Torpedo Molten Ore Wagon

[Hilux5972]

Haven’t seen this anywhere on the forum yet but they have just shown a weathered version. Looks amazing. 

[Bluebell Model Railway]

29 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

Haven’t seen this anywhere on the forum yet but they have just shown a weathered version. Looks amazing. 

There is also a video to accompany the image of it rotating, on DCC sort of anyway...

[adb968008]

Ive been getting very Americanised “shopping channel” style emails tellling me how urgent I must buy these, at a better price, with time limited deadlines and exclusive access before they go on retail sale.

 

However they are listed on the website easily enough.

 

Starting from £160 or £180 notes depending on the day.

 

interesting wagon, but just a bit too niche for the price.

 

https://www.krmodels.net/product/torpedo-molten-iron-ore-wagon/

 

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by adb968008

[Darius43]

Whilst the wagon is interesting and has some nice DCC features, I don’t plan to model a steelworks so I won’t be buying one.  The first person “Hey Darius” emails don’t work on me either…

 

Cheers

 

Darius

[micklner]

Just had my 3rd chaser on this. How may people model Steel Works??,  a very bizarre choice for r.t.r.

 

 

edit

 

Ohh !! I forgot the bit about long time supporter on the email . Really?? I have never bought any of their products, zero interest in anything they have offered so far. 

Edited March 3, 2023 by micklner

[cctransuk]

14 minutes ago, micklner said:

Just had my 3rd chaser on this. How may people model Steel Works??,  a very bizarre choice for r.t.r.

 

Exactly my reaction, too!

 

I see that they have deployed Jenny Emily - who is NOT a KRM employee - to gush over this model in order to shift it.

 

There is niche - and then there is just plain, off-the-scale odd?!?

 

Look out for shelf-clearing bargains.

 

CJI.

[cctransuk]

3 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

Exactly my reaction, too!

 

I see that they have deployed Jenny Emily - who is NOT a KRM employee - to gush over this model in order to shift it.

 

There is niche - and then there is just plain, off-the-scale odd?!?

 

Look out for shelf-clearing bargains.

 

CJI.

 

Correction - just received yet another chaser from - this time - 'Sarah'!

 

Apparently, I am "one of their earliest supporters, dating all the way back to the GT3 launch in 2018"! (In fact, I didn't buy GT3, and my 'Fell' was returned for a refund, on the grounds that the model bore no resemblance to the prototype at any point in its history)!

 

Methinks desperation is setting in.

 

CJI.

[jjb1970]

In fairness, it looks pretty good, the weathering is excellent. Very niche and not a model that I'd buy, but for what it is it does look very good.

[adb968008]

Me too..

 

3rd one…

 

its putting the Chimp into Guerilla marketing.

 

 

 

 

Yeeee Haaw, howdy partners.

 

lets saddle em up and whoop some ere ores boyz….

 

its a real hum dinger of a sweeeeeet deal y’all.

have a nice day.

 

Time to eat some grits with a biscuit.

 

ps.. if anyone does want one, with a discount, this is the link..

 

https://www.krmodels.net/product/torpedo-molten-iron-ore-wagon/?utm_source=all_customers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_3

 

the url is very honest..  All Customers, Email 3…

 

(I’ll resist the urge to put it into the bargains thread).

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by adb968008

[Michael Hodgson]

The price is fair for what it is.  But I expect it will be remaindered off for even less.

If I were modelling a steelworks, I'd probably also want a number of other highly specialist wagon types that aren't available RTR.

[adb968008]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

The price is fair for what it is.  But I expect it will be remaindered off for even less.

If I were modelling a steelworks, I'd probably also want a number of other highly specialist wagon types that aren't available RTR.

Wasn't there a layout a few years ago that modelled an oil refinery or steel works or someother heavy industry  ? But ended up getting served with legal paperwork and forced to change the layout ?

 

 

[Bucoops]

41 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Me too..

