it seems that the overspend is sandwiches and sickness - they are not going to use Adrian Newey's accident as an excuse are they? Were they gold plated sandwiches. If they get away with it on that excuse I sincerely hope the other teams come together with some legal action. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 Just now, didcot said: Were they gold plated sandwiches. If they get away with it on that excuse I sincerely hope the other teams come together with some legal action. From what I have read, RB have a sympathetic journo making comments for them, this isn't official FIA commentary. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted October 10, 2022 Author Share Posted October 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, woodenhead said: From what I have read, RB have a sympathetic journo making comments for them, this isn't official FIA commentary. That would be Sky F1 then. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 It certainly seens to be... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR71 Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) As I suggested before his plan b, that he's been in training for all season, is as a pundit on Sky so it figures they'll give him an easy ride I wonder if Eddie Jordan will hand over his treasured collection of shirts. Edited October 10, 2022 by SR71 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 hour ago, didcot said: Were they gold plated sandwiches. If they get away with it on that excuse I sincerely hope the other teams come together with some legal action. Are the gold sandwiches drilled for lightweight? Jo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sidecar Racer Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) I notice that the actual overspend has not been stated , just that it's less than 5% which is meaningless on a 145 million total , it could be as low as .5% so $725,000 or 4.9% so $7,105000 . I think we should know so that when we see the penalty we can tell if it is a tough one or just a cover up . Edited October 10, 2022 by Sidecar Racer 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2022 piles of receipts being disposed of near MK... https://t.co/Z99BBnY9Tz 3 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2022 Simple punishment would be if they went 5% over budget this year reduce next years budget by 5% with a strict and independent audit of their spending throughout the year. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted October 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: Simple punishment would be if they went 5% over budget this year reduce next years budget by 5% with a strict and independent audit of their spending throughout the year. Frankly given the state of the audit world at the moment, it wouldn’t give me any further faith in the process… 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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