Torpedo Molten Ore Wagon

[wasabi]

That number of customers implies to me that steelworks layouts are either under-represented on here or most models are going to collectors.  Getting that number of axles just on the track seems challenging but how do they perform? 

 

They are being sold in pairs according to the website which makes the price not unreasonable but there is no website mention of how to represent the molten ore if the buyer wants to actually use the unloading function.   For a working train barrier (or 'spacer') vehicles would be needed and perhaps also an escort coach (often seen in photos but was that because most photos are of test trains)?

 

Having said that, I would  consider buying one but only in N.

 

[IPW] 

[jjb1970]

Again, in fairness to KR, they are doing the Hunslet Bo-Bo diesel locomotive, so there will be a locomotive for these wagons. And as Wasabi highlights, given that they're being sold in pairs the price isn't as high as it first appears. Still not my thing, but if people like industrial subjects then this must be a great development.

[adb968008]

On 03/03/2023 at 15:00, wasabi said:

That number of customers implies to me that steelworks layouts are either under-represented on here or most models are going to collectors.  Getting that number of axles just on the track seems challenging but how do they perform? 

 

They are being sold in pairs according to the website which makes the price not unreasonable but there is no website mention of how to represent the molten ore if the buyer wants to actually use the unloading function.   For a working train barrier (or 'spacer') vehicles would be needed and perhaps also an escort coach (often seen in photos but was that because most photos are of test trains)?

 

Having said that, I would  consider buying one but only in N.

 

[IPW] 

These things are way out of gauge for UK rails, they will only work within the confines of the steel works complex.

 

For molten ore, my little one maybe able to help here..

 

She loves making slime, out of “ Elmers” activator and pva glue with some gold / orange acrylic paint and a bit watered down I think you could get close…

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by adb968008

[hmrspaul]

3 hours ago, jjb1970 said:

Again, in fairness to KR, they are doing the Hunslet Bo-Bo diesel locomotive, so there will be a locomotive for these wagons. And as Wasabi highlights, given that they're being sold in pairs the price isn't as high as it first appears. Still not my thing, but if people like industrial subjects then this must be a great development.

BSC also had plenty of Janus, and that has been well modelled so is available https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/e64e7d027

 

Plenty of ideas for accompanying wagons in my collection, some are relatively simple internal users, others are ex mainline of types available in 4mm - including some not so accurately modelled so disguising as IU may be more suitable use. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus   https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpesteel

 

Paul

[cctransuk]

On 03/03/2023 at 20:12, cctransuk said:

 

Correction - just received yet another chaser .....

 

..... and another - this is getting tedious, and definitely suggests that income is required in order to release the models from China!

 

CJI.

[Peter Eaton]

Just realised for the Emails, (yes I just received one) [the you tube influencer has no effect!)] that the wagons are in pairs.singular  in a plastic bag would make for a better deal ?

Are these the wagons that ran over BR at Consett ?

Born in Ilkeston, stanton & staveley iron works in my blood I do have a feel for these!

Of note, a load for these wagons one could melt down all your old triang models...

thanks, Peter

[The Stationmaster]

1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

..... and another - this is getting tedious, and definitely suggests that income is required in order to release the models from China!

 

CJI.

A question comes to mind.  What do they think you are going to do with these wagons as they keep on trying to get you to buy?

[Darius43]

1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

..... and another - this is getting tedious, and definitely suggests that income is required in order to release the models from China!

 

CJI.

 

These KR emails are getting a bit Del Boy-ish.

This time next year, Rodney…

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Edited March 5, 2023 by Darius43

[Norwenglish]

Certainly getting very tired of these emails, especially with there being so little updates on the projects that I've actually signed up for (Bellerophon and the 4DD).

[micklner]

Number 4 today , rubbish nonsense about£8 , reads as very desperate.

 

 

Unsubscribed.