 

3rd one…

 

its putting the Chimp into Guerilla marketing.

 

 

 

 

Yeeee Haaw

 

lets saddle em up and whoop some ere ores boyz….

 

its a real hum dinger of a sweeeeeet deal y’all.

have a nice day.

 

Time to eat some grits with a biscuit.

 

ps.. if anyone does want one, with a discount, this is the link..

 

https://www.krmodels.net/product/torpedo-molten-iron-ore-wagon/?utm_source=all_customers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_3

 

the url is very honest..  All Customers, Email 3…

 

(I’ll resist the urge to put it into the bargains thread).

 

 

Cringe!

[The Stationmaster]

52 minutes ago, jjb1970 said:

In fairness, it looks pretty good, the weathering is excellent. Very niche and not a model that I'd buy, but for what it is it does look very good.

Quite agreeJJB but the key point is  - as already said - how many folk model steelworks?  Apart from the display case types the market for one of these is extremely limited unless the train set folk go fo one 'because it's so different- (but could they afford one?).   On my view it is a niche too far but I have to admit some pretty unusual niche items have found a market in past years so I might be wrong.  However what appears to be some sort of sales push mentioned above in this thread does tend to hint that these might not be adding to the ranks of KR's pre-orders.

 

27 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Wasn't there a layout a few years ago that modelled an oil refinery or steel works or someother heavy industry  ? But ended up getting served with legal paperwork and forced to change the layout ?

 

 

Sort of - the layout builder was asked by the owners of  the plant not to present it asa model of their establishment (it was a chemical works and a very nice piece of modelling).

 

PS As for their 'marketing emails' if a company sent me anything like that I'd  be seriously worroied about exactly what I was dealing with - absolutely barmy.

Edited March 3, 2023 by The Stationmaster

[Michael Hodgson]

24 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Wasn't there a layout a few years ago that modelled an oil refinery or steel works or someother heavy industry  ? But ended up getting served with legal paperwork and forced to change the layout ?

 

 

Not heard of it.   I'd be surprised if the layout of a steelworks is a state secret, though that might apply to a nuclear estanlishment, and MoD establshments weren't shown in detail on OS maps, but even that became somewhat pointless when satellite photography became the norm. The steel company might have intellectual property rights over company logos/loco livery I suppose

[Michael Hodgson]

4 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

 

Sort of - the layout builder was asked by the owners of  the plant not to present it asa model of their establishment (it was a chemical works and a very nice piece of modelling).

On what legal grounds?  If I were to build a model of your house without permission, would that infringe your rights?

Network Rail can stop me climbing the Forth Bridge armed with a camera and tape measure, but do they have the right to prevent me building a model of it based on a few photos?

[hmrspaul]

2 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Not heard of it.   I'd be surprised if the layout of a steelworks is a state secret, though that might apply to a nuclear estanlishment, and MoD establshments weren't shown in detail on OS maps, but even that became somewhat pointless when satellite photography became the norm. The steel company might have intellectual property rights over company logos/loco livery I suppose

Steelworks could be very protective. I had an unpleasant run in with a security guard at Scunthorpe when photographing BR Coke wagons through the fence - managed to save the film and was rather pleased when I had one published in MRC a few years later. Although Scunthorpe had a conservation organisation and rail tours around the site they still tried to say no photographs to be published. 

 

When we had an official visit to UES Stocksbridge in 1994 we were not permitted to take photographs of several buildings because they were making special metals for NASA or USAF. I have no idea what you could learn by viewing an elderly building. 

 

So they can be touchy.

 

Paul

PS here is no. 59 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/e6e3e6152 and lots of others. I'm not in the market as they haven't reproduced the heat that comes off of these as the brake van trip passes them - very pleasant as, even in June, it can be very cold out there. 🥵

Edited March 3, 2023 by hmrspaul

[jjb1970]

1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

On what legal grounds?  If I were to build a model of your house without permission, would that infringe your rights?

