Steamport Southport Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Reorte said: The problem with A Christmas Carol is that it ends up ruining a decent character in Scrooge. Watch the Blackadder version... Might not work if you are not in the UK. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gfzhq 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Reorte said: The problem with A Christmas Carol is that it ends up ruining a decent character in Scrooge. He has an unsettled nights sleep and goes out boozing with his clerk on Boxing Day. Not very plausible.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia NSE Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 19/12/2022 at 07:18, 'CHARD said: Award of the year for the best unpublished FALL lyric goes to.... Containers-uh and their drivers-uh! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 19/12/2022 at 07:18, 'CHARD said: Award of the year for the best unpublished FALL lyric goes to.... 3 hours ago, Sophia NSE said: Containers-uh and their drivers-uh! It's just a branch on the tree of showbusiness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Martino Posted December 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) On 19/12/2022 at 12:50, The Johnster said: Any rural pub, any evening, constant moaning about their miserable lot, ripped off by the supermarkets, crops failed, mad cows, foot & mouth, foxes ate the chooks, sarcoptic mange mites, and so on. And on. Even now they don't have the CAP to moan about anymore; they just claim that EU farmers have an unfair market advantage, this of course after they all voted for Brexit. Then come closing time they head off into the car park in their battered jackets and torn hats, get in the brand new £60k Range Rover, and drive home in airconditioned leather seated poverty. Sorry, what exactly was it about rural life I don't understand because I'm a townie again? 60K new Range Rover! Where do you find those bargains? Edited December 23, 2022 by Martino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 On 21/12/2022 at 21:14, Hroth said: He has an unsettled nights sleep and goes out boozing with his clerk on Boxing Day. Not very plausible.... Really, that's a general comment on Dickens' whole oeuvre - the inability to portray virtue convincingly. His whole fame and reputation rests upon the portrayal (and to a fair extent, mitigation) of villains and grotesque caricatures. Ebenezer Scrooge probably goes on conducting his business much as before apart from his improved relationship with Bob Cratchitt. Taking his best-known work, Fagin and The Artful Dodger are caricatures of real-life figures well known to his audience from the popular press of the day. Try googling THEIR ultimate fates... Bill Sikes is a generic "heavy" with no redeeming qualities at all, a violent burglar and murderer of Nancy - but even this central event in the book is the outcome of his violent nature, he undergoes no "character transformation" and his ultimate shooting to death was undoubtedly intended to be regarded as "no more than he deserved" and not even the charismatic Oliver Reed could endow him with anything likeable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2022 This sums things up nicely 8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted December 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2022 Yesterday there was a 20 minute queue for trolleys at the supermarket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 There was a queue outside Pandora's at ten past nine this morning.... words fail me. Supermarkets here were fairly slack from what I could see, but absolutely chaos around the fuel pumps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 5 hours ago, rockershovel said: Really, that's a general comment on Dickens' whole oeuvre - the inability to portray virtue convincingly. His whole fame and reputation rests upon the portrayal (and to a fair extent, mitigation) of villains and grotesque caricatures. Ebenezer Scrooge probably goes on conducting his business much as before apart from his improved relationship with Bob Cratchitt. Taking his best-known work, Fagin and The Artful Dodger are caricatures of real-life figures well known to his audience from the popular press of the day. Try googling THEIR ultimate fates... Bill Sikes is a generic "heavy" with no redeeming qualities at all, a violent burglar and murderer of Nancy - but even this central event in the book is the outcome of his violent nature, he undergoes no "character transformation" and his ultimate shooting to death was undoubtedly intended to be regarded as "no more than he deserved" and not even the charismatic Oliver Reed could endow him with anything likeable. “One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.” ― Oscar Wilde 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted December 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2022 5 hours ago, rockershovel said: Really, that's a general comment on Dickens' whole oeuvre - the inability to portray virtue convincingly. His whole fame and reputation rests upon the portrayal (and to a fair extent, mitigation) of villains and grotesque caricatures. Ebenezer Scrooge probably goes on conducting his business much as before apart from his improved relationship with Bob Cratchitt. Taking his best-known work, Fagin and The Artful Dodger are caricatures of real-life figures well known to his audience from the popular press of the day. Try googling THEIR ultimate fates... Bill Sikes is a generic "heavy" with no redeeming qualities at all, a violent burglar and murderer of Nancy - but even this central event in the book is the outcome of his violent nature, he undergoes no "character transformation" and