Peterborough North

[great northern]

Hello Gilbert

 

Thank you for yesterday. I am waiting for the nice lady in Boots to process my photographs.

It was very good to meet you Clive. Lovely few hours.

[Clive Mortimore]

Clive,

 

I also looked at the Railroad sleepers for cut and shut opportunities, particularly for the articulated twins. They’re hopelessly compromised as Hornby just seem to have squashed all the berths to get it into their standard body length. However I do intend to use a couple as donors with Mousa sides for a twin.

 

Andy

Hi Andy

 

The odd thing is the day coaches have standard sized compartments so are great for cutting and shutting as they also have the right profile. I have almost finished a non-gangway twin brake composite. I was even able to use the roofs as the length required for the 51 ft coaches is just inside the start of the dome ends.

[great northern]

Just a couple of photos to encourage you. The Gresley is cut and shut Kirk, and probably not up to your standards. The Thompson is Mousa sides which go together very well. I just wish Bill did the Thompson SLF as I’d love to add one of those to the stable. Anyone know of any source for one of those?

 

Regards

 

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Those look very nice Andy. I'm particularly taken with the Gresley, a very striking and impressive coach. I shall have to speak to Mr 31A very nicely indeed.

[great northern]

Something very unexpected happened today. Apart from the lady in boots, that is. I rediscovered the ability to hit a golf ball over 260 yards with my driver. Now all I have to do is rediscover the rest of the game as well.

 

Photos? Oh yes, WD seen through the bridge, but further on than last time.

The sun is responsible for the apparently one legged grain wagons. In the next picture, it is joined by 60111, which is ready for the off.

 

 

[great northern]

Ok, if this sleeper thing is to be pursued, I have a choice of two trains. One is the 7.30pm FO KX - Aberdeen, which had two SLSTP, shown as having 22 berths. I believe they were Thompsons to Dia 368. There was also one SLF, shown as 10 berths, and 35  tons weight. All the Gresley diagrams I can find are heavier than that.

 

The other is the 7.45 SX to Aberdeen and Elgin. Two 22 berth SLSTP again, plus two SLF shown as 43 tons weight and 10 berths. Again, I can't identify a diagram for that. Fridays only there were two SLS, but that puts the train up to 14 cars, and I can't find room for that kind of length, so it would be another weekday.

 

Any help in getting a correct identification would be most welcome.

[St Enodoc]

Didn't expect anything else from you lot. :nono:

You set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down.

[thegreenhowards]

Ok, if this sleeper thing is to be pursued, I have a choice of two trains. One is the 7.30pm FO KX - Aberdeen, which had two SLSTP, shown as having 22 berths. I believe they were Thompsons to Dia 368. There was also one SLF, shown as 10 berths, and 35  tons weight. All the Gresley diagrams I can find are heavier than that.

 

The other is the 7.45 SX to Aberdeen and Elgin. Two 22 berth SLSTP again, plus two SLF shown as 43 tons weight and 10 berths. Again, I can't identify a diagram for that. Fridays only there were two SLS, but that puts the train up to 14 cars, and I can't find room for that kind of length, so it would be another weekday.

 

Any help in getting a correct identification would be most welcome.

Gilbert,

 

I’m glad your coachaholic tendencies have been awakened! I agree about the d.368s. I think the 43 ton SLFs are Gresleys to d.157 (as mine above) or d.227 (which is much more difficult because it has even spacing of the windows for the berths unlike the Kirk donor). I don’t know about the 35ton car. I initially thought of the 61ft Gresley SLF (as per Hornby main range and Kirk) but that is 38 tons I believe.

 

I’m sure your detective abilities will track down the correct diagrams fairly quickly - happy researching!

 

Andy

[great northern]

Gilbert,

 

I’m glad your coachaholic tendencies have been awakened! I agree about the d.368s. I think the 43 ton SLFs are Gresleys to d.157 (as mine above) or d.227 (which is much more difficult because it has even spacing of the windows for the berths unlike the Kirk donor). I don’t know about the 35ton car. I initially thought of the 61ft Gresley SLF (as per Hornby main range and Kirk) but that is 38 tons I believe.

 

I’m sure your detective abilities will track down the correct diagrams fairly quickly - happy researching!

 

Andy

One can never discount the possibility of a typo in the official records. I've already found a few, so I may be about to look for something that didn't exist. I shall have some fun trying though.

[great northern]

A few chores to do, after which I shall enjoy another lovely day, some of which I shall spend in the company of the railway. First though, one more look at the WD on the Down slow.

and then a photo I took mainly to identify the cosmetic work needed on the area which goes round the bend.

not too onerous, I think. Time to get on with it.

