Peterborough North

[great northern]

60039 at rest, and our recording of Friday happenings is nearly over. However, The A3 isn't going to shunt its own stock, it has gone off to New England. So we have a job for the C12, which has crossed to the Down side, buffered up to the five set, reversed past the crossover, and is now seen coming back onto the Up main, whence it will shortly put the coaches into a carriage siding, to await their next duty early on Saturday morning.

 

[Tony Wright]

There was some discussion on here quite recently about the presence of some ex-SR vans which might have worked through Peterborough North. 

 

The following might be of interest............

 

They were all taken at or near Werrington Junction and, I believe, are East Lincs services.

 

 

An ex-SR four-wheeler.

 

 

An ex-SR bogie van.

 

 

And, of perhaps further interest, an ex-GWR 'Fruit D'. 

 

The passenger accommodation appears to be BSK/SK (artic twins)/CK/SK/BSK (artic twins).

 

Please observe copyright restrictions on the above images. 

 

 

 

 

[great northern]

One of the first things the C12 has to do on this Saturday morning is to fetch the artic set it put in the siding last night, and move it to Platform 2, to form the 7.25 to KX.

But shortly before it did so, our other station pilot was shunting a van at Platform 3.

 

[great northern]

15 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

There was some discussion on here quite recently about the presence of some ex-SR vans which might have worked through Peterborough North. 

 

The following might be of interest............

 

They were all taken at or near Werrington Junction and, I believe, are East Lincs services.

 

 

An ex-SR four-wheeler.

 

 

An ex-SR bogie van.

 

 

And, of perhaps further interest, an ex-GWR 'Fruit D'. 

 

The passenger accommodation appears to be BSK/SK (artic twins)/CK/SK/BSK (artic twins).

 

Please observe copyright restrictions on the above images. 

 

 

 

 

Very interesting. Many thanks Tony. Taking them in turn, the first one features a loco which was a New England resident for the whole of the 50s, and is in typical New England condition. This could be either an E.Lincs service, or a Grantham local, as the steel five sets were used on both. As it is on the slow line, I suspect it may be the latter.  The second is easier, I think. 1159 was am Immingham engine from 1954 on, and has the characteristic front end treatment of that shed. That's an E.Lincs local, I would say.  The last one looks like Werrington Junction to me, with the train coming off the E.Lincs onto the main line. Looking closely at 61204 I can see that it has late crest. It was at New England until May 1957, when it was transferred to Spital Bridge. From then on, one would expect to see it on trains from East to Leicester , Rugby or Northampton, but I do wonder whether there was some interaction between the two sheds. Being as dirty as it is suggests a date later than May 57, it surely wouldn't have got into that state within a couple of months of a general overhaul, and it can't have got that crest earlier than March 57. Having said that, it is typical New England condition again. Jury out on that one, but surely E.Lincs?

 

Although the CWN shows steel sets on the PN-Grantham trains, I think this is the first time I've seen pictorial confirmation, or likely confirmation, anyway. I've not been able to get my hands on an E.Lincs CWN, so I'm very pleased to have confirmation that they were still working there. Again, photographic confirmation is rare- I've seen more pictures that weren't five sets.

 

As to the Southern vans, really just further confirmation that they were a common sight around Peterborough by this time. The GW van is indeed interesting, but the HMRS survey does show that more ex GW stock than one might have expected was to be seen.

 

I do enjoy the research and thought processes involved in identifying images like these, so thanks very much for sharing them.

[31A]

Interesting that the Southern bogie van appears to be a GBL as produced recently by Hornby, and I have read were confined to Waterloo boat trains!  It justifies my purchase of one ....

 

[great northern]

We are still looking at preparatory movements, rather than revenue earning ones. March B17 Gayton Hall is seen reversing into number one bay, ready to take over the Glasgow- Colchester.

On the Down side one of our shabbier V2s is bringing in the stock for the 7.35am Doncaster Parliamentary.

[Tony Wright]

6 hours ago, great northern said:

Very interesting. Many thanks Tony. Taking them in turn, the first one features a loco which was a New England resident for the whole of the 50s, and is in typical New England condition. This could be either an E.Lincs service, or a Grantham local, as the steel five sets were used on both. As it is on the slow line, I suspect it may be the latter.  The second is easier, I think. 1159 was am Immingham engine from 1954 on, and has the characteristic front end treatment of that shed. That's an E.Lincs local, I would say.  The last one looks like Werrington Junction to me, with the train coming off the E.Lincs onto the main line. Looking closely at 61204 I can see that it has late crest. It was at New England until May 1957, when it was transferred to Spital Bridge. From then on, one would expect to see it on trains from East to Leicester , Rugby or Northampton, but I do wonder whether there was some interaction between the two sheds. Being as dirty as it is suggests a date later than May 57, it surely wouldn't have got into that state within a couple of months of a general overhaul, and it can't have got that crest earlier than March 57. Having said that, it is typical New England condition again. Jury out on that one, but surely E.Lincs?

