Cavalex - New Class 60

[lego legs]

sTop iT wiTh These Teasers.

[Ultimate Model Railways]

46 minutes ago, lego legs said:

sTop iT wiTh These Teasers.

we're just dotting the 'i's and circling the 'T's

[37081LochLong]

57 minutes ago, Ultimate Model Railways said:

we're just dotting the 'i's and circling the 'T's

Transrail then? 😉

[ColinB]

On 31/01/2024 at 04:45, Hilux5972 said:

Yes but if it was powered, it wouldn’t be floating. Either way, Cavalex has done the correct thing but having it the way they have. Much better for road holding and no chance of pivoting and coming off the track 

I bought one of those Fell locos marketed by Rails with 4 pairs of wheels none floating. trouble is if your track isn't absolutely flat as someone said it pivots and worst still it has the effect that all the pickups don't work. On the Fell with its dodgy pickups an even bigger issue. So I can see why it is a good idea to have the centre wheel floating especially on a diesel where the wheels are much closer together.

[atom3624]

Having received a 56, currently circulating as I write, I'm waiting for my 60, with increasing impatience!!  Very curious to see just how much extra detailing it will have cf. the still excellent Hornby model.

Al.

[37081LochLong]

21 minutes ago, ColinB said:

I bought one of those Fell locos marketed by Rails with 4 pairs of wheels none floating. trouble is if your track isn't absolutely flat as someone said it pivots and worst still it has the effect that all the pickups don't work. On the Fell with its dodgy pickups an even bigger issue. So I can see why it is a good idea to have the centre wheel floating especially on a diesel where the wheels are much closer together.

Rails were a seller of the Fell (awful model) but they didn't market it, that was KR Models

[ColinB]

2 minutes ago, 37081LochLong said:

Rails were a seller of the Fell (awful model) but they didn't market it, that was KR Models

I couldn't remember who made it but you are right it was dreadful. I got so fed up with the pickup issue I modified the back and front bogies with Hornby pickup parts so it ran a lot better. Since then I steer well clear of any KR Models just in case.

[PieGuyRob]

On 19/01/2024 at 12:19, 47007stratford said:

rails of sheffield exclusives https://railsofsheffield.com/blogs/news/exclusive-class-60s-announced 

Thank you. Just pre ordered 60081 and 60098. When are these models due in stock?

Edited February 8 by PieGuyRob

[Roy Langridge]

1 hour ago, PieGuyRob said:

Thank you. Just pre ordered 60081 and 60098. When are these models due in stock?

The linked page at Rails states “Models expected to be released along the rest of the Class 60 range towards the end of 2024.”

 

Roy

[PieGuyRob]

5 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

The linked page at Rails states “Models expected to be released along the rest of the Class 60 range towards the end of 2024.”

 

Roy

Thank you. I have some time to save up then!

[90136]

On 20/01/2024 at 16:17, rob D2 said:

I think you are overlooking the fact , I believe they are still paying leases for 66s . The 60s cost nothing, inherited from BR. So would you rather have an asset costing , say, £25k a month ( absolute guess , I have no idea on train lease costs ) working , or let it rot and still pay that much .

I don’t think that’s “ bean counters “ gone mad, I think it’s common sense .

I was under the impression that DB opted to buy the 66’s & 67’s at the end of their initial lease period (15years I think), so they wouldn’t have been paying lease charges for some years now. 66’s are a good general purpose machine, the 60’s more specialised for traffic types. That said, back when I was based in the midlands, we would always request a 60 over 66 on Autohopper duties. 
 

Anyhow, just put in an order for 60081, I had been resisting but finally gave it! If it is anything like the 56’s we are in for a fantastic model. I know it’s been mentioned previously, but I’d love to see these guys take on a 58, though it would be mighty expensive as I have built up a full fleet over the years! 
 

[PieGuyRob]

3 hours ago, 90136 said:

I know it’s been mentioned previously, but I’d love to see these guys take on a 58, though it would be mighty expensive as I have built up a full fleet over the years! 

 

I mentioned a class 58 along with a couple of others in the more model ideas thread. I put off buying a second hand Hornby 60081, to wait for Cavalex to announce their version. I'm glad I did now.

[90136]

48 minutes ago, PieGuyRob said:

I mentioned a class 58 along with a couple of others in the more model ideas thread. I put off buying a second hand Hornby 60081, to wait for Cavalex to announce their version. I'm glad I did now.

Knew I’d seen it somewhere. Glad to see there is a following. Always liked the 58’s, spent many a shift in them. 

[James Makin]

On 24/02/2024 at 15:15, 90136 said:

I was under the impression that DB opted to buy the 66’s & 67’s at the end of their initial lease period (15years I think)

I recall reading a feature in RAIL way back when the 66s were new which stated that they could be purchased for a nominal £1 each after the 15-year lease had expired - sounded a bargain to me 😂

[8K77]

On 24/02/2024 at 15:15, 90136 said:

I was under the impression that DB opted to buy the 66’s & 67’s at the end of their initial lease period (15years I think), so they wouldn’t have been paying lease charges for some years now. 66’s are a good general purpose machine, the 60’s more specialised for traffic types. That said, back when I was based in the midlands, we would always request a 60 over 66 on Autohopper duties. 
 

