RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 The poll. This one seems to have got diverted into a discussion centred on tribal loyalties. I think in the end there are just too many awful examples to choose from. Some notable ones were offered, but only one got more than one vote, and even that got only two. Pretty Polly it is then. Totally inappropriate for an express passenger locomotive. I've always thought though that a member of the public who was knowlegeable about neither racehorses or admirals , and there would be plenty, would be more than slightly puzzled on seeing Sandwich. What shall we do today? Good suggestion from Jamie, so let's look for the missing links in the ranks of preserved locomotives. What's your stand out loco or class that all got swept away in the haste to eradicate steam, which was of such significance that one or more should have been saved? Plenty to choose from again, I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2020 For this poll, there are many notable LNER examples, and I’ll go with the K3. A missing link if ever there was one, they did good work on both passenger and freight trains despite rough riding. Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 There are too many to chose from but I am torn between a Claughton and a Thompson A2/3. Both locomotives could be regarded as a “near miss”, but on balance I’ll go for the Thompson A2/3 as they were immensely strong locomotives capable of hauling the fastest expresses but they had too many flaws. Sandra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, great northern said: the missing links in the ranks of preserved locomotives. A5 A8 V4 Sorry, couldn't bear to drop any of those. Consider them 1/3 of a vote each, and use it as a tie-breaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 Missing link? It has to be 10000, not the A4 with an extra wheel but the really important 10000, the LMS one with the English Electric diesel engine. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 G'Day Folks Three loco's from me, as well, A J6, a V1/V3 and a C12, all would have been perfect on a preserved railway. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 It took me a while to decide, but I’ll go for a B16; I don’t mind which variant. They were more than capable mixed traffic engines and would be well suited to a lot of preserved lines and possibly mainline rail tours as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted June 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 Tea consumed, and has warmed me up a bit, but still needed to put a third layer on. Far too dark to consider photography, so I'll carry on reorganising cassettes. The Hitchin pick up goods is just starting its long journey. 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodcock29 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 For once I'll ignore my favourites on the GN and GC and nominate the D16/3. Andrew 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 The Brighton K Class Moguls. One was earmarked for the Bluebell but was cut up "by mistake". 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parracombe Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I would nominate C11 Midlothian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 60027Merlin Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 Another vote for the C11 NBR Atlantic Midlothian. The outbreak of the 2nd. World War put paid to its preservation as it ended up in a great many new aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I vote for NBR Atlantic too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 I vote for Fowler's original Patriot - and of course, someone agrees because of 'The Unknown Soldier'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 There are plenty of classes of loco, steam, diesel and electric, that it would be nice to have preserved. Some of the very early locos, or the heyday of the broad gauge, and many others would be nice to see the originals still, especially in working order. I think my vote must go to the leader class from Bulleid. An interesting idea that, with more development, could have been successful. As it was, it appears to have hardly been given a chance. Lloyd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted June 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, FarrMan said: There are plenty of classes of loco, steam, diesel and electric, that it would be nice to have preserved. Some of the very early locos, or the heyday of the broad gauge, and many others would be nice to see the originals still, especially in working order. I think my vote must go to the leader class from Bulleid. An interesting idea that, with more development, could have been successful. As it was, it appears to have hardly been given a chance. Lloyd Wasn't it cooking too many firemen though? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, great northern said: Wasn't it cooking too many firemen though? Gilbert True, that that was why it was called the Chinese laundry, but had the casing been removed in that area, and perhaps some enlargement, with some serious development it might have been made to work. How many ideas work straight off the drawing board? Lloyd 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Popular Post great northern Posted June 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2020 Just returned from a rather wet walk. A horrid day. Never mind, I have my cuppa by my side, and it is dry in here. At PN, we have another knight. He is waiting for the arrival of the 1100 Glasgow. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simontaylor484 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 How about 10000 Prototype leading to development of class 40 45 46 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted June 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 10, 2020 As a young man, my senior engineering manager was a Michael Lockhart - a Doncaster Premium Apprentice in the 1930s before war service running Army trains across the Middle East and Europe and then following OVS Bulleid to Brighton and getting involved with development and testing of the Leader. From Michael I learned to recognise that there were too many different experiments in the one locomotive and a lot didn't work as the materials science and precision machining were not sufficiently developed to support the ideas. So for me the Leader may have been a brave last fling, but it didn't really LEAD anywhere. Perhaps the real "Missing link" in preservation was actually never built - the proposed Riddles Class 8 MT 2-8-2? Coming back to the real locos that failed to be preserved, the two I would most like to have seen are: - Metropolitan Railway Class H 4-4-4T. - LNER "Gresley" P1 2-8-2. The locos that most standard gauge Preservation railways should concentrate on - for reasons of economy in operation and maintenance is the BR Class 4 2-6-4T. Just make sure they are all painted in different colours to make sure the paying passengers recognise that the railway has more than one engine! I will now retire with tin-hat on! Regards Chris H 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 The one I'd most like to see would be a Claud (of any description, but a D16/3 would make most sense). From a preserved railway perspective, a K3 would be more useful, though. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarrMan Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Metropolitan H said: As a young man, my senior engineering manager was a Michael Lockhart - a Doncaster Premium Apprentice in the 1930s before war service running Army trains across the Middle East and Europe and then following OVS Bulleid to Brighton and getting involved with development and testing of the Leader. From Michael I learned to recognise that there were too many different experiments in the one locomotive and a lot didn't work as the materials science and precision machining were not sufficiently developed to support the ideas. So for me the Leader may have been a brave last fling, but it didn't really LEAD anywhere. Perhaps the real "Missing link" in preservation was actually never built - the proposed Riddles Class 8 MT 2-8-2? Coming back to the real locos that failed to be preserved, the two I would most like to have seen are: - Metropolitan Railway Class H 4-4-4T. - LNER "Gresley" P1 2-8-2. The locos that most standard gauge Preservation railways should concentrate on - for reasons of economy in operation and maintenance is the BR Class 4 2-6-4T. Just make sure they are all painted in different colours to make sure the paying passengers recognise that the railway has more than one engine! I will now retire with tin-hat on! Regards Chris H Chris Very interesting. i agree that there were too many innovations for one project, but what interesting innovations. In some ways ahead of its time, but if some of those innovations could be made to work! Lloyd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Metropolitan H said: As a young man, my senior engineering manager was a Michael Lockhart - a Doncaster Premium Apprentice in the 1930s before war service running Army trains across the Middle East and Europe and then following OVS Bulleid to Brighton and getting involved with development and testing of the Leader. From Michael I learned to recognise that there were too many different experiments in the one locomotive and a lot didn't work as the materials science and precision machining were not sufficiently developed to support the ideas. So for me the Leader may have been a brave last fling, but it didn't really LEAD anywhere. Perhaps the real "Missing link" in preservation was actually never built - the proposed Riddles Class 8 MT 2-8-2? Coming back to the real locos that failed to be preserved, the two I would most like to have seen are: - Metropolitan Railway Class H 4-4-4T. - LNER "Gresley" P1 2-8-2. The locos that most standard gauge Preservation railways should concentrate on - for reasons of economy in operation and maintenance is the BR Class 4 2-6-4T. Just make sure they are all painted in different colours to make sure the paying passengers recognise that the railway has more than one engine! I will now retire with tin-hat on! Regards Chris H P1 was an interesting beast - massively over powered with its boosters working - I believe so much so that they couldn't find enough weight for it to haul and still stop in safety! I suspect you've seen this interesting model floating around RM Web? Edited June 10, 2020 by bigwordsmith 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Definitely a Claud, what's even more annoying is how close one came to being preserved, a real missed opportunity. Martyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37Oban Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 After due thought the one that got away was the Highland Railway Small Ben "Ben Alder". Roja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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