Torbay Express Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 The VIX is a nice model, I am just a little disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same level of detail as a continental model of similar price, especially with Rapidos reputation for detail.... DB Van: Separate details..... Just much more finesse, compared to the much more coarse moulded detail on the VIX. The packaging is at another level too. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 12, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2023 10 hours ago, Torbay Express said: The VIX is a nice model, I am just a little disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same level of detail as a continental model of similar price, especially with Rapidos reputation for detail.... DB Van: Separate details..... Just much more finesse, compared to the much more coarse moulded detail on the VIX. The packaging is at another level too. Yes, IMHO Rapido missed a trick by concentrating all their efforts on the undergubbins which you can't see in normal conditions but didn't spend a commensurate amount of time and effort on the bits you can, the lack of etched ventilator bits being one case in point. Shame really, it could be elevated from pretty good to being a winner otherwise. Mike. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryLamb2 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) Good afternoon, I have used the P4 wheelsets from Accurascale I ordered as replacement wheels for the Deltic and the forthcoming EE Type 3 as I couldn't find a use for them. I found they are very true and give the correct ride height as an unsprung model but I will use modified Maso' sprung irons for the pair I'm converting. As an aside, the P4 wheels that Accurascale supplied as replacements may have been of the incorrect diameter but the product was excellent being very true! Edited March 12, 2023 by HarryLamb2 was for is. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On 12/03/2023 at 09:13, Torbay Express said: The VIX is a nice model, I am just a little disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same level of detail as a continental model of similar price, especially with Rapidos reputation for detail.... DB Van: Separate details..... Just much more finesse, compared to the much more coarse moulded detail on the VIX. The packaging is at another level too. Out of interest what model is this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 11/03/2023 at 22:13, Torbay Express said: The VIX is a nice model, I am just a little disappointed that it doesn't quite have the same level of detail as a continental model of similar price, especially with Rapidos reputation for detail.... Just much more finesse, compared to the much more coarse moulded detail on the VIX. The packaging is at another level too. An interesting comparison. Looking at the photos on Paul Bartlett's website there are very few showing open vents - perhaps open vents were more likely to be seen when in traffic rather than sitting in a siding? But even if they could have been modelled I suspect the consequences in terms of additional fragility and price would have been significant. I am not sure what issue there can be with the packaging - seems standard to me. Do you mean additional prototype info or a detailing pack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Express Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 12/03/2023 at 23:12, Jim76 said: Out of interest what model is this? A wagon from Exact Trains in the Netherlands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Express Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 On 13/03/2023 at 10:10, Pteremy said: An interesting comparison. Looking at the photos on Paul Bartlett's website there are very few showing open vents - perhaps open vents were more likely to be seen when in traffic rather than sitting in a siding? But even if they could have been modelled I suspect the consequences in terms of additional fragility and price would have been significant. I am not sure what issue there can be with the packaging - seems standard to me. Do you mean additional prototype info or a detailing pack? Hi, I weren't really on about the vents being open, but more what looks to be much finer tooling, combined with the separately fitted door and vent furniture, vice the quite coarse moulding on the new VIX. General....... Detailed.... Bottoms up.... (pretty much on par, although the Exact one does have hole detail in the steps) Best things dont always come in small packages...... Packaging is not a major, just not a great admirer of the plastic trays which can get smashed in transit (even with Accurascale rolling stock I am not a fan of it, although their outer packaging is much thicker, than the flimsy VIX wagons box). Nothing is going anywhere with that foam, nevermind the thick cardboard outer! Just looks sturdier and better quality than the trays. The above is obviously my views based on comparison, but hopefully the photos above, illustrate my points. The VIX has some nice features and bits of detail, trainferry securing eyelets, spidering on the back of buffers etc., but overall the bodyside detail just looks too coarse. For saying that the manufacturer prides themselves on exquisite detail, it just doesn't seem to have happened in this case, with the bodysides. The price point is pretty similar too at standard prices, although I picked the DB wagon up in a sale. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Torbay Express said: but overall the bodyside detail just looks too coarse. I get the extra features. But too coarse? You are comparing an H0 model with an 00 one. It doesn't look particularly coarse to me, or when compared with other recent and well regarded 00 models that I have. But maybe that is just what I am used to. And it does seem as if ExtraTrain have set out to go the extra mile in their particular market. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Express Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 32 minutes ago, Pteremy said: And it does seem as if ExtraTrain have set out to go the extra mile in their particular market. So did Rapido if you look at Jason's usual attention to detail, and the A5 paperwork included..... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Torbay Express said: So did Rapido if you look at Jason's usual attention to detail, and the A5 paperwork included..... That's probably just for the bus! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 On 15/03/2023 at 07:16, Torbay Express said: A wagon from Exact Trains in the Netherlands. Thanks, though I mean the German prototype? Sorry if I was not clearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krieghoff Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Any news yet on the Vix vans what had to go back for renumbering ? i have a pending order for two with The Model Centre near Whitby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RapidoCorbs Posted April 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Krieghoff said: Any news yet on the Vix vans what had to go back for renumbering ? i have a pending order for two with The Model Centre near Whitby. None as yet, when we get an update from the factory we will share it ASAP. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) I guess the reworked RF Red & Grey VIX /RBX are on the high seas (maybe with some cl156s for Charlie) as just been asked to pay my balance Edited June 7, 2023 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidoandy Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 8 hours ago, black and decker boy said: I guess the reworked RF Red & Grey VIX /RBX are on the high seas (maybe with some cl156s for Charlie) as just been asked to pay my balance Even better than that… they are sat in the warehouse! All being well they will be dispatched before the end of the week. Andy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 If anyone's interested in the numbering of these, I just dug out some old notes in answer to a query on another thread (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/155329-br-exhibition-coaches/?do=findComment&comment=5195134), which I'll repeat here as it seems a useful spot: Quote John M Upton said: international number 21 70 214 0144- 3 but does anyone know what the proper BR number was please Unbelievably, from notes I made peering at wagon plates at Hoo Junction and elsewhere in the 1980s, I noted that actual wagon! 21 RIV 70 BR 214 0 144-3 was (G)B 787017. I think the G was on the cast wagon plate originally, but by then, the white paint picked out only from the B onwards, hence the (G) in brackets. From those notes, the UIC numbering and the BR numbers were in sequence within the two batches of vans (there was a gap in the (G)B-series numbering, first batch GB786873-GB787022 and second GB787098-GB787347 according to https://www.ltsv.com/w_ref_numbers_b1.php). The UIC numbering was changed at some point from 21 70 214 0 xxx-y to 21 70 238 0 xxx-y or 21 70 239 0 xxx-y. The last digit (y above) is a check digit, so the actual sequence number of each wagon is the xxx (the 144 in your example). I noted a few others: 214 0 000-7 = 786873 (first of the first batch) 239 0 008-? = 786881 (+8 from the start of each series - I didn't record the check digit) 214 0 047-? = 786920 238 0 058-? = 786931 238 0 059-? = 786932 ... and from the second batch 238 0 180-? = 787128 238 0 305-? = 787253 Quick bit of work with Excel and you could make a cross-reference for them all. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 5 hours ago, eastwestdivide said: If anyone's interested in the numbering of these, I just dug out some old notes in answer to a query on another thread (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/155329-br-exhibition-coaches/?do=findComment&comment=5195134), which I'll repeat here as it seems a useful spot: Unbelievably, from notes I made peering at wagon plates at Hoo Junction and elsewhere in the 1980s, I noted that actual wagon! 21 RIV 70 BR 214 0 144-3 was (G)B 787017. I think the G was on the cast wagon plate originally, but by then, the white paint picked out only from the B onwards, hence the (G) in brackets. From those notes, the UIC numbering and the BR numbers were in sequence within the two batches of vans (there was a gap in the (G)B-series numbering, first batch GB786873-GB787022 and second GB787098-GB787347 according to https://www.ltsv.com/w_ref_numbers_b1.php). The UIC numbering was changed at some point from 21 70 214 0 xxx-y to 21 70 238 0 xxx-y or 21 70 239 0 xxx-y. The last digit (y above) is a check digit, so the actual sequence number of each wagon is the xxx (the 144 in your example). I noted a few others: 214 0 000-7 = 786873 (first of the first batch) 239 0 008-? = 786881 (+8 from the start of each series - I didn't record the check digit) 214 0 047-? = 786920 238 0 058-? = 786931 238 0 059-? = 786932 ... and from the second batch 238 0 180-? = 787128 238 0 305-? = 787253 Quick bit of work with Excel and you could make a cross-reference for them all. The ones that were in a different series weren't those fitted with flexible slides for Belgium from Longbridge, were they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Fat Controller said: The ones that were in a different series weren't those fitted with flexible slides for Belgium from Longbridge, were they? No idea sorry. Don’t recall those at all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Follow this link to a curtain sided conversion for British Leyland! Paul Bartlett's Photographs | BR Ferry vans; diagram 1/227 of 1962 and conversions IMX VIX VJX VQX RRX RBX ZVX ZQB ZCX ZSX ZRX ZJX ZYX (zenfolio.com) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Mark Saunders said: Follow this link to a curtain sided conversion for British Leyland! Paul Bartlett's Photographs | BR Ferry vans; diagram 1/227 of 1962 and conversions IMX VIX VJX VQX RRX RBX ZVX ZQB ZCX ZSX ZRX ZJX ZYX (zenfolio.com) https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/e13cd6717 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/e19c95df9 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan/e199cf36c Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2023 15 hours ago, Fat Controller said: The ones that were in a different series weren't those fitted with flexible slides for Belgium from Longbridge, were they? Did they ever get there without breaking down?!! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Those running in the 60s were these usually seen in rakes with other ferry van makes or single with in mixed goods, not seen any pictures of these in train formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 10, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 hours ago, paul 27 said: Those running in the 60s were these usually seen in rakes with other ferry van makes or single with in mixed goods, not seen any pictures of these in train formations. I would imagine the only chance of a full rake of these would be on a Dover to Hither Green working, not that I've ever seen a picture, as you say primarily used in rakes of various other nationalities ferry vans. There was a Harwich working over Woodhead which had the spectacle of these vans being hauled by EM1s. Mike. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 10, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2023 I inadvertently bought a Rapido weathered barrier van, item 91004, if anybody fancies doing a swap at DEMU? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul 27 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: I would imagine the only chance of a full rake of these would be on a Dover to Hither Green working, not that I've ever seen a picture, as you say primarily used in rakes of various other nationalities ferry vans. There was a Harwich working over Woodhead which had the spectacle of these vans being hauled by EM1s. Mike. Mike. Thanks Mike, it was the Harwich to Manchester workings i was interested in any one have pictures. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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