[great northern]

That research didn't take long. I have gone through all the formations in the 1958 book, and there is no trace of any other SLF with ten berths and 35 tons weight. There are however plenty of SLS shown as 35 tons weight. They are to Dia 95 and 109, and Harris shows drawings which confirm that. It seems therefore that either this car in the 7.30 was a SLS, in which case there was no first class sleeping car in the formation, or that it was indeed an SLF, and some bored and tired clerk who was getting sick of doing all that typing lost concentration and typed the wrong weight.

 

I favour the latter explanation, but would be happy to stand corrected if anyone thinks I am wrong. Time for a cup of tea, after which theory will cease, and practical matters will take over.

[great northern]

More coal tonight,9F hauled this time. It is first seen emerging from under the roof.

and then not long afterwards from under the bridge.

 

I'm still thinking about sleeping cars.

[davidw]

More coal tonight,9F hauled this time. It is first seen emerging from under the roof.

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and then not long afterwards from under the bridge.

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I'm still thinking about sleeping cars.

I'll be interested in how that developes

[great northern]

I'll be interested in how that developes

That makes two of us, David.

[St Enodoc]

I'm still thinking about sleeping cars.

Why don't you sleep on it?

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

You could always hang them on the back of the coal empties, they were always a bit faster than the loaded ones.

 

manna

[great northern]

Why don't you sleep on it?

OK, done that. What next?

[great northern]

Golf at Rothley this afternoon, but I don't think the trains will be running, and in any event the trees have grown too tall now to allow a good view. Plenty of sun block, I think.

 

Here is a looming 9F.

 

 

which was followed by this J6, on its way to do a day's work in South yard.

 

The fireman got his lamps a bit confused though.

[St Enodoc]

OK, done that. What next?

Umm... dunno.

[great northern]

It was jolly hot. I've strained my back. Enough said. Here is the 5.50 am KX- Grantham, which was recorded as hauled by 60067 on at least three days in summer of 58, so here it is.

Please observe the rail joint in the siding in the foreground. Immaculately straight? Yes, it is, but compare with what the camera alleges it is like in the photo of the 9F above. How does it do this?

 

The next view is one we haven't seen for a while.

No photoshopping on this, by the way.

[great northern]

A close up view of Ladas this morning.

 

Then a couple of under roof attempts. You can't see much on the first one.

 

On the second you can see more, but probably it would be better if you couldn't, as it is a bit blurred.

 

There are one or two sharp passengers though.

[JeffP]

My friend has one of the nameplates from Ladas above his fireplace. He insists on pronouncing it Laid-ass

 

Hates it when I correct him to Lard-Ass.

[jukebox]

It was jolly hot. I've strained my back. Enough said. Here is the 5.50 am KX- Grantham, which was recorded as hauled by 60067 on at least three days in summer of 58, so here it is.

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Please observe the rail joint in the siding in the foreground. Immaculately straight? Yes, it is, but compare with what the camera alleges it is like in the photo of the 9F above. How does it do this?

 

The next view is one we haven't seen for a while.

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No photoshopping on this, by the way.

 

It's not the same joint, is it Gilbert? Count the cribs:

 

 

And there's no fishplates on that errant one...

 

Or am I missing something?

 

Cheers

 

Scott

Edited June 26, 2018 by jukebox

[Bloodnok]

Please observe the rail joint in the siding in the foreground. Immaculately straight? Yes, it is, but compare with what the camera alleges it is like in the photo of the 9F above. How does it do this?

I'm not sure that's the same rail joint in both pictures.

 

Look at the relationship between the joint and the slot cut in the baseboard about six sleepers back between this track and the next one.

 

Now go back and look at the previous photo. The slot isn't six sleepers back -- it's under the tender, about a whole locomotive length further back.

 

It's not the slot that moved, it's the joint. In fact, if you look closely, you can see the perfect joint about level with the front of the tender.

 

Here's a couple of annotated pictures to show what I mean:

 

 

At least ... I think that's the previous photo you were talking about. I apologise if I've got the wrong "previous photo".

[chaz]

Golly - forensics!   

[great northern]

I'm not sure that's the same rail joint in both pictures.

 

Look at the relationship between the joint and the slot cut in the baseboard about six sleepers back between this track and the next one.

 

Now go back and look at the previous photo. The slot isn't six sleepers back -- it's under the tender, about a whole locomotive length further back.

 

It's not the slot that moved, it's the joint. In fact, if you look closely, you can see the perfect joint about level with the front of the tender.

 

Here's a couple of annotated pictures to show what I mean:

 

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At least ... I think that's the previous photo you were talking about. I apologise if I've got the wrong "previous photo".

Seniormomentitis. I asked the doctor about it, but apparently it is incurable. That said, when I went and looked at the other joint again it stiill didn't look like the camera alleges it does. Perhaps my camera used to belong to POTUS, and learned a lot from him.