[Bluebell Model Railway]

2 hours ago, Norwenglish said:

Certainly getting very tired of these emails, especially with there being so little updates on the projects that I've actually signed up for (Bellerophon and the 4DD).

 Least you have a running sample of Bellerophon and 2 tools of the 4DD.... I haven't seen or heard anything apart from a vague newsletter email in December about the one I have on order 😅 last sample of Leader was March 22 at Ally Pally? Haven't heard or seen any changes being made either.

[Michael Hodgson]

2 hours ago, micklner said:

Number 4 today , rubbish nonsense about£8 , reads as very desperate.

 

 

Unsubscribed.

Definitely now in the junk mail category.

[tomparryharry]

Corr! Torpedo wagons! 

 

Will I push the boat out?

 

Err, no.....

 

[adb968008]

 

i’m not even sure what £8 a day relates to ?

£8 a day for 31 days is £248

 

This email reminds me of the kind of guff  I see on “The Apprentice”.

 

Whilst i’m at it…

Fish Fingers £2 at my Tescos, £2.50 at Waitrose

Washing machine liquid.. £6 at Tescos

Chocolate cake.. well thats £16 at Tescos, but thats me pushing the boat out.

 

i’d unsubscribe but its entertaining,

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2023 by adb968008

[Alex TM]

On 03/03/2023 at 13:24, The Stationmaster said:

For all I know their objection might just have been because their name appeared on signage on his model in the same place as u it appeared on the real thing.  i think he basically changed the identity of the model and the problem went away.

I believe that @Stationmaster has hit the proverbial nail on the head.  I am aware of a couple of instances of UK companies 'asking' individuals to remove a model or display from public show as it was done without permission to use a trademarked name or copyright logo.  On one occasion it was because the company believed that the model was of insufficient quality and detracted from their public image.

 

A late friend, hearing of one such incident, wrote to the company for permission to use thier logo; their response was to ask to see a sample of his modelling.  He duly obliged and was shocked to receive an order from them for a number of items!

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[johndon]

8 hours ago, Peter Eaton said:

Just realised for the Emails, (yes I just received one) [the you tube influencer has no effect!)] that the wagons are in pairs.singular  in a plastic bag would make for a better deal ?

Are these the wagons that ran over BR at Consett ?

Born in Ilkeston, stanton & staveley iron works in my blood I do have a feel for these!

Of note, a load for these wagons one could melt down all your old triang models...

thanks, Peter

They aren’t the same ones that ran from Redcar to Consett which were larger. A shame as I’d definitely have bought some for South Pelaw. 

[jjb1970]

Oh dear........

 

KR make what appears to be a very good model of a niche prototype at a price which is really rather attractive for those who want it. Finally giving me reason to feel positive about them. However, the marketing guff is embarrassing, and has more than a whiff of desperation. I get these sort of mails all the time from event organizers, IT providers, recruiters and such like, any that break through the spam filter go straight to recycling. I only need to see the first sentence in the preview line of the in-box 'hey John, did you get my last email......' to send it to recycling. To see a model train company using the same tactic is sad really.

[No Decorum]

I can see the point of an e-mail to alert us to an offer and perhaps a second to remind us shortly before the offer expires but are we any more likely to buy something because we are repeatedly pestered? It’s very off-putting and negates the joined-up thinking of loco and wagons which belong together. Less time on the keyboard and more at the drawing board is indicated.

[adb968008]

Theres a video of it rotating on facebook/youtube

 

 

 

My thoughts are …

 

1. Does the lid of the torpedo come off ?

 

(Otherwise why rotate it if the liquid doesn't come out) ?

 

2. When it is rotated, whats the two holes either end of the wagon ?

Are these screw holes, holding it together - if so they are a bit unsightly !

 

 

 

[The Stationmaster]

On 06/03/2023 at 09:51, adb968008 said:

Theres a video of it rotating on facebook/youtube

 

 

 

My thoughts are …

 

1. Does the lid of the torpedo come off ?

 

(Otherwise why rotate it if the liquid doesn't come out) ?