 

Although the CWN shows steel sets on the PN-Grantham trains, I think this is the first time I've seen pictorial confirmation, or likely confirmation, anyway. I've not been able to get my hands on an E.Lincs CWN, so I'm very pleased to have confirmation that they were still working there. Again, photographic confirmation is rare- I've seen more pictures that weren't five sets.

 

As to the Southern vans, really just further confirmation that they were a common sight around Peterborough by this time. The GW van is indeed interesting, but the HMRS survey does show that more ex GW stock than one might have expected was to be seen.

 

I do enjoy the research and thought processes involved in identifying images like these, so thanks very much for sharing them.

Good evening Gilbert,

 

Some more shots of possible interest taken at Werrington.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certainly a variety.

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions on these images.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[Tony Wright]

Good evening again Gilbert,

 

Some more at Werrington..................

 

 

Bound for the Stamford line?

 

 

And, another for ex-MR metals - a March-Leicester working? 

 

Same loco, but a different time - post-'61 judging by the electric warning flashes. 

 

Some splendid ex-LMS stock. Fancy modelling this?

 

 

And a Class F empty minerals; taking the main line to turn left at Grantham?

 

As before, copyright restrictions apply.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Edited March 25 by Tony Wright
to add something

[St Enodoc]

7 hours ago, 31A said:

Interesting that the Southern bogie van appears to be a GBL as produced recently by Hornby, and I have read were confined to Waterloo boat trains!  It justifies my purchase of one ....

 

Well, at least two made it to Cornwall. An old Tri-ang one detailed with the Roxey Mouldings kit and a recent Hornby one, unadulterated (apart from the couplings).

[Tony Wright]

Good morning Gilbert,

 

Do you run this train in your Saturday sequence?

 

 

Most shots I've found of this set show an ex-Tourist BTO (BSO by your period) as the leading vehicle; as here. 

 

I believe the headboard was yellow with red-painted letters. It's certainly something different.

 

The hut to the left appears to be clumsily made from Wills sheets and Plastikard covered in brick paper!

 

The usual copyright restrictions apply, please.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Edited March 26 by Tony Wright
to add something

[great northern]

60853 now has time for a rest, and for the crew to get some breakfast.

And then we have the first train of a long Saturday, and as on a weekday it is the Glasgow-Colchester. That filthy Gateshead A3 has the job again, but instead of returning with an express in the afternoon, today it will stay on shed all day, and return with the Down working late on. I've just checked on 60070's overhaul dates, as I wasn't so careful when Tom Wright weathered this for me twenty or so years ago. It turns out though that I did do my homework, as Gladiateur's last general was in late March 1957, so it really had planty of time to get into this condition. Next general wasn't till early March 59, nearly a full two years, and rather longer than average.

[great northern]

A more broadside on shot of 60070, just a little further on.

 

Shortly afterwards the A3 has finished its journey. This was an even shorter train on a Saturday, so it is not as far down the platform as we might expect.

[great northern]

23 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Gilbert,

 

Some more shots of possible interest taken at Werrington.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certainly a variety.

 

Please (all) observe copyright restrictions on these images.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

These are rather later, I suspect, looking at the condition of the locos. Even the Immingham locos on Class A duties are well below the usual standard. I particularly like the images of 61114 and 61144, which show I'm not the only one who fails to get lamps properly seated.

[great northern]

23 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening again Gilbert,

 

Some more at Werrington..................

 

 

Bound for the Stamford line?

 

 

And, another for ex-MR metals - a March-Leicester working? 

 

Same loco, but a different time - post-'61 judging by the electric warning flashes. 

 

Some splendid ex-LMS stock. Fancy modelling this?

 

 

And a Class F empty minerals; taking the main line to turn left at Grantham?

 

As before, copyright restrictions apply.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

I'd say the first two are definitely Leicester bound. There was an evening train which was stated in Railway Observer to be regularly double headed, and indeed was seen one on occasion triple headed!  After Spital Bridge closed, some of these duties passed to March, so I agree these are 60s images. By 1963 Britannias were being used. The minerals most likely on the way back to Colwick, I think.