Anyhow, just put in an order for 60081, I had been resisting but finally gave it! If it is anything like the 56’s we are in for a fantastic model. I know it’s been mentioned previously, but I’d love to see these guys take on a 58, though it would be mighty expensive as I have built up a full fleet over the years! 
 

DB Cargo now own outright the class 66 & 67 fleet they purchased them back off the leasing company in 2015

[8K77]

12 hours ago, James Makin said:

I recall reading a feature in RAIL way back when the 66s were new which stated that they could be purchased for a nominal £1 each after the 15-year lease had expired - sounded a bargain to me 😂

They was not bought back for a £1 per loco I can assure you of that and spell rail backwards that tells you all you need to know about that publication. 

[rob D2]

On 24/02/2024 at 19:47, 90136 said:

Knew I’d seen it somewhere. Glad to see there is a following. Always liked the 58’s, spent many a shift in them. 

Interesting .

The Heljan / EFE 58 hung around on the shelves a lot - might be it’s a dated model  or maybe there isn’t enough following for a new super detailed one ? And I suppose cos they disappeared so long back there’s no current market .

 

Personally though , I wouldn’t mind a couple . 58020 and 040 in faded mainline were the 2 I remember seeing .

 

Anyway back to the 60 . IKB looks great - it was only a matter of time before someone did it ! Gotta watch all these pre orders though , I’m not Elon musk !

[James Makin]

1 hour ago, 8K77 said:

They was not bought back for a £1 per loco I can assure you of that and spell rail backwards that tells you all you need to know about that publication. 

 

Haha, very true! In fairness to them this piece would've been around 1997-98 so maybe plans changed, or it was just complete misinformation from the start..! 🤣 I was in my early teens reading the article so my thoughts turned to how many locos I could get with my paper round at the time - could've had a little fleet going in the back garden!

 

Going back to Cavalex Class 60s - may I humbly request Mainline Grey for consideration?

 

As a shock exposé(!) I found that Fox Transfers' Class 60 'Mainline' logos are scaled wrongly for 4mm and so it's currently impossible to produce an accurate Mainline grey class 60 without otherwise resorting to the old Hornby 'Canisp' release (which even then has logos printed in slightly the wrong place on one side) - please be our salvation chaps!

 

Cheers

James

[rob D2]

33 minutes ago, James Makin said:

 

Haha, very true! In fairness to them this piece would've been around 1997-98 so maybe plans changed, or it was just complete misinformation from the start..! 🤣 I was in my early teens reading the article so my thoughts turned to how many locos I could get with my paper round at the time - could've had a little fleet going in the back garden!

 

Going back to Cavalex Class 60s - may I humbly request Mainline Grey for consideration?

 

As a shock exposé(!) I found that Fox Transfers' Class 60 'Mainline' logos are scaled wrongly for 4mm and so it's currently impossible to produce an accurate Mainline grey class 60 without otherwise resorting to the old Hornby 'Canisp' release (which even then has logos printed in slightly the wrong place on one side) - please be our salvation chaps!

 

Cheers

James

Early teens ? Do your time lad ..😁

Thats a good call - I’d expect transrail, mainline and loadhaul all to appear .

 

There wasn’t that many celeb liveries on the 60s back then so I’m also expecting the British steel duo , and the corus duo ( twin pack , model ship exclusive , remortgage my house job ).

 

The dilemma I have these days is what to replace from my fleet - because I can’t afford to replace the lot 

[ERIC ALLTORQUE]

Can we get this out the way before its made,will all the functions work with a Zimo decoder........:)

[derekdoestrains]

16 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said:

Can we get this out the way before its made,will all the functions work with a Zimo decoder........:)

Only on days not ending in y…

[96701]

24 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said:

Can we get this out the way before its made,will all the functions work with a Zimo decoder........:)

You need to sit quietly on the naughty step and think about what you wrote.

[PieGuyRob]

2 hours ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said:

Can we get this out the way before its made,will all the functions work with a Zimo decoder........:)

Makes you wonder once the class 60 is delivered, will we go through the same as the class 56 thread has just gone through?

 

Don't think I could cope with reading all that again.

[dj_crisp]

6 hours ago, PieGuyRob said:

Makes you wonder once the class 60 is delivered, will we go through the same as the class 56 thread has just gone through?

 

Don't think I could cope with reading all that again.

 

I'm hoping Cavalex will only supply them pre-fitted with ESU decoders :)  Then the zimo crew won't buy it and we can all enjoy the peace and quiet. Just imagine the fun with the extra lighting complications.

[RBE]

9 minutes ago, dj_crisp said:

 

I'm hoping Cavalex will only supply them pre-fitted with ESU decoders :)  Then the zimo crew won't buy it and we can all enjoy the peace and quiet. Just imagine the fun with the extra lighting complications.

There are certainly a lot more lighting configurations on the class 60.