 

2. When it is rotated, whats the two holes either end of the wagon ?

Are these screw holes, holding it together - if so they are a bit unsightly !

 

 

 

Probably not bad for £8 (the £8 must relate to something so maybe that is the special offer?).  Anyway as I'm in the fortunate position of not being bombarded with this semi-literate nonsense through my email system thanks to adb and others for posting it all for our amusement.  At least it puts 'detail, detail, detail' in the shade when it comes to marketing speak although it falls well short of 'let's get 'em in' (which it apparently seems not to be doing)..

 

It is of course not the first torpedo wagon to be offered on the British market but previous models have been imports and don't - I think - rotate.  Sot I'm pretty sure that this is the first r-t-r model of a British outline torpedo wagon although I would hardly call it an 'innovation' of anything because all it amounts to is a model of something a bit different and of very limited use to most modellers; but everyone to their own views on that of course.

 

Maybe a ladle wagon might have been a better idea

Edited March 7, 2023 by The Stationmaster
Correct typo in spacing.

[Bucoops]

25 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Probably not bad for £8 (the £8 must relate to something so maybe that is the special offer?).  Anyway as I'm in the fortunate position of not being bombarded with this semi-literate nonsense through my email system thanks to adb and others for posting it all for our amusement.  At least it puts 'detail, detail, detail' in the shade when it comes to marketing speak although it falls well short of 'let's get 'em in' (which it apparently seems not to be doing)..

 

It is of course not the first torpedo wagon to be offered on the British market but previous models have been imports and don't - I think - rotate.  Sot I'm pretty sure that this is the first r-t-r model of a British outline torpedo wagon although I would hardly call it an 'innovation' of anything because all it amounts to is a model of something a bit different and of very limited use to most modellers; but everyone to their own views on that of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

and mahbea. ladle wagon might have been a better idea

 

I'm not sure rotating things powered by a motor are anything new on a model railway item.

 

The difference with these is the rotating things don't touch the rails.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Bucoops

[adb968008]

Weve had a Torpedo before, Lima made it in HO (to fit the gauge) and sold it in the UK market. It doesnt rotate, and its dated.

 

I guess a rotating barrel is akin to raising a pantograph. But if the lid of the torpedo is moulded shut, it may look a little silly just spinning it upside down.

[No Decorum]

1 hour ago, Bucoops said:

 

I'm not sure rotating things powered by a motor are anything new on a model railway item.

 

The difference with these is the rotating things don't touch the rails.

They aren’t the first rotating things not to touch the rails. I’m a big FAN of the other sort. 😇

[jjb1970]

I'm not really into all the new generation working functionality of models. This is a personal view, and I understand many others differ and love it all, but I find digital sound and smoke effects unconvincing, and the attraction of things like working fans and raising/lowering pantographs wears off very quickly. If people like it then great, but personal I just want nicely done analogue models. This isn't a KR thing, it applies across the board to all manufacturers. If I was interested in these torpedoes (and to reiterate, I do think they look very nice) I'd rather save a few pennies and have a vanilla wagon with no DCC rotating drum or lighting effect or anything. But that's just me.

[Colin_McLeod]

On 03/03/2023 at 13:19, adb968008 said:

What I just noticed was the advert has revealed their sales numbers..

 

387

 

Thats er.. not sounding like a lot, if the advert is correct, unless customers are buying trainloads of them ?

 

If that's all that sold I see a big problem, especially if this quote from the first e mail is to be taken literally:

 

 

After a year-long "grind" of testing different designs and materials and spending 100s of thousands of pounds in engineering and development, we are proud to unveil the newest addition to our roster: The Scunthorpe Steelworks Torpedo Wagon

 

I only hope the "100s of thousands of pounds" came from KR Models' own funds and not from pre payments of any other model.