RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted February 27, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2023 How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, melmerby said: No lettuces in 2 Aldis in different towns or an Asda last week, same with individual sweet peppers. Broccoli was also missing at Asda but Aldi did have some. Frozen sprouts (Yuk! but the missus likes them🙂) also missing and Sainsbury's were also devoid of them. (Why?) There are definitely shortages of certain things in south Brum and Worcestershire. I've no doubt that the reported supply difficulties and issues are true, but it hasn't manifested itself around this area from personal observation and from talking to friends and neighbours. On another forum, where this is being discussed, those seeing no visible evidence of empty shelves, versus those who have seen them, seems to be roughly 50/50. So maybe it's happening on a regional basis? It has been discussed and noted elsewhere, that it's the supermarkets who cost cut the most and are more aggressive in dealing with the their suppliers, who appear to be the ones most reported to have these issues. It may be that what produce that is available, they won't buy at present prices......or at least the producers won't sell at the prices being offered. It seems to be no coincidence that the anecdotal stories alway seem to mention Tesco, Asda, Aldi and Morrisons. Our local greengrocer say's he's having to pay a lot more to obtain most things, just to have stock. The prices being asked reflect it. Waitrose and M&S were well stocked last week and on Saturday morning. Just a thought.....Are they also prepared to pay more to secure supply, knowing in their market sector, they can sell the produce at the resulting higher prices? I might be way off base on that one though. . Edited February 27, 2023 by Ron Ron Ron 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Over here in rural Lincolnshire its proposed to take 10,000 acres out of food production just for solar farm sites and who knows what acreage energy crops for digesters will need. Shipping and hauliers will have a bonanza! Its a good business model for farmers, rent your ground to EDF etc; for 40yrs plus sit back and watch the ££££'s roll in. Payed by the British consumer. And talking of coal, the coke ovens at British Steel/Jingei at Scunthorpe are going to close very soon. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Bit worried, but a walk round Wigan yesterday saw every pie shop well stacked. The town's strategic pie reserve is well filled also so I am told. Brit15 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted February 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2023 A few months ago the BBC and others were running stories about a great chicken storage in Singapore. There was indeed a problem with the supply of chickens from Malaysia and wet market prices went up but supermarkets had no shortage and seemed to be as well stocked with chickens as ever while the wet markets we visit seemed to have enough. Yet I had friends in the UK telling me about how Singapore was empty of chickens. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted February 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2023 Time for Woolton pie https://savortheflavour.com/woolton-pie/ I think we might add gravy and meat... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheQ said: Time for Woolton pie https://savortheflavour.com/woolton-pie/ I think we might add gravy and meat... Somewhere I have a genuine Ministry of Food recipe booklet, with the instructions for constructing a Woolton Pie. Tried it once. It was very nice in a vegitarianny sort of way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 10 hours ago, APOLLO said: Bit worried, but a walk round Wigan yesterday saw every pie shop well stacked. That's a relief to know. But pray tell - can you still get a good pie barm in Wiggin Wigan\? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, spikey said: That's a relief to know. But pray tell - can you still get a good pie barm in Wiggin Wigan\? Saddens me to say this but most of the superb family run bakeries / shops have long gone, just a couple left and yes they are good. The big (well big round the NW) chain bakeries are just not the same, very bland. Greggs ? - No thanks, I prefer one of these. New to pie barms ? - All is revealed. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/09/pie-barm-twitter-wigan-kebab Brit15 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 2, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 2, 2023 Another week on and things seem to have improved. Managed to get a large Spanish lettuce (they had a veritable mound of them) & a Red pepper (bit low on these) at Aldi and some frozen sprouts at Sainsbugs, where there were also plenty to be had.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 4 hours ago, melmerby said: Another week on and things seem to have improved. Managed to get a large Spanish lettuce (they had a veritable mound of them) & a Red pepper (bit low on these) at Aldi and some frozen sprouts at Sainsbugs, where there were also plenty to be had.. There’s always a downside! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kylestrome Posted March 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2023 Is the latest MRJ on the shelves yet? Oh sorry, wrong thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted March 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 27/02/2023 at 21:48, Mike 84C said: Over here in rural Lincolnshire its proposed to take 10,000 acres out of food production just for solar farm sites Utter madness in a country that can't even feed itself, even if such vast-scale industrialisation and development doesn't bother people (it should, although huge monoculture intensive agriculture isn't great either). If we're going to use a lot of solar power then at least make use of all the ghastly tin shed distribution centres and so on that have blighted the place in the last couple of decades. 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted March 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Reorte said: Utter madness in a country that can't even feed itself, even if such vast-scale industrialisation and development doesn't bother people (it should, although huge monoculture intensive agriculture isn't great either). If we're going to use a lot of solar power then at least make use of all the ghastly tin shed distribution centres and so on that have blighted the place in the last couple of decades. If only the UK was a part of a common market of countries that could help with that, Oh wait... 😆 Edited March 3, 2023 by OnTheBranchline 6 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 On 27/02/2023 at 19:55, Night Train said: If you dont eat your meat, you cant have any pudding. That sounds like another brick in the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Who do you think you are kidding Mr Sunak… 1 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted March 3, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 3, 2023 Full shelves with plenty of packs of Moroccan tomatoes in several sizes, in our local Morrisons this morning. Yet the lady on the checkout says they are still being told to ration them to two packs per customer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 hours ago, cessna152towser said: Full shelves with plenty of packs of Moroccan tomatoes in several sizes, in our local Morrisons this morning. Yet the lady on the checkout says they are still being told to ration them to two packs per customer. Cos some people panic buy, the supermarkets have perhaps finally learnt from the great loo roll shortage of 2020. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Night Train said: Who do you think you are kidding Mr Sunak… Where’s the Prosecco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2023 16 hours ago, OnTheBranchline said: If only the UK was a part of a common market of countries that could help with that, Oh wait... 😆 Not a good idea to try to go political, and it doesn't change my opinion anyway. A country should be able to be self-sufficient in food (and without resorting to rather damaging intensive agriculture), and one that's not is fundamentally broken. Trade is still good for the sake of variety, being able to be self-sufficient doesn't mean that you don't export some of it and import other stuff for variety, but that you're not dependent on that for your very existance. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, Reorte said: A country should be able to be self-sufficient in food (and without resorting to rather damaging intensive agriculture), and one that's not is fundamentally broken. Trade is still good for the sake of variety, being able to be self-sufficient doesn't mean that you don't export some of it and import other stuff for variety, but that you're not dependent on that for your very existance. And the last time the UK was self-sufficient in food was when exactly? Certainly not since the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846. 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 35 minutes ago, melmoth said: And the last time the UK was self-sufficient in food was when exactly? Certainly not since the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846. But when I joined Min of Ag in 1974 there was a national policy aim to increase self-sufficiency by 1% per year. And year on year this was achieved. I'm not saying this was down to the civil service, but we did have a national advisory service giving advice freely to the farming and horticultural community. And it worked. In those days communication was by a weekly newsletter and each year we were told how the 1% had been achieved and exceeded. Change of government and sometime in the 1980s this was abandoned as an aim, and the advice was to be paid for and then privatised. Yes political, food in this country is political. Paul 3 1 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2023 There's a global event which has unfolded over the last year which reminds us that what really matters in terms of national resources is access to sufficient food, energy and the industrial wherewithal to produce what you need (need, not want). How do you really sanction a country which not only has all the food, energy and raw materials it needs, but which is essential to half the global economy to export their surplus? In that context, it's a fair point that food production should be a priority for any country. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold melmoth Posted March 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2023 More on UK food self sufficiency here: https://www.agr.kyushu-u.ac.jp/foodsci/4_paper_Colman.pdf @hmrspaul 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, melmoth said: More on UK food self sufficiency here: https://www.agr.kyushu-u.ac.jp/foodsci/4_paper_Colman.pdf @hmrspaul Ta for that. What exactly is that site (i.e. how authoritative on a scale of 0 -10) and who's this Colman chappie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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