[great northern]

10 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Good morning Gilbert,

 

Do you run this train in your Saturday sequence?

 

 

Most shots I've found of this set show an ex-Tourist BTO (BSO by your period) as the leading vehicle; as here. 

 

I believe the headboard was yellow with red-painted letters. It's certainly something different.

 

The hut to the left appears to be clumsily made from Wills sheets and Plastikard covered in brick paper!

 

The usual copyright restrictions apply, please.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

I run the train, though not with a Tourist BSO, and without headboard, as I can't find a source for one. As to the hut, Peter Leyland's is much more realistic. It looks to have been renovated when compared with earlier images, which probably means that it was demolished soon afterwards.

[Tony Wright]

26 minutes ago, great northern said:

I run the train, though not with a Tourist BSO, and without headboard, as I can't find a source for one. As to the hut, Peter Leyland's is much more realistic. It looks to have been renovated when compared with earlier images, which probably means that it was demolished soon afterwards.

Good evening Gilbert,

 

'and without headboard, as I can't find a source for one'

 

I'll make you one. I'll just paint 'Butlins Express' on the back of an etched nameboard. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[Tony Wright]

11 hours ago, great northern said:

60853 now has time for a rest, and for the crew to get some breakfast.

And then we have the first train of a long Saturday, and as on a weekday it is the Glasgow-Colchester. That filthy Gateshead A3 has the job again, but instead of returning with an express in the afternoon, today it will stay on shed all day, and return with the Down working late on. I've just checked on 60070's overhaul dates, as I wasn't so careful when Tom Wright weathered this for me twenty or so years ago. It turns out though that I did do my homework, as Gladiateur's last general was in late March 1957, so it really had planty of time to get into this condition. Next general wasn't till early March 59, nearly a full two years, and rather longer than average.

Good evening again Gilbert,

 

Was 60070 from 20 years ago? 

 

Of course...................

 

 

It dates from your loft-based Peterborough.

 

As does..........

 

61641 (seen back-thread), the first loco I built for you, I believe.

 

Ian Rathbone's painting is still as good as ever..................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Gilbert,

 

'and without headboard, as I can't find a source for one'

 

I'll make you one. I'll just paint 'Butlins Express' on the back of an etched nameboard. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

That's very kind of you Tony. Here's a photo. And a fireman who couldn't get the lamps on properly, or the headboard straight. Looks black on yellow to me, what do you think?

 

[great northern]

1 hour ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening again Gilbert,

 

Was 60070 from 20 years ago? 

 

Of course...................

 

 

It dates from your loft-based Peterborough.

 

As does..........

 

61641 (seen back-thread), the first loco I built for you, I believe.

 

Ian Rathbone's painting is still as good as ever..................

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Thank you again. I did like that scenic section, and have always regretted not having room for one on PN. 61641 was indeed the first, and is still very much a treasured locomotive.

[Gilwell Park]

The recent pictures of B1 have reminded me about a query I have regarding SB number plates. Several show white edging to the plate. Was this just white paint carefully applied or was there a cast lip to the plate as a guide? Was it restricted to one works or a particular period?  My SB transfer number plates all have the edging and it has been a right pain to carefully trim it off.

 

Thanks.   Roger.

[St Enodoc]

1 hour ago, great northern said:

That's very kind of you Tony. Here's a photo. And a fireman who couldn't get the lamps on properly, or the headboard straight. Looks black on yellow to me, what do you think?

 

Don't forget the apostrophe, Tony!

[great northern]

60070 has uncoupled, and will cross to the Down and to New England.

Shortly afterwards 61641 has taken its place, and will soon be on its way.

[great northern]

Next comes a Nddrie to KX Goods Class C. It has another local V2, and although it has to be routed via the Up slow, as the platform is occupied, it will be allowed to run through.

And here it is starting to move back to the Up, under clear signals, or at least it would be if they were there.

The Glasgow-Colchester will not be inconvenienced, as it will, of course be branching off at Crescent Junction, and down to East.

[great northern]

60867 swings under the bridge and away.

Gayton Hall then left, but we didn't get a shot of that. It did leave platform 2 free, so we have yet another 34E V2, which as sneaked down the engine road, backed on to the stock for the 7.25 KX, and is now bringing it into the platform.

[great northern]

Computer has been playing silly games again, I wondered why I hadn't taken a photo of the B17 leaving, and now I have found out. Apparently the thing randomly decided that 9 came after 11, and put the image right at the end of the page, where I failed to notice it. Anyway, here it is.

So there we are, now we can look again at the V2, and everything is back in correct order, until the next time this thing decides otherwise.