his ultimate shooting to death was undoubtedly intended to be regarded as "no more than he deserved" and not even the charismatic Oliver Reed could endow him with anything likeable. Yet I believe some real change did happen as a result of his stories - they're just stories to us now, but described real issues of the day, so served the purpose he was writing them for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, rockershovel said: There was a queue outside Pandora's at ten past nine this morning.... words fail me. I wonder if Gerald Ratner has anything to do with them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2022 3 hours ago, rockershovel said: There was a queue outside Pandora's at ten past nine this morning.... words fail me. Supermarkets here were fairly slack from what I could see, but absolutely chaos around the fuel pumps same outside Pandora in Glasgow yesterday, lots of dejected looking desperate blokes mainly! I filled up in sainsburys petrol station earlier, no queues at all, also popped into the Aldi in whitchurch looking for a bottle of booze, no busier than a normal weekend really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) Aargh! Just been to visit my mother. Local brass band playing Christmas carols flat and slow. Made "O little town of Bethlehem" sound like a funeral dirge. They all must have cloth ears. Edited December 24, 2022 by eastglosmog 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 18 hours ago, Reorte said: Yet I believe some real change did happen as a result of his stories - they're just stories to us now, but described real issues of the day, so served the purpose he was writing them for. You don't achieve the sort of success Dickens achieved, without speaking to attitudes which are widely held. It was a time of public moral renewal; look at the Abolitionist and Chartist movements, Methodism and the legitimisation of what would become Trades Union movement. Dickens spoke from the heart, to the heart. It was a time when imprisonment for debt was much feared, for good reason; when religious dissenters were excluded from professional and social opportunities and the working poor were undergoing profound transformation. He also became a leading figure in the development of the new mass media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 13 hours ago, eastglosmog said: Aargh! Just been to visit my mother. Local brass band playing Christmas carols flat and slow. Made "O little town of Bethlehem" sound like a funeral dirge. They all must have cloth ears. Went to the Cathedral last night (packed!) For carols with the Salvation Army band and Cathedral choir. Good rousing stuff and quite tremendous acoustics. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted December 25, 2022 Author Share Posted December 25, 2022 15 hours ago, big jim said: same outside Pandora in Glasgow yesterday, lots of dejected looking desperate blokes mainly! I filled up in sainsburys petrol station earlier, no queues at all, also popped into the Aldi in whitchurch looking for a bottle of booze, no busier than a normal weekend really It's a general comment on Peterborough's Parkway, that it was designed at a time when out-of-town shopping was still developing and fuel stations weren't part of the supermarket system. Over time the supermarkets have developed fuel stations which obstruct the main entrances. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastglosmog Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, rockershovel said: ................. Dickens spoke from the heart, to the heart. It was a time when imprisonment for debt was much feared, for good reason; when religious dissenters were excluded from professional and social opportunities .................. And the social exclusion of dissenters was arguably the force starting the railways and modern iron making with coke, as both the Pease's and Darby's were Quakers, so spent their money on more useful projects than social climbing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 ''No £60k Range Rovers or half cut jolly old farmer types were hurt in the making of this cuddly comedy caper filum, wot is usually shown on your televisual set of a Boxing Day afternoon, see the Radio Times for details...'' 😉 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) The only film that had Noel Coward and Benny Hill in it! I put that as a quiz question in a pub quiz where the winners had to set the next weeks quiz and nobody got it.... Edited December 25, 2022 by Steamport Southport 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 … in laws. D 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2022 my Christmas dinner! 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted December 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, big jim said: my Christmas dinner! At least you avoid the "relatives"......and...Hula Hoops or Nik Naks? Edited December 25, 2022 by Gilbert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 25, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gilbert said: At least you avoid the "relatives"......and...Hula Hoops or Nik Naks? hula hoops, hopefully the esso next to the worksite will have a rollover hot dog left later when I finish! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 I can't believe it!! Yet again - it happens every year!! After warning his fellow POWs about it, Gordon Jackson again meekly replies "Thank you" to the Gestapo man who wishes him 'good luck'.... 🙄🙄 Every year it happens!! Will he never learn??!! 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Yep. 'The Great Escape' is on..... 👍👍😁😁😁 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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