Network Rail can stop me climbing the Forth Bridge armed with a camera and tape measure, but do they have the right to prevent me building a model of it based on a few photos?

 

Big companies have a huge advantage. If you tell them to bog off, you might never hear from them again (probably wouldn't), but if they do put their lawyers on the case then any potential costs will be a rounding error (if that) in their accounts whereas it could ruin a private individual. Companies know that and try it all the time, usually it's an empty threat which works more often than not but they do sometimes act on their threats. The English legal system is notorious (and has a dreadful reputation) for allowing those with deep pockets to use civil law to their advantage.

[Pete the Elaner]

1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Not heard of it.   I'd be surprised if the layout of a steelworks is a state secret, though that might apply to a nuclear estanlishment, and MoD establshments weren't shown in detail on OS maps, but even that became somewhat pointless when satellite photography became the norm. The steel company might have intellectual property rights over company logos/loco livery I suppose

 

I had a tour around Scunthorpe steelworks in 2021 where these wagons run. Photos were welcome. It would therefore seem very odd if they objected to someone modelling part of it.

[hmrspaul]

31 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

I had a tour around Scunthorpe steelworks in 2021 where these wagons run. Photos were welcome. It would therefore seem very odd if they objected to someone modelling part of it.

That is several owners later! 

 

Paul

[Michael Hodgson]

53 minutes ago, jjb1970 said:

 

Big companies have a huge advantage. If you tell them to bog off, you might never hear from them again (probably wouldn't), but if they do put their lawyers on the case then any potential costs will be a rounding error (if that) in their accounts whereas it could ruin a private individual. Companies know that and try it all the time, usually it's an empty threat which works more often than not but they do sometimes act on their threats. The English legal system is notorious (and has a dreadful reputation) for allowing those with deep pockets to use civil law to their advantage.

Indeed, and the American legal system even more so.

[Fat Controller]

2 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Not heard of it.   I'd be surprised if the layout of a steelworks is a state secret, though that might apply to a nuclear estanlishment, and MoD establshments weren't shown in detail on OS maps, but even that became somewhat pointless when satellite photography became the norm. The steel company might have intellectual property rights over company logos/loco livery I suppose

I believe it was the layout of a (sometime) member of this group; the layout was based on a chemical plant in Cadoxton, South Wales, featuring an imaginative use of 'repurposed' household items. The builder's brother sometimes posts on here.

 

[adb968008]

What I just noticed was the advert has revealed their sales numbers..

 

387

 

Thats er.. not sounding like a lot, if the advert is correct, unless customers are buying trainloads of them ?

Edited March 3, 2023 by adb968008

[The Stationmaster]

2 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

On what legal grounds?  If I were to build a model of your house without permission, would that infringe your rights?

Network Rail can stop me climbing the Forth Bridge armed with a camera and tape measure, but do they have the right to prevent me building a model of it based on a few photos?

For all I know their objection might just have been because their name appeared on signage on his model in the same place as u it appeared on the real thing.  i think he basically changed the identity of the model and the problem went away.

 

In some respects i wouldn't be surprised if that US owned company was a bit sensitive,  And having seen some of the local authority's  evacuation plans in the event of certain types of leak at the plant I vcan understand their possible sensitivity.   And it used to handle (and might still do for all I know) handle one of the most dangerous of all the dangerous goods passing by rail in Britain  so that too might have made them a bit more sensitive when it came to a model of the place.

 

The layout appeared on RMweb under its revised name.

[The Stationmaster]

5 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

What I just noticed was the advert has revealed their sales numbers..

 

387

 

Thats er.. not sounding like a lot, if the advert is correct, unless customers are buying trainloads of them ?

If that number is correct  that is abysmal even for an expensive wagon.  A and especially so when it includes the added design and assembly cost  complexity of DCC etc.  Little wonder they are trying to shift more and there'll no doubt be a minimum factory order of at least 500

[Pteremy]

On a point of detail the text suggests it is